ChasingBlueSky 0 #1 August 29, 2004 I was watching Clinton on The Daily Show and he mentioned that the same group that is bashing Kerry is the same group that attacked McCain in 2000 towards his war record and what he did as a POW. This was a first for me - is this a well known fact?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #2 August 29, 2004 QuoteI was watching Clinton on The Daily Show and he mentioned that the same group that is bashing Kerry is the same group that attacked McCain in 2000 towards his war record and what he did as a POW. This was a first for me - is this a well known fact? Yes, and the same group that smeared Max Cleland in 2002.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #3 August 29, 2004 Amazing that a group of retired RIVERINE FORCE SAILORS that didn't form an organization until 2004 attacked McCain in 2000, and Cleland in 2002. Sorry, but I'm gonna raise the bullshit flag on this one.... cite?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #4 August 29, 2004 Sounds like an unsubstantiated charge that doesn't get challenged. I don't remember the 'attack' on Max Cleland, but his rant when he delivered the letter on behalf of the Kerry campaign a few days ago qualifies him and Kerry as pieces of shit. Kerry should be pressured to apologize and denounce what Max Cleland said.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #5 August 29, 2004 QuoteAmazing that a group of retired RIVERINE FORCE SAILORS that didn't form an organization until 2004 attacked McCain in 2000, and Cleland in 2002. Sorry, but I'm gonna raise the bullshit flag on this one.... cite? He's talking about the people pulling the strings, not the puppets doing the dance.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #6 August 29, 2004 QuoteHe's talking about the people pulling the strings, not the puppets doing the dance. Thank you for clarifying the fact that it is not the same group, and that dems attack a group of decorated war vets as puppets. Kerry's won't answer the charges from the SBVFT because he would have to admit he lied (even more than he has already had to admit he lied about his viet service). Instead he wants you to accept that all you need to know is who funded them. Very weak position for someone who's actions were deserving of such medals.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #7 August 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteHe's talking about the people pulling the strings, not the puppets doing the dance. Thank you for clarifying the fact that it is not the same group, and that dems attack a group of decorated war vets as puppets. Kerry's won't answer the charges from the SBVFT because he would have to admit he lied (even more than he has already had to admit he lied about his viet service). Instead he wants you to accept that all you need to know is who funded them. Very weak position for someone who's actions were deserving of such medals. One of the SBVFT group has already been exposed as a liar, and many of them as flip-floppers. Why should anyone bother to respond? The string pullers ARE the same people that smeared McCain.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #8 August 29, 2004 You mean the opposites of George Soros, Michael Moore, and the people running the Democratic attack team? Please, by all means, let us know who the members of this cabal is...I'm sure we'd all like to know. I'm sure they'll end up being members of Hillary's "vast, right wing conspiracy"... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #9 August 29, 2004 You lied about the the attacks coming from the same groups, so by your logic, nobody should respond to you, but I will because I don't agree with your logic. http://insider.washingtontimes.com/blog/2004_08_24_archive.php#109337353971627806 Kerry's malleable 'facts' In presidential campaigns, even facts are malleable. Take, for instance, the swift boat story swirling around John Kerry. The saga comes complete with hundreds of facts -- official medal citations, eyewitness accounts, contemporaneous journals. But none of these have led to "the truth." In fact, each has only muddied the murky Mekong Delta water and what happened there some 30 years ago. Major newspapers have unsuccessfully attempted to separate the chaff from the wheat. The Washington Post, for example, headlined its expansive Sunday story: "Swift Boat Accounts Incomplete." Not too helpful for those trying to sort through the mess. The liberal media have fanned out to disprove Kerry's irate comrades and have targeted the financiers of the group (although the media gave other 527s a pass, including MoveOn.org, The Media Fund and ACT, which have spent $63 million to accuse the president of the United States of lying, condoning torture and poisoning pregnant women). As they rail at President Bush over a nonexistent connection between his campaign and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the media ignore the Democratic National Committee's explicit connection with MoveOn.org (the DNC said on its website on May 9, 2003, that "The Democratic Party is partnering with MoveOn.org" and other groups). But while the facts are elusive, one thing is sure: The legs on the swift boat story keep growing. And some facts are emerging. Kerry's camp now says the candidate was not in Cambodia on Christmas 1968 as he has repeatedly claimed (apparently the memory was incorrectly "seared" into Kerry's brain). His own journal includes a lament about coming close to the Cambodian border on his final mission, saying it is "always making one wonder what lay on the other side." Guess he never saw the other side -- or he forgot to write it down when he finally did. Now Kerry's campaign says it is possible the candidate's first Purple Heart was "awarded for unintentional self-inflicted wound," as Matt Drudge reports. Just as Vice President Al Gore was undone by his exaggerations (he claimed to have invented the Internet and that his dog's arthritis medicine cost more than his mother in law's prescription, both of which proved to be false), Mr. Kerry's credibility is on the line. While Mr. Kerry wants to hammer Mr. Bush over the controversial war in Iraq, this election could well be decided by controversy over service in the Vietnam War. And that's a fact. -- Joseph Curl, White House correspondent Also: http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040819-123903-5094r.htmPeople are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #10 August 29, 2004 QuoteYou lied about the the attacks coming from the same groups, CALLING ME A LIAR IS A BLATANT PERSONAL ATTACK. If you want lies, try this: "there is no connection of any kind whatsoever between the campaign and the Swift boat group.", Mark Racicot, Bush Campaign Chairman, right before 2 senior members of the Bush campaign resigned due to their connections to the Swift boat group.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #11 August 29, 2004 QuoteYou mean the opposites of George Soros, Michael Moore, and the people running the Democratic attack team? Please, by all means, let us know who the members of this cabal is...I'm sure we'd all like to know. I'm sure they'll end up being members of Hillary's "vast, right wing conspiracy"... Google on Merrie Spaeth and Bob Perry.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #12 August 29, 2004 Ok, Merrie Spaeth's communications company was contracted to provide media support for "Republicans for Clean Air" (which attacked McCain's environmental policies). Her company is supporting the Swift Boat Vets. She has also donated to the Bush reelection fund. Bob Perry is one of the financers of the Swift Boat Vets and is listed as "one of the top Republican donors in Texas". He is a friend of Karl Rove. OMG, you're right!! TWO PEOPLE WITH NO PLACE IN ADMINISTRATION ARE PULLING ALL THE STRINGS BEHIND THE SWIFT BOATS ATTACK ADS!!!!! I'll say it again... these people are doing nothing different than George Soros / Michael Moore / MoveOn.org. It seems as if you've only got a problem with partisan politics and reporting bias when it goes against your candidate. Where's your vaunted "equality for all"? that you keep trumpeting over? Why aren't you blasting George Soros and Michael Moore for being the string pullers behind the Democrat's "attack machine" Kettle, meet pot.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #13 August 29, 2004 QuoteOk, you're right!! Thanks, I usually am. (Notice use of selective editing, a technique I learned from the Kerry bashers.) Weather's clearing. Off to the DZ, it's been fun...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #14 August 29, 2004 >CALLING ME A LIAR IS A BLATANT PERSONAL ATTACK. Calm down there, John. You did change your statement. Sundevil, you can say he changed his story, you can't call him a liar. Forum rules and all that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 August 29, 2004 Quote(Notice use of selective editing, a technique I learned from the Kerry bashers.) Weather's clearing. Off to the DZ, it's been fun... That we learned from Grandmasters Clinton and Moore, if we learned it at all... Have some good jumps!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #16 August 29, 2004 Quote>CALLING ME A LIAR IS A BLATANT PERSONAL ATTACK. Calm down there, John. You did change your statement. . Spaeth Communications is the group behind the 2000 and 2004 smear campaigns. the first post was about the group behind the attacks. i see no change in the message. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #17 August 29, 2004 QuoteCALLING ME A LIAR IS A BLATANT PERSONAL ATTACK. If I said you were just like kerry would you take that as a personal attack? If you didn't lie, maybe you just flip-floped Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #18 August 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteCALLING ME A LIAR IS A BLATANT PERSONAL ATTACK. If I said you were just like kerry would you take that as a personal attack? If you didn't lie, maybe you just flip-floped Hold on as moment here. ChasingBS started this thread with a comment about the groups making the attacks. I agreed with him in my 1st reply and subsequently named such a group, Spaeth Communications, which is a common factor in the McCain and Kerry smears (there are other common factors, such as Karl Rove). Their tactic is to stay in the background and find a "front" for their activities, such as SBVFT. I suppose you still think SBVFT is a bunch of civic minded vets acting independently of the Bush campaign. Bwahahahah! Wanna buy a bridge in Brooklyn? PS it was only last week you told us that you post stuff knowing it to be untrue, for "amusement".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #19 August 30, 2004 Nothing illegal has been done (despite claims of 'connections' that are not illegal) by the Repubs, the chairman of the Fed Election Commission has been interviewed by Brit Hume, and he concurs. edit to add the link, so you can stop presuming to know what is illegal: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,130046,00.html However, the Dems have admitted wrongdoing. I guess you missed this part from the Washington times article I posted about the DNC admitting their 'partnering' with MoveOn.org. QuoteAs they rail at President Bush over a nonexistent connection between his campaign and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the media ignore the Democratic National Committee's explicit connection with MoveOn.org (the DNC said on its website on May 9, 2003, that "The Democratic Party is partnering with MoveOn.org" and other groups). edit- I apologize for the personal attack. I will use gentler language in the future.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #20 August 30, 2004 I'm still calling you out to tell us how you can be so concerned about the people held in Cuba when your own candidate has admitted to raping, murdering and maiming innocents. Tell us John or is this a flip flop too???????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #21 August 30, 2004 No, it is self professed mental superiority"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #22 August 30, 2004 QuoteI'm still calling you out to tell us how you can be so concerned about the people held in Cuba when your own candidate has admitted to raping, murdering and maiming innocents. Tell us John or is this a flip flop too???????? I wonder why Nixon didn't have the protesters arrested for war crimes. He tried to discredit them in every way imaginable. Maybe he knew something that you don't - he was a tricky guy, that Nixon. Anyhow, report your evidence to your local US Attorney in Tampa. He is a GOP appointee so he'll be sympathetic to your case. He will bring an indictment based on your evidence and Kerry and 10,000 other Vietnam vets will be arrested and put on trial. PS it was only last week you told us that you post stuff knowing it to be untrue, for "amusement".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #23 August 30, 2004 QuoteNothing illegal has been done (... Who said anything about illegal? Not me, not ChasingBS. This thread started with the (true) statement that those responsible for the attacks on Kerry are the same as those who attacked McCain. And they are. And they lie about it: "There is no connection of any kind whatsoever between the campaign and the Swift boat group.", Mark Racicot, Bush Campaign Chairman. Followed by the resignation of senior Bush Campaign staffers for providing advise to the SBVs after they were found out. When it suits their purposes, the CHICKENHAWKS in this administration have no hesitation in smearing decorated war veterans. SHAME ON BUSH!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #24 August 30, 2004 QuoteCalm down there, John. You did change your statement. Sundevil, you can say he changed his story, you can't call him a liar. Forum rules and all that. Can we call John a flip-flopper like his canidate?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 August 30, 2004 QuoteWhen it suits their purposes, the CHICKENHAWKS DEMOCRATS in this administration CAMPAIGN have no hesitation in smearing decorated war veterans. SHAME ON BUSH KERRY! There, fixed that for ya... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
