Steel 0 #1 August 26, 2004 I don't understand how fur coat manufactures can stay in business. I think the word is out about the inhumane process of making a fur coat is. But somehow there are enough people who buy these coats to keep up the demand for them. Yes I boycott fur, veal and any product made by a lefty so extreme that his or her rehtoric offends me.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #2 August 26, 2004 Including leather? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #3 August 26, 2004 QuoteIncluding leather? There is a huge difference in the process of making a leather jacket. (a lot less animals are killed per jacket / coat, they don't have to be tortured for the skin, and most of they time the are killed for food anyway.) so no leather is not included.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 August 26, 2004 Leather is a by-product of making hamburgers (unless you buy McDonald's in which case they -are- the product). In other words, you were going to kill the cattle for meat anyway, so it would just be silly to discard the skins. Fur, is different -- especially when it comes from animals that are endangered (or dalmations).quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #5 August 26, 2004 Sure, I'd buy fur, if I needed it - although I can't imagine a situation where fur would be better than goretex or poly insulation. Fur is an animal product, not much different (in my mind) than leather or meat. Animals that produce any of these products can be treated well or poorly before they're slaughtered, and I try to buy these products (and also milk, eggs etc) from companies that treat their animals well. It seems to me like supporting companies who treat animals well gives all other companies a monetary incentive to do better by their herds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 August 26, 2004 Yes, but Calfskin leather is pretty much just used for leather. The animal is killed before it is large enough to warrent enough meat for a good butchering. A lot of leather products are starting to migrate towards calfskin since its a softer leather.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #7 August 26, 2004 QuoteYes, but Calfskin leather is pretty much just used for leather. The animal is killed before it is large enough to warrent enough meat for a good butchering. A lot of leather products are starting to migrate towards calfskin since its a softer leather. Well then I guess that could be something else that I won't buy. Ofcourse that is assuming that everything you're saying is accurate.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #8 August 26, 2004 ***Yes, but Calfskin leather is pretty much just used for leather. The animal is killed before it is large enough to warrent enough meat for a good butchering. yummm........veal........Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #9 August 26, 2004 Only if I could wear alligator boots, eat a veal cutlet and watch a cock-fight! ---------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #10 August 26, 2004 QuoteSure, I'd buy fur, if I needed it - although I can't imagine a situation where fur would be better than goretex or poly insulation. Fur is an animal product, not much different (in my mind) than leather or meat. Animals that produce any of these products can be treated well or poorly before they're slaughtered, and I try to buy these products (and also milk, eggs etc) from companies that treat their animals well. It seems to me like supporting companies who treat animals well gives all other companies a monetary incentive to do better by their herds. Doesn't the manufacture of synthetic material cause polution?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #11 August 26, 2004 QuoteOnly if I could wear alligator boots, eat a veal cutlet and watch a cock-fight! Right on! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #12 August 26, 2004 I personally would not support the fur industry. I feel it is an unnecessary "luxury.". My mom has some minks and some sables from years ago. But she's from the generation that didn't think there was anything wrong with it. She doesn't wear them anymore. I think they are in storage somewhere. As for leather, I'm guilty. But, I always thought leather came from animals that were butchered for meat. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #13 August 27, 2004 Yes, sure, I'd wear fur. I think fur is cool. I'm not crazy about animals being raised and herded for it, though. I'd wear fur of an animal if I had hunted and killed it. That's a fitting tribute to the animal's grace and majesty, and its sacrifice to provide food clothing for me. If those are the uses to which we put animals we kill, we are no less noble for it than the lion that takes down the impala to use it to sustain life. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #14 August 27, 2004 QuoteYes, but Calfskin leather is pretty much just used for leather. The animal is killed before it is large enough to warrent enough meat for a good butchering. A lot of leather products are starting to migrate towards calfskin since its a softer leather. I don't even like soft leather. I like tough, durable leather. Go figure. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #15 August 27, 2004 Quote***Yes, but Calfskin leather is pretty much just used for leather. The animal is killed before it is large enough to warrent enough meat for a good butchering. yummm........veal........ Homer Simpson does his "mmmm" quotes, and usually they're really funny and sometimes quite inventive. Like when he tilts his chair back in self-satisfaction, and says, "Mmmmm...slanty!" I have always thought that he should eat veal sometime and say, "Mmmmm...mistreated beef! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mardigrasbob 0 #16 August 27, 2004 There wasa movie w/ Tim Hutton and Valerie Bertinelli(VanHalen). After-school special I think. He's a new student and hunter. She rebukes him for killing Bambi. He then explains, very graphically, how the calf was prepared and slaughtered to make the veal cutlett she was enjoying at that moment. It was very cool. Anybody remember it? ------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #17 August 27, 2004 I don't have any more objection to raising animals for fur than to raising chickens to eat. Same thing to me. More mink stew, anyone? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #18 August 27, 2004 I wonder what Steve thinks: People Eating Tasty Animals -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #19 August 27, 2004 Quote I don't have any more objection to raising animals for fur than to raising chickens to eat. Same thing to me. More mink stew, anyone? Oooh! Save me a scent gland!! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #20 August 27, 2004 Quote I don't have any more objection to raising animals for fur than to raising chickens to eat. Same thing to me. More mink stew, anyone? I agree but I'll pass on the mink stew. People forget that minks are just rats with nice fur. Unless your a vegan, you've got no right to get all uppity about fur. (For the record, I think vegans are a bit wacked)illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #21 August 27, 2004 Quote I don't understand how fur coat manufactures can stay in business. I think the word is out about the inhumane process of making a fur coat is. But somehow there are enough people who buy these coats to keep up the demand for them. Yes I boycott fur, veal and any product made by a lefty so extreme that his or her rehtoric offends me No and Yes. I never bought by myself, just choose and my loving man buys . And then I wear it. But there should be much more supervision over farms keeping animals for breeding. These animals have to be treated in an absolute proper way until their last moment. Same way like cattle on alpine meadows eating with mouth full of fresh green grass, poultry running around free... There will always be an industry on fur, leather etc. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #22 August 27, 2004 Quote any product made by a lefty so extreme . wow you must spend days in stores checking the political affiliations of manufacturers... and their board of directors, CEOs, employees etc.... sometimes the rethoric here is pretty deep too, particulary from those who 'protest to much' .... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #23 August 27, 2004 Siberians have been wearing fur for centuries, and still do today, and no one has complained. What about old used fur coats etc. that have been around for decades? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #24 August 27, 2004 QuoteSiberians have been wearing fur for centuries, and still do today, and no one has complained. Probably because those with the most right to complain don't speak and are dead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #25 August 27, 2004 There's an option missingfrom the poll: Hell yes. Have done. Very warm and snuggly Sorry to say such a politically incorect thing, but for me, there's some climates where you just can't beat fur for both suitability AND availability. In the serious cold (Siberia in winter), I'm sorry, but artificial fleeces, Goretex and Outlast just aint fur. Moral: If you want to survive in the climate... Dress like a native! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
