Kennedy 0 #1 August 25, 2004 ...about John Kerry. He applied for student deferments, just like Cheney and all the people he badmouths for taking them. He just didn't receive one. He signed up up for the Naval reserves, not the Navy. His first "tour" of Vietnam lasted less four months in a deep water vessel. Hardly a "tour of Nam." The second time, he requested Swift boats because at the time, they were a relatively safe duty patrolling coasts only. He faced a fellow swift boat veteran in a televised debate and floundered amazingly, suffering a crushing defeat. (it didn't stop his tellilng lies or his "aid and comfort" to the North Vietnamese; they don't hang just anyone in their war hall of fame, after all) He has lied repeatedly about being in Cambodia on Christmas Day, 1968. He refuses to release his military records to clarify any confusion. His superior officer refused to sign off on a reccommendation for a pruple heart, leaving Kerry himself as the likely author for his own medal. There's more, but that's all I've got for now.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #2 August 25, 2004 Quite likely. It makes him only slightly preferable to Bush and Cheney. I mean, Bush used family influence to avoid 'Nam, but went AWOL anyway, but Kerry didn't have that option, like 99% of the draftees, so he had to go anyway.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymiles 3 #3 August 25, 2004 Your daily rage against Kerry says more about you than him. I truly feel sorry for your loved ones that have to put up with your misplaced anger. Do you not realize you have become a joke? Phil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #4 August 25, 2004 QuoteYour daily rage against Kerry says more about you than him. I truly feel sorry for your loved ones that have to put up with your misplaced anger. Do you not realize you have become a joke? I know Kennedy can defend himself, but I can't let this pass by. Kennedy has not posted any more negative things about Kerry than the left has posted against Bush. Lastly, your last statement clearly was a personal attack. Maybe you need to review the rules of posting again. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #5 August 25, 2004 The difference is, Kerry volunteered to go into the Navy (not the reserves) while still in school to begin duty as soon as he graduated. Cheney got an unprecedented FIVE student deferments and then when graduated got a family hardship deferment because he got his wife pregnant. QuoteHis first "tour" of Vietnam lasted less four months in a deep water vessel. Hardly a "tour of Nam." More than Bush, Cheney, or Ashcroft did. QuoteThe second time, he requested Swift boats because at the time, they were a relatively safe duty patrolling coasts only. Use your psychic powers for this one? QuoteHe faced a fellow swift boat veteran in a televised debate and floundered amazingly, suffering a crushing defeat. What was the score? How do you define a "crushing defeat"? What was the topic? Who did he debate? Do you know any of this or did you just copy and paste this? QuoteHe has lied repeatedly about being in Cambodia on Christmas Day, 1968. It's pretty common knowledge that there were covert special operations supported by Swift Boats taking place on the rivers in Cambodia prior to the invasion of Cambodia. QuoteHe refuses to release his military records to clarify any confusion. There's an outright lie for you http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html QuoteHis superior officer refused to sign off on a reccommendation for a pruple heart, leaving Kerry himself as the likely author for his own medal. That happened to be his third, and I'm sure it had nothing to do with trying to retain troops for combat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #6 August 25, 2004 Hey he has about the same validity as your attacks on Bush"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #7 August 25, 2004 Quote Kennedy has not posted any more negative things about Kerry than the left has posted against Bush.. you know Kennedy himself might not, and i cant say i'm interested enough to do the 'real' post numbers, but i observe alot more propaganda, here at least, from the Bush camp than the Kerry camp...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DShiznit 0 #8 August 25, 2004 Who really cares? This is the reason I have avoided most conversation in the "Speakers Corner" as it is all defamation of either Kerry or Bush.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #9 August 25, 2004 If you find yourself posting a few sentences that address the poster more than the issue, you probably ought to reconsider hitting the "post" button. QuoteYour daily rage against Kerry says more about you than him. I truly feel sorry for your loved ones that have to put up with your misplaced anger. Do you not realize you have become a joke? That's a personal attack. It also has no bearing on the discussion. I've just looked over some of your other posts, and this appears to be a trend for you. Why don't you take a few days off from this forum and consider the difference between discussing and insulting?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #10 August 25, 2004 Quoteyou know Kennedy himself might not, and i cant say i'm interested enough to do the 'real' post numbers, but i observe alot more propaganda, here at least, from the Bush camp than the Kerry camp... OK informal poll of one page. (Top page) Pro Bush/Anti Kerry = 8 Pro Kerry/Anti Bush = 7 Not bad... However it seems more threads that start neutral get hijacked by Anti-bush guys first. What can I say I bored at work?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #11 August 25, 2004 ***Your daily rage against Kerry says more about you than him. I truly feel sorry for your loved ones that have to put up with your misplaced anger. Do you not realize you have become a joke? Talk about "misplaced" anger,don't get Phillykev or Kallend going on GWBMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #12 August 25, 2004 QuoteThe difference is, Kerry volunteered to go into the Navy (not the reserves) while still in school to begin duty as soon as he graduated. Incorrect. February 18, 1966 he signed to the Naval Reserves, status inactive. He entered OCS in Newport RI, seeking to be an offier in the US Naval Reserves. QuoteQuoteHis first "tour" of Vietnam lasted less four months in a deep water vessel. Hardly a "tour of Nam." More than Bush, Cheney, or Ashcroft did. My point is he was assigned to a missile frigate in the Pacific, not to Vietnam. He was deep water navy, and saw precisely zero combat. Check into the USS Gridley. It operated along the California coast for several months, then did guard duty for planes flying in the area of the China Sea and the Gulf of Tonkin for a number of weeks, not months, then sailed for Australia then back to Long Beach CA. QuoteQuoteThe second time, he requested Swift boats because at the time, they were a relatively safe duty patrolling coasts only. Use your psychic powers for this one? Nope. My powers of literacy. According to a Kerry bio written by Boston Globe reporters, swift boats were considered safe at the time. "Kerry also believed a swift boat assignment would keep him away from the front lines of combat." In fact, Kerry confirms this himself, in his 1986 contribution to The Vietnam Experience: A War Remembered. He wrote "At the time, the boats had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I going to be doing. Although I wanted to see for myself what was going on, I didn't really want to get involved in the war." Have I made my point? QuoteQuoteHe faced a fellow swift boat veteran in a televised debate and floundered amazingly, suffering a crushing defeat. What was the score? How do you define a "crushing defeat"? What was the topic? Who did he debate? Do you know any of this or did you just copy and paste this? Every article written (except for one, that Kerry has on his site) describes it that way. Also, you can see for yourself. The transcript is online somewhere. It was on The Dick Cavett Show, June 30, 1971. QuoteQuoteHe has lied repeatedly about being in Cambodia on Christmas Day, 1968. It's pretty common knowledge that there were covert special operations supported by Swift Boats taking place on the rivers in Cambodia prior to the invasion of Cambodia. Then why does the timeline on his website start after January 1968, and why do all commanders from the area state that it never happened? QuoteQuoteHe refuses to release his military records to clarify any confusion. There's an outright lie for you http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html Kev, don't call me a liar if you want to retain any hopes of our becoming friends. He refused to sign the required forms to make all his service history open to the public. He posted what he thinks is beneficial to his website, and that's it. Until he signs the form, the truth is know only to him, the DoD, and the man upstairs. QuoteQuoteHis superior officer refused to sign off on a reccommendation for a pruple heart, leaving Kerry himself as the likely author for his own medal. That happened to be his third, and I'm sure it had nothing to do with trying to retain troops for combat. Actually, I was talking about his first purple heart. (where he most likely injured himself with the M79) but if you want to talk about the third being undeserved as well, we can do that, too. edit: You'll notice he posted the recommendation for his Bronze Star. Why did he not post the paperwork for his purple hearts?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #13 August 25, 2004 Dude, we all know you don't like democrats or anyone left of Ronald Regan. Can you please give it a rest?Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #14 August 25, 2004 QuoteTalk about "misplaced" anger,don't get Phillykev or Kallend going on GWB Or PeacefulJeffrey... Re:Kennedy, I don't agree with him alot of the time, BUT, I thought the whole point of this forum was to "vent yer angst"? If someone wants to post about the same subject every day, that is their business."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #15 August 25, 2004 Tink, I know many, many people further to the right than I am. Do you know anyone further to the left than you are? Or are you just enlightened, so my comparison isn't fair? I appreciate Reagan's skill and leadership. When have I ever said that I use him as a standard to which all others are compared? What part of L-I-B-E-R-T-A-R-I-A-N is so hard to understand? ps - you going to ask freeflydrew or skydekker to quit posting against GWB, or is that repetition ok becuase you agree with it?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #16 August 25, 2004 QuoteWhat part of L-I-B-E-R-T-A-R-I-A-N is so hard to understand? Does that mean you work in a library? -- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #17 August 25, 2004 Oh, thank goodness i've been enlightened with this information! Now I can change my mind and go vote for Bush instead! translation: who cares? lol! angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #18 August 25, 2004 QuoteDo you know anyone further to the left than you are? I know MANY people who are WAY further left than I am. AND I am a Green. Quoteps - you going to ask freeflydrew or skydekker to quit posting against GWB, or is that repetition ok becuase you agree with it? OK, knock it off guys. The signal to noise ratio here is getting out of hand. (Does that do it for you?) QuoteI appreciate Reagan's skill and leadership. Is that the same skill and leadrship that spawned Iran/Contra?Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #19 August 25, 2004 Nice attempt at a hijack, but this thread is adamantly about Kerry. Have you listened to Winter Soldier?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #20 August 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteYour daily rage against Kerry says more about you than him. I truly feel sorry for your loved ones that have to put up with your misplaced anger. Do you not realize you have become a joke? I know Kennedy can defend himself, but I can't let this pass by. Kennedy has not posted any more negative things about Kerry than the left has posted against Bush. Lastly, your last statement clearly was a personal attack. Maybe you need to review the rules of posting again. Definitely. I am offended on Kennedy's behalf. There was nothing veiled about that personal attack. A joke? Kennedy has more integrity on this board than any twelve other people. Angry? He's more level-headed and even tempered than any ... you get my point. What an unfounded personal attack. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #21 August 25, 2004 Eh, don't worry about that. I actually laughed when I read it because it was so stupid. My "daily rage?" I stay out of most keery/bush threads, or at least don't post to them all that much (present thread excluded ). Misplaced anger? Hell, Kerry scares me, but he doesn't make me angry. The only things that are guaranteed to make me angry are calling me a liar and calling me a simpleton. (hence getting a thread locked before I could edit my post; sorry guys). The poster just didn't know WTF he wsa saying. It's much easier to just type [personal attack], while you're thinking it, and then delete it before posting. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #22 August 25, 2004 QuoteThe difference is, Kerry volunteered to go into the Navy (not the reserves) while still in school to begin duty as soon as he graduated. Cheney got an unprecedented FIVE student deferments and then when graduated got a family hardship deferment because he got his wife pregnant. I don't know much about all this stuff, so I ask in earnest: does "unprecedented 5" mean that he was the first person, EVER, to get 5 deferments?? Wow, if that's true. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #23 August 26, 2004 QuoteDude, we all know you don't like democrats or anyone left of Ronald Regan. Can you please give it a rest? Hell yes, I agree 100%! I am sick and tired of all these politically biased idiots posting stuff that I disagree with. Give it a rest? Hell, I say we run 'em all outta here! . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #24 August 26, 2004 QuoteOK, knock it off guys. The signal to noise ratio here is getting out of hand. (Does that do it for you?) Wow, you know, it's amazing -- if I squint my eyes just right, your purple name actually does start to look green!! I guess that's why you feel justified telling other posters here what to post about, when enough is enough, and when to stop posting on a topic. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #25 August 26, 2004 It is my opinion that Mr. Kerry accounted well for himself in the brief time that he was in theater. Those who minimize his risk and his injuries do so from the luxury of 35 years and 10000 miles of distance. The fact remains that he was willingly in harm's way, irrespective of how brief a time it was. He was eligible to rotate out after three wounds - this is fair, and it's the same thing everybody got over there (and it doesn't matter where it came from, btw - almost any injury received in a war zone can qualify, even if it isn't the result of hostile action). For example, when in the Gulf War (1990-1991), a group of careless troops tasked with disposing of unexpended ordnance inadvertently blew themselves up, they received posthumous Purple Hearts (source: "Crusade" . Kerry took advantage of this regulation, and I cannot fault him for it. My concern is not so much what he did there, but what he did afterwards: His portrayal of my father and my stepfather (each of whom, unlike the priveleged Mr. Kerry, served a full year in Vietnam), and one of my stepfather's friends (and a mentor to me, who served three one-year tours as a Huey pilot) as WAR CRIMINALS is something I'm much more furious about - DON'T GET ME STARTED "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
