skydyvr 0 #76 August 27, 2004 QuoteLet's see, one is in power now, and has yet to admit fault. Say again? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #77 August 27, 2004 QuoteWhen he found out that he, and others, were in fact violating the Geneva conventions he spoke out about it, which is what he is usually criticized for. So when Kerry said: "yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare." We're supposed to believe he was just too stupid to understand that all that stuff was not within the the Geneva rules until someone told him later? Hey, I'll buy that. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #78 August 27, 2004 QuoteWeren't you the same guy screaming earlier that nobody could prove Bush was a criminal. I am surprised you are not still busy trying to remove a foot. Wh have PROOF Kerry commited war crimes...I would say testifying in front of CONGRESS is pretty good proof...Unless he lied... You and your group have no proof of GWB going AWOL...None...So you really should just drop it..You are starting to look like a fool."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #79 August 27, 2004 QuoteWell, Ron brought up the topic of PROOF. Proof is not established by hearsay or old videos or internet links to blogs. Ron claims that Kerry is a war criminal and I claim to have just as much actual proof that Bush was AWOL I hvae video, audio, and transcripts of Kerry himself saying he commited war crimes IN FRONT OF CONGRESS. You have Moore. I win."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #80 August 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteThey are fighting a war and keeping the Genevia Convention in tact while doing it. What? Then why do they bend over backwards to make sure that prisoners are not classified so that they are covered by the Geneva convention? I would encourage you to read the definition of "legal combatants" as described in the Geneva Convention. After reading, you MAY want to go back and edit your post.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #81 August 27, 2004 QuoteWh have PROOF Kerry commited war crimes...I would say testifying in front of CONGRESS is pretty good proof...Unless he lied... You and your group have no proof of GWB going AWOL...None...So you really should just drop it..You are starting to look like a fool. It is a well known fact that Bush got convicted for DUI in a court of law in the USA. That makes him a criminal. Now, which court of law did you say Kerry got convicted in? Maybe that foot should go back in your mouth now..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #82 August 27, 2004 QuoteIt is a well known fact that Bush got convicted for DUI in a court of law in the USA. That makes him a criminal. Yep. QuoteNow, which court of law did you say Kerry got convicted in? None, but that still does not change the fact he ADMITTED to war crimes. That he COMMITED war crimes, and ADMITTED to them makes him a criminal...Just not convicted. QuoteMaybe that foot should go back in your mouth now..... Nope, but maybe you should open your eyse to reality every once and a while."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,209 #83 August 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteWell, Ron brought up the topic of PROOF. Proof is not established by hearsay or old videos or internet links to blogs. Ron claims that Kerry is a war criminal and I claim to have just as much actual proof that Bush was AWOL I hvae video, audio, and transcripts of Kerry himself saying he commited war crimes IN FRONT OF CONGRESS. You have Moore. I win. No Ron, all you have is selectively edited snippets. You are no better than Moore. To be guilty of a crime in the US of A you need to be convicted in a court of law or court martial. Of the candidates, only Bush fits that definition.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,209 #84 August 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteLet's see, one is in power now, and has yet to admit fault. Say again? Cool! PhillyKev embarrassed Bush into admitting fault! It only took GWB 18 months to figure out what some of us were saying on day 1 of the war.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #85 August 27, 2004 Quoteand ADMITTED to them makes him a criminal...Just not convicted. If he hasn't been convicted, he is innocent by definition. Isn't that how your justice system works? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #86 August 27, 2004 QuoteNo Ron, all you have is selectively edited snippets. You are no better than Moore. All I have posted is a select section...But that section is not edited to change CONTENT...So I am not like Moore. Also I have read the ENTIRE transcript, and watched the ENTIRE speech on TV. Again the snipet I have is not taken out of context. QuoteTo be guilty of a crime in the US of A you need to be convicted in a court of law or court martial No, you can be guilty and not convicted. One case is where you ADMIT to CONGRESS you did something, but no one files charges."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #87 August 27, 2004 QuoteIf he hasn't been convicted, he is innocent by definition. Isn't that how your justice system works? I never said he was CONVICTED...maybe you should read better. I said he ADMITTED to comiting war crimes...And he did. I said he COMMITTED war crimes...Which he SAID he did. He commited and admitted to war crimes...Not they guy I want in the white house."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #88 August 27, 2004 QuoteI never said he was CONVICTED...maybe you should read better. I said he ADMITTED to comiting war crimes...And he did. I said he COMMITTED war crimes...Which he SAID he did. He commited and admitted to war crimes...Not they guy I want in the white house. Just look at the statement you made in the title of the thread. As proof you bring up things he said. Yet, he can't really be a criminal until he has been convicted of such. You stated he was a criminal. period. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #89 August 27, 2004 QuoteJust look at the statement you made in the title of the thread. As proof you bring up things he said. Yet, he can't really be a criminal until he has been convicted of such. I can call him a criminal if he admits to it. How hard is that for you to grasp? He ADMITTED to COMITTING war crimes... He SAID he DID. How does that NOT make him a criminal. He just was not charged or convicted. But HE ADMITTED to it. Jeeze, quit trying to dodge the facts."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,209 #90 August 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteJust look at the statement you made in the title of the thread. As proof you bring up things he said. Yet, he can't really be a criminal until he has been convicted of such. I can call him a criminal if he admits to it. How hard is that for you to grasp? He ADMITTED to COMITTING war crimes... He SAID he DID. How does that NOT make him a criminal. He just was not charged or convicted. But HE ADMITTED to it. Jeeze, quit trying to dodge the facts. Bush admits to running a concentration camp in Cuba that the Red Cross has stated is in violation of the Geneva Conventions. So by your reasoning, BUSH IS A WAR CRIMINAL.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #91 August 27, 2004 QuoteBush admits to running a concentration camp in Cuba that the Red Cross has stated is in violation of the Geneva Conventions. So by your reasoning, BUSH IS A WAR CRIMINAL. Nice try, but no...The US does have a camp in Cuba. The Red Cross said it is in violation. But that does not mean Bush has said he runs a camp in violation of the Geneva Conventions. Your pal Kerry admitted to war crimes."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,209 #92 August 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteBush admits to running a concentration camp in Cuba that the Red Cross has stated is in violation of the Geneva Conventions. So by your reasoning, BUSH IS A WAR CRIMINAL. Nice try, but no...The US does have a camp in Cuba. The Red Cross said it is in violation. But that does not mean Bush has said he runs a camp in violation of the Geneva Conventions. Your pal Kerry admitted to war crimes. Ahem. The ICRC is the organization delegated in the Geneva Conventions to monitor compliance with those Conventions. John Kerry is not given that authority. Neither are you. If ICRC says there is a violation, then that's prima facie evidence of a violation. If John Kerry says there is a violation, that carries no more weight than if I claim to be the reincarnation of Buddha. Kerry was never charged with a crime. Kerry was never convicted of a crime. Kerry has not been accused of a crime by any competent body. Bush was charged with a crime. Bush was convicted of a crime. The Bush administration has been accused by the ICRC of violating the Geneva Conventions.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #93 August 27, 2004 QuoteKerry was never charged with a crime. Kerry was never convicted of a crime. Kerry has not been accused of a crime by any competent body. Kerry ADMITTED it...How can you glaze over that? Maybe he lied?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,209 #94 August 27, 2004 Bush was charged with a crime. Bush was convicted of a crime. The Bush administration has been accused by the ICRC of violating the Geneva Conventions and by the US Supreme Court of violating the US Constitution in it's handling of prisoners. How can you glaze over that?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #95 August 27, 2004 QuoteBush was charged with a crime. Bush was convicted of a crime. The Bush administration has been accused by the ICRC of violating the Geneva Conventions and by the US Supreme Court of violating the US Constitution in it's handling of prisoners. How can you glaze over that? Simple. Unlike you I'm not saying bush never drove drunk. You however, refuse to believe Kerry when he himself admits to commiting war crimes."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,209 #96 August 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteBush was charged with a crime. Bush was convicted of a crime. The Bush administration has been accused by the ICRC of violating the Geneva Conventions and by the US Supreme Court of violating the US Constitution in it's handling of prisoners. How can you glaze over that? Simple. Unlike you I'm not saying bush never drove drunk. You however, refuse to believe Kerry when he himself admits to commiting war crimes. Are you saying Bush is not a war criminal when the ICRC accuses his administration of GC violations?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #97 August 27, 2004 QuoteAre you saying Bush is not a war criminal when the ICRC accuses his administration of GC violations? Thats pretty much what I am saying....I mean just cause someone under Bush might be violating the GC...That does not mean Bush is. Now if you can find me proof that Bush did it...Ya know like him admiting to it in front of Congress, being found guilty ,ect...Then we can talk. However we know Kerry did violate the GC...Since he TOLD US HE DID. Quoteand I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions How can you claim he didn't when he SAID he did?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #98 August 27, 2004 You ALL are pathetic. No one is listening to anyone. You actually think this is a valuable use of your time? No one is convinced of anything here. Everyone is going back and forth with the "yah and" just repeating what they've typed over and fucking over. I've had to seperate my two step kids for this behaviour and teach them how to listen to each other and grow up. There is ZERO intellectual exchange here. I don't know why I really bothered glancing at the last 10 posts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #99 August 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteBush was charged with a crime. Bush was convicted of a crime. The Bush administration has been accused by the ICRC of violating the Geneva Conventions and by the US Supreme Court of violating the US Constitution in it's handling of prisoners. How can you glaze over that? Simple. Unlike you I'm not saying bush never drove drunk. You however, refuse to believe Kerry when he himself admits to commiting war crimes. Are you saying Bush is not a war criminal when the ICRC accuses his administration of GC violations? Lets try this - Please answer the following before asking your own questions. 1) Did Kerry admit to committing war crimes? 2) Did he admit this in frot of the general public?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #100 August 27, 2004 QuoteI've had to seperate my two step kids for this behaviour and teach them how to listen to each other and grow up. So, you want to be a greenie in this forum? You've got relevant experience.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
