base283 0 #26 August 29, 2004 I have to make an unfortunate declaration on the people who agree with "hot saucing". you are a lazy fuck.Why can´t you take the time to explain, communicate to your child the reason of why they should not behave this way? Maybe there is no logic in your motives and the child can see this so you have to go to the "because I said so" mode. I can´t envision ever causing pain to my child. You fuckers are way sick. granted that it is possibly a factor of society. But you are are a moron if you beleive this is acceptable. I rest assured that only the morons will flame me. bring it on! maybe you can teach me something. Like how to inflict pain responsibly. take care, space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #27 August 29, 2004 >I can´t envision ever causing pain to my child. The only case I could ever envision doing such a thing was to prevent greater harm. If we lived in an apartment complex near a busy highway, and he got free and ran into the highway, I could see spanking him because that is one thing he simply cannot be allowed to do - and at two years old, they do not yet have the ability to reason, so you can't just explain it to them. I only got spanked once, when I threw my one-year-old sister in the fireplace (I was three.) It was a good call on my parents part; that was something that could not be repeated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #28 August 30, 2004 QuoteI have to make an unfortunate declaration on the people who agree with "hot saucing". you are a lazy fuck. But you are are a moron if you beleive this is acceptable. I rest assured that only the morons will flame me. Flame you? I'm waiting for a moderator to BAN you. I'm one of the lazy fucks you called a moron. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #29 August 30, 2004 >I'm waiting for a moderator to BAN you. I'm one of the lazy fucks you >called a moron. You have called democrats far worse, and there are many people on this board who are democrats. You can attack any group, you just can't attack the _people_ on this board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #30 August 30, 2004 QuoteI have a 4 yr old that I am armchair quarterbacking somewhat. But actually my experience comes from being a child and retaining my childlike characteristics for many years. I am a veteran in these aspects. People are motivated by two things...pleasure and pain. Just as telling your kid that they can have ice cream if they behave the other side of that is spankings or some other pain experience. It can be a "time out" up to a spanking, but its still all pain. QuoteShould one not start by regressing to the point where communication failed, Find a better way to communicate the theme? What is that old adage, If the student didn´t learn, then the teacher didn´t teach? At which level does one stop at? Shall one continue until the point is made, over a traumatized child? It has happened many times that the parent has allowed the child to up the level to one that is not acceptable by society´s standard (ie “child shaking”). Oh communication should be tried first, but it will not always work. Empty threats also don't work. Quote Do you mean that “all attempts that one feels like taking”? Different strategies are as infinite as the Universe, if one strategy dosn´t work, that means infinite – 1 and that = infinity. Cooperation seems to be my tool for discipline. No one wins in a compromise. So you let the kid have his way? So maybe he can't say "Fuck" in public, but its OK at home? QuoteI think it´s a common response to an out of control parent. And I think its a common response to an out of control child. QuoteI can see that it is difficult to maintain a high level of communication with the child whilst maintaining a job away from the household Really? Then why has spankings been less and less approved? Back 50 years ago a smart assed kid was taken behind the woodshed. QuoteOf course not, That theme is so ironic. A child is going to be a child, and is going to do things learned from/through the parents that is forbidden to them. This is part of growing. Better to give them the definitions of the words and the meanings it amplifies when they use it in reference to something and explain one´s own reason to violate this taboo logically (without lying). The child will play games to explore the parents´ limits. It is up to the parent´s (IMHO) to not play the game but rather understand the game and give the child what answer the child is searching for. So you are going to explain to a 4 year old what "fuck" is?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #31 August 30, 2004 QuoteI have to make an unfortunate declaration on the people who agree with "hot saucing". you are a lazy fuck Well thats your opinion...Good for me I don't give a fuck about your opinion huh? QuoteWhy can´t you take the time to explain, communicate to your child the reason of why they should not behave this way? I feel sorry for the group of morons that think you can reason with a 4 year old like he is an adult. QuoteBut you are are a moron if you beleive this is acceptable And you are a moron if you think you can reason with a child like he is an adult. Notice Bill I attacked a group, not a person. Just like they did."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #32 August 30, 2004 >And you are a moron . . . >Notice Bill I attacked a group, not a person. Just like they did. Sorry, Ron. Not OK. Your one warning in this thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #33 August 30, 2004 Quote>And you are a moron . . . >Notice Bill I attacked a group, not a person. Just like they did. Sorry, Ron. Not OK. Your one warning in this thread. You are really going to have to explain why THEY can attack a group, and I can't... Why did I get warned and they didn't? Quoteyou are a lazy fuck.....You fuckers are way sick......But you are are a moron if you beleive this is acceptable..... rest assured that only the morons will flame me. All of that is NOT a personal attack?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #34 August 30, 2004 >You are really going to have to explain why THEY can attack a group, and I can't... If your post contains the words "you are a moron" "go fuck yourself" "you are an asshole" it's a good guess that you're going to have a problem with it, no matter how you qualify it. >All of that is NOT a personal attack? It is an attack on people who hot-sauce their kids; that's legal here (although he expressed it in a very uncivil manner, which I warned him about.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #35 August 30, 2004 QuoteIt is an attack on people who hot-sauce their kids; that's legal here Really? read it again. QuoteI have to make an unfortunate declaration on the people who agree with "hot saucing" He says People who agree, thats not people who do it. you are a lazy fuck. who is the lazy fuck? The people who agree. Why can´t you take the time to explain, communicate to your child the reason of why they should not behave this way? Maybe there is no logic in your motives and the child can see this so you have to go to the "because I said so" mode. I can´t envision ever causing pain to my child. You fuckers are way sick. which fuckers are way sick? granted that it is possibly a factor of society. But you are are a moron if you beleive this is acceptable. I rest assured that only the morons will flame me. What only the people who hot sauce their kids will read this post and have an opinion? bring it on! maybe you can teach me something. Like how to inflict pain responsibly. take care, nice try Bill, but it was a clear personal attack...But only I get warned when I do the same? Bias Bill, flat out bias."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #36 August 30, 2004 >Bias Bill, flat out bias. Whatever, Ron. Try rec.skydiving if this place is so hideously unfair to you, and we won't let you get your licks in. In the meantime, enjoy a little vacation from this mean and unfair place. From the forum rules: ---------------------------- Any abuse directed at our volunteer moderation team in the forums or via private message, including defying the moderators to suspend or ban a member, may result in an immediate suspension or ban. ---------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #37 August 31, 2004 Quote>I'm waiting for a moderator to BAN you. I'm one of the lazy fucks you >called a moron. You have called democrats far worse, and there are many people on this board who are democrats. You can attack any group, you just can't attack the _people_ on this board. The "democrats" I've called "far worse" have been the "Democrats" who run the national political machine, not the "end-user" democrats who are posting here. When I say, "those shit-eating, lying democrat scumbags" I typically am referring to Kerry, Schumer, Feinstein, etc. and you know it. This is different. It was clearly aimed at people on this board who fit the profile he had specified. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #38 August 31, 2004 Quote>I'm waiting for a moderator to BAN you. I'm one of the lazy fucks you >called a moron. You have called democrats far worse, and there are many people on this board who are democrats. You can attack any group, you just can't attack the _people_ on this board. Here's what he said (in part): "I have to make an unfortunate declaration on the people who agree with "hot saucing". you are a lazy fuck." Bill, in the context of this thread, this is the same as saying, "Jeff, you and the others who have expressed this opinion here in this thread are lazy fucks." You are drawing a distinction based on the forum rules that is not really there. He made a roundabout effort to pretend to be making a general statement instead of a targeted attack, but many of us are not fooled. How about if I made a similar pronunciation about gun control supporters?: "I have to make an unfortunate declaration on the people who agree with "gun control": you are a stupid, lying piece of shit." You're telling me that the people who had just posted previously in support of gun control have not been attacked? Come off it. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #39 August 31, 2004 Quote I have to make an unfortunate declaration on the people who agree with "hot saucing". you are a lazy fuck.Why can´t you take the time to explain, communicate to your child the reason of why they should not behave this way? Maybe there is no logic in your motives and the child can see this so you have to go to the "because I said so" mode. I can´t envision ever causing pain to my child. You fuckers are way sick. granted that it is possibly a factor of society. But you are are a moron if you beleive this is acceptable. I rest assured that only the morons will flame me. bring it on! maybe you can teach me something. Like how to inflict pain responsibly. "Hot saucing" itself sounds horrible. Just the imagination to use it as an education tool for a child, even a small one, is far beyond my personal imagination. After reading the posts on that thread there is something else shocking as well: You nearly were the only one refusing such a damnable treatment with burning words! What do I have to conclude from that? Don't understand.... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #40 August 31, 2004 We used to do this to each other at the team table in college, mostly to the freshmen players. Once someone even put it in someone's eyes. He didn't mean to, he was about to get a double-tabasco-fishhook and only saw the right hand. He jerked to the left with open eyes and got the full douse of tabasco in his eye."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base283 0 #41 August 31, 2004 Hi Christel, I do wish to apologize to the people who do what I consider abusing children, for making a blanket statement in such a rude form, I was wrong. It was a definite lack of communication. I was a "lazy fark" I became the very thing I hated. More reason against it. Strangely enough, ALL who were hostile (including I), are ones who admitted that similar "abuses" had occurred to them..... i do consider the infliction of pain, abuse. On a final note, in my quote of "Cooperation seems to be my tool for discipline.", it does not mean compromise. It means my cooperation with things the child wants to do, as in going to the zoo, playing with dolls, or whatever the child wants to do at that moment. Maybe this is abuse, I am not sure. But compromise was definitely not what I meant. Take care and let all of us talk about the cause and effect of these abuses. space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
