78RATS 0 #1 August 25, 2004 SUN TZU SAID: When one employs battle - If victory takes long, it blunts the military and grinds down its sharpness. Attacking walled cities, one's strength is diminished. If soldiers are long in the field, the state's resources are insufficient. Now if one blunts the military, grinds down its sharpness, Diminishes its strength and exhaust its goods, Then the fuedal lords ride to one's distress and rise up. Even one who is wise cannot make good the aftermath! Thus in the military one has heard of foolish speed but has not observed skillful prolonging. And there has never been a military prolonging that has brought advantage to the state. Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #2 August 25, 2004 So, what you're saying is, you're bugged at Clinton for getting us into Bosnia with no plan for how we're gonna get out. I gotcha. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #3 August 26, 2004 Excellent reading Sun Tzu. Jomini and Clausewitz are also good reads. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 August 26, 2004 My professional motto is from SUn Tzu: "He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight." My personal motto, as well. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #5 August 26, 2004 Is Clinton still president? I could have sworn he's not president anymore... tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #6 August 26, 2004 I named my cat Sun Tzu. He truly is a worthy read for anyone but not exactly for the faint hearted. He's still required reading for Chinese Army Officers. Clausewitz On War is good too – he’s just less of a philosopher and a little more practical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78RATS 0 #7 August 26, 2004 what I'm saying is "let's get the fuck outta there" Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #8 August 26, 2004 QuoteHe truly is a worthy read for anyone but not exactly for the faint hearted. He's still required reading for Chinese Army Officers. Also for many American ones. The Art of War is required reading at both our Army (West Point) and Air Force Academies. I'm not sure about Annapolis.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #9 August 26, 2004 Is Clinton still president? I could have sworn he's not president anymore..*** He's not? Next thing you know, someone will claim that the Vietnam war is over... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #10 August 26, 2004 QuoteIs Clinton still president? I could have sworn he's not president anymore... t Good point.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prepheckt 0 #11 August 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteHe truly is a worthy read for anyone but not exactly for the faint hearted. He's still required reading for Chinese Army Officers. Also for many American ones. The Art of War is required reading at both our Army (West Point) and Air Force Academies. I'm not sure about Annapolis. This is true, I read Art of War freshman year at the AFA in my Military Strategic Studies class. I'm almost positive it's required at Annapolis too. If it isn't, I'd be surprised."Dancing Argentine Tango is like doing calculus with your feet." -9 toes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #12 August 26, 2004 For something a little more current than Sun Tzu try Pamwe Chete by Reid-Daly! Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #13 August 26, 2004 QuoteVietnam war ...I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #14 August 26, 2004 The quote that always comes to mind for me isn't quite as sophisticated as Sun Tzu. It's one of Kevin Costner's lines from [I]Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves[/I]: "And one free man defending his home is more powerful then ten hired soldiers. The Crusades taught me that." You can argue that most of the fighting in Iraq is by insurgents who aren't really defending their "home," but in their minds their home is Muslim ground, and that is what they're defending. For other examples of this principle, see the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Vietnam, and the American Revolution. I'm not arguing for an immediate withdrawl of troops; I am simply pointing out that this scenario has not worked out favorably for invading forces in the past.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78RATS 0 #15 August 26, 2004 douva...you're quoting Kevin Costner. Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #16 August 26, 2004 Quotedouva...you're quoting Kevin Costner. OBLIGATORY FAMILIY GUY QUOTE: CHRIS I haven't been this confused since the end of No Way Out. FLASHBACK to outside the theater. CHRIS (confused) How does Kevin Kostner keep getting work? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
