Ron 10 #1 August 26, 2004 and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions Quote www.streamload.com/jmstein77/kerry2.mp3"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #2 August 26, 2004 Yep. Because he was doing what he was told to do, what everyone else was doing, what he thought he was supposed to do, and what he thought was legal to do. When he found out that he, and others, were in fact violating the Geneva conventions he spoke out about it, which is what he is usually criticized for. So since you claim he lied about his vietnam service, is he lying about this too? Or do you believe him when it suits your purpose? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #3 August 26, 2004 QuoteYep. Because he was doing what he was told to do, what everyone else was doing, what he thought he was supposed to do, and what he thought was legal to do. He knew it was not legal....He was an officer, and should have known better. You will even defend a guy that admits he is a crminal?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #4 August 26, 2004 And you defend a guy who is a war criminal but won't admit it. So I guess we're even. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #5 August 26, 2004 QuoteAnd you defend a guy who is a war criminal but won't admit it. So I guess we're even. No, you can't prove my guy is a criminal....But I posted your guy admitting he is."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #6 August 26, 2004 I know you are but what am I? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #7 August 26, 2004 QuoteI know you are but what am I? You are the guy backing an admitted war criminal."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #8 August 26, 2004 I know you are but what am I? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #9 August 26, 2004 QuoteNo, you can't prove my guy is a criminal Really, then what do you call drunk driving? A civil violation? How about a little coke habit? Snorting coke not a crime in the US? I think you posted in the wrong thread Ron, this should have gone in the American jokes thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #10 August 26, 2004 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know you are but what am I? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are the guy backing an admitted war criminal."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #11 August 26, 2004 You're rubber and I'm glue. Neener neener neener. pbbbbbttttt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #12 August 26, 2004 QuoteReally, then what do you call drunk driving? A civil violation? How about a little coke habit? Snorting coke not a crime in the US? Are you so dense that you can't tell the difference between a guy that MURDERED people, and a guy that drove drunk, or snorted some coke?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #13 August 26, 2004 Kev, Ron, cut it out. This forum has enough pre-adolescent behavior without an endless stream of "I know you are but what am I?"-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #14 August 26, 2004 Sorry, just wanted to demonstrate in simple terms the basic tactics of the current campaign from both sides. Let's have a big hand for Ron for helping in this demonstration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #15 August 26, 2004 QuoteAre you so dense that you can't tell the difference between a guy that MURDERED people, and a guy that drove drunk, or snorted some coke? Criminal is a criminal. You have an alcoholic junky running the show. There is truly something to be proud of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #16 August 26, 2004 QuoteCriminal is a criminal Well I guess we should have capital punishment for jaywalking then. QuoteYou have an alcoholic junky running the show Prove that or do you just like to talk out of your Bum?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #17 August 26, 2004 QuoteCriminal is a criminal. You have an alcoholic junky running the show. There is truly something to be proud of. So, by your definition, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, and anyone else who practiced civil disobedience is no more than "criminal"? I, personally, don't believe in victimless crime laws. I think they ought to be repealed. And, while I'm sure this isn't GWB's take on it, I couldn't care less if someone violates them.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #18 August 26, 2004 QuoteProve that or do you just like to talk out of your Bum? For me, his own actions speak for themselves. I could care less what you think of him. On the capital punishment, no crime should be punished by capital punishment. Justice system has a hard enough time convicting the right people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #19 August 26, 2004 QuoteKev, Ron, cut it out. This forum has enough pre-adolescent behavior without an endless stream of "I know you are but what am I?" But, but....He STARTED it!!!!"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #20 August 26, 2004 QuoteI, personally, don't believe in victimless crime laws. Drunk driving is certainly not a victimless crime law.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #21 August 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteKev, Ron, cut it out. This forum has enough pre-adolescent behavior without an endless stream of "I know you are but what am I?" But, but....He STARTED it!!!! Nuh uh. TOOOOMMMMMMM!!! Ron's touching me!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #22 August 26, 2004 QuoteSo, by your definition, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, and anyone else who practiced civil disobedience is no more than "criminal"? Yes Ghandi accomplished everything in his life by driving drunk and snorting coke. Yes, I get it, Bush deliberately drove drunk to show people something, now if I can only figure out the deeper meaning behind him driving drunk. Comparing Bush to these people is a joke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #23 August 26, 2004 QuoteYes Ghandi accomplished everything in his life by driving drunk and snorting coke. Yes, I get it, Bush deliberately drove drunk to show people something, now if I can only figure out the deeper meaning behind him driving drunk. But YOU said "A Criminal is a Criminal"....Does that only apply when you think it should? QuoteComparing Bush to these people is a joke. As is comparing Bush to Hitler...But your side does it all the time."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #24 August 26, 2004 QuoteComparing Bush to these people is a joke. I agree. I was trying to illustrate that putting victimless cocaine use on a plane with massacring innocent civilians was equally a joke. I've made numerous illegal BASE jumps. By your logic, that puts me on the same level as someone who snorted cocaine, drove drunk, or massacred innocent civilians.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #25 August 26, 2004 QuoteI've made numerous illegal BASE jumps. By your logic, that puts me on the same level as someone who snorted cocaine, drove drunk, or massacred innocent civilians. Trespassing is a crime, one you are comfortable with. By definition it makes you a criminal, obviously also something you seem to be comfortable with. I doubt you care what I think of it though. If I were an American I would be pretty sad that I had to discuss who is a bigger criminal between the two choices for president. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 1 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
PhillyKev 0 #2 August 26, 2004 Yep. Because he was doing what he was told to do, what everyone else was doing, what he thought he was supposed to do, and what he thought was legal to do. When he found out that he, and others, were in fact violating the Geneva conventions he spoke out about it, which is what he is usually criticized for. So since you claim he lied about his vietnam service, is he lying about this too? Or do you believe him when it suits your purpose? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #3 August 26, 2004 QuoteYep. Because he was doing what he was told to do, what everyone else was doing, what he thought he was supposed to do, and what he thought was legal to do. He knew it was not legal....He was an officer, and should have known better. You will even defend a guy that admits he is a crminal?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 August 26, 2004 And you defend a guy who is a war criminal but won't admit it. So I guess we're even. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #5 August 26, 2004 QuoteAnd you defend a guy who is a war criminal but won't admit it. So I guess we're even. No, you can't prove my guy is a criminal....But I posted your guy admitting he is."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #6 August 26, 2004 I know you are but what am I? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #7 August 26, 2004 QuoteI know you are but what am I? You are the guy backing an admitted war criminal."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #8 August 26, 2004 I know you are but what am I? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #9 August 26, 2004 QuoteNo, you can't prove my guy is a criminal Really, then what do you call drunk driving? A civil violation? How about a little coke habit? Snorting coke not a crime in the US? I think you posted in the wrong thread Ron, this should have gone in the American jokes thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #10 August 26, 2004 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know you are but what am I? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are the guy backing an admitted war criminal."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #11 August 26, 2004 You're rubber and I'm glue. Neener neener neener. pbbbbbttttt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #12 August 26, 2004 QuoteReally, then what do you call drunk driving? A civil violation? How about a little coke habit? Snorting coke not a crime in the US? Are you so dense that you can't tell the difference between a guy that MURDERED people, and a guy that drove drunk, or snorted some coke?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #13 August 26, 2004 Kev, Ron, cut it out. This forum has enough pre-adolescent behavior without an endless stream of "I know you are but what am I?"-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #14 August 26, 2004 Sorry, just wanted to demonstrate in simple terms the basic tactics of the current campaign from both sides. Let's have a big hand for Ron for helping in this demonstration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #15 August 26, 2004 QuoteAre you so dense that you can't tell the difference between a guy that MURDERED people, and a guy that drove drunk, or snorted some coke? Criminal is a criminal. You have an alcoholic junky running the show. There is truly something to be proud of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #16 August 26, 2004 QuoteCriminal is a criminal Well I guess we should have capital punishment for jaywalking then. QuoteYou have an alcoholic junky running the show Prove that or do you just like to talk out of your Bum?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #17 August 26, 2004 QuoteCriminal is a criminal. You have an alcoholic junky running the show. There is truly something to be proud of. So, by your definition, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, and anyone else who practiced civil disobedience is no more than "criminal"? I, personally, don't believe in victimless crime laws. I think they ought to be repealed. And, while I'm sure this isn't GWB's take on it, I couldn't care less if someone violates them.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 August 26, 2004 QuoteProve that or do you just like to talk out of your Bum? For me, his own actions speak for themselves. I could care less what you think of him. On the capital punishment, no crime should be punished by capital punishment. Justice system has a hard enough time convicting the right people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #19 August 26, 2004 QuoteKev, Ron, cut it out. This forum has enough pre-adolescent behavior without an endless stream of "I know you are but what am I?" But, but....He STARTED it!!!!"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #20 August 26, 2004 QuoteI, personally, don't believe in victimless crime laws. Drunk driving is certainly not a victimless crime law.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #21 August 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteKev, Ron, cut it out. This forum has enough pre-adolescent behavior without an endless stream of "I know you are but what am I?" But, but....He STARTED it!!!! Nuh uh. TOOOOMMMMMMM!!! Ron's touching me!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #22 August 26, 2004 QuoteSo, by your definition, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, and anyone else who practiced civil disobedience is no more than "criminal"? Yes Ghandi accomplished everything in his life by driving drunk and snorting coke. Yes, I get it, Bush deliberately drove drunk to show people something, now if I can only figure out the deeper meaning behind him driving drunk. Comparing Bush to these people is a joke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #23 August 26, 2004 QuoteYes Ghandi accomplished everything in his life by driving drunk and snorting coke. Yes, I get it, Bush deliberately drove drunk to show people something, now if I can only figure out the deeper meaning behind him driving drunk. But YOU said "A Criminal is a Criminal"....Does that only apply when you think it should? QuoteComparing Bush to these people is a joke. As is comparing Bush to Hitler...But your side does it all the time."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #24 August 26, 2004 QuoteComparing Bush to these people is a joke. I agree. I was trying to illustrate that putting victimless cocaine use on a plane with massacring innocent civilians was equally a joke. I've made numerous illegal BASE jumps. By your logic, that puts me on the same level as someone who snorted cocaine, drove drunk, or massacred innocent civilians.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #25 August 26, 2004 QuoteI've made numerous illegal BASE jumps. By your logic, that puts me on the same level as someone who snorted cocaine, drove drunk, or massacred innocent civilians. Trespassing is a crime, one you are comfortable with. By definition it makes you a criminal, obviously also something you seem to be comfortable with. I doubt you care what I think of it though. If I were an American I would be pretty sad that I had to discuss who is a bigger criminal between the two choices for president. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
