freeflir29 0 #51 August 25, 2004 Jim....I won't tell the WHOLE story as there would be people out to hang me I'm sure........I lived on a country road growing up. Used to hunt dear on my parents farm and MANY acres that surrounded it. Some was friend's land but a HUGE plot right next door (About 450 wooded acres) was a timber company's land. I hunted over there quite a bit until they put houses on it just after I got out of High School. Well....there were some "undesireables" that lived down the road about 1 1/2 miles. They had dogs that literally roamed in PACKS. I was sitting next to a powerline one day when this poor doe comes out of the woods running for all she is worth. Tongue hanging out and everything. She looks like she is about to drop dead. I wait a few seconds to see what is chasing her....Yep......6-7 dogs running in a pack. I ran out of ammo that day and had to walk back to the house for more. That scene repeated itself until the stray dog population was thinned out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #52 August 25, 2004 A wild dog in Wisconsin is put there, not raised there. Any dog chasing game, or any other animal for that matter, may be diseased, rabid, starving, ect. This same animal could be chasing my 5 year old son the next day. It takes a remarkably short time for any, and I do mean ANY housepet to go wild.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #53 August 25, 2004 QuoteAny dog chasing game, or any other animal for that matter, may be diseased, rabid, starving, ect. I've known plenty of people that would shoot their coon dogs if they chased ANYTHING else.....ever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #54 August 25, 2004 >Any dog chasing game, or any other animal for that matter, may be > diseased, rabid, starving, ect. >This same animal could be chasing my 5 year old son the next day. All the same could be said for the coyotes that live in our canyon. They chase the smaller deer on occasion. The best approach is still to ignore them unless they threaten you. Killing the coyotes in the canyon would cause more than a few problems (the rabbit population explosion would be just one of those problems.) When we have power over other animals, we have to be responsible with the use of that power. Killing a carnivore chasing prey isn't that responsible IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #55 August 25, 2004 Coyotes are game animals in and of themselves, Bill. You know that. They were killed off almost to extinction, just like the wolves, for the very reason you state. Proper regulations along with proper hunting seasons work. Wild dogs, just like feral cats, are not the same.It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #56 August 25, 2004 QuoteAll the same could be said for the coyotes that live in our canyon. When I lived in Washington State I could get $35 for a nice winter time coyote pelt. $35 for just the "green" pelt. I had fun, helped out the deer population (Although mountain Lions kill WAY more deer than coyotes), and made money on the deal. Shooting coyotes was a good thing there. I wouldn't worry too much about the rabbitt population. You could NEVER shoot, trap, or poison enough coyotes to make a dent in the population. In non-pressured areas they will only have two kits or so per litter. In areas of heavy pressure they can have up to 16 or so. Like rats I tell ya! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tandembrent 0 #57 August 25, 2004 yes i have. i'm not especialially proud to say that, but neither am i ashamed of it either. i'm not implying you were, just a statement. i know some jumpers that hunt, and most of the meat eaters at the dz like the fruits of their kill. i don't feel the need to hunt anymore, maybe, i never did feel the need. but i did get very skilled at a clean and painless a kill as possible or else i would pass on the shot. final tally for brent, barring a mercy euthinasia: deer- 31, no real trophies, i really like the meat geese- probably around 200, the absolute best red meat on the planet ducks- ballpark 700 many species, my most admired pursuit for many years, they are amazing! rabbits, squirells, pheasants, grouse, woodcock, coyote....... i don't ever need to be the insturment of another creatures pain or death! peace, brent ***~~~~Green grass and high clouds forever~~~~ no matter where you go, there you are! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dixieskydiver 0 #58 August 25, 2004 QuoteHey guys- I was just curious to see if there are any skydivers who have gone hunting before...and no, I am not talking about for chicks! I myself have shot 4 deer and even though I don't hunt anymore, (at least not for animals!), I want to see if any skydivers are hunters as well. My prediction is most skydivers have never intentionally killed an animal. Sarah I'm from the south darlin', I been huntin' since before I can remember. One particular incident from my early youth sticks out... in the stand with my dad... big buck is making his way towards the stand and making a lot of racket... I look up to my Dad and say in an excited child's voice "Dad! I think a deer is coming!" Yea I've never lived that one down with him. Dixie HISPA #56 Facil Rodriguez "Scientific research has shown that 60% of the time, it works every time." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #59 August 25, 2004 Quotemy most admired pursuit for many years, they are amazing! Aren't they!!! I had never been duck hunting in my life until my friend introduced me to it when I was stationed at Ft. Bragg. I was kind of skeptical but figured I would give it a try. From the very first time I turned an entire flock of about 12 Woodys with my call I was HOOKED. Now I have a Mossberg 835 and a bag of decoys that don't get much use. I would much rather be skydiving! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #60 August 25, 2004 I used to hunt with my father a while back. I've killed doves, quail, pheasents, and turkey. they all tasted good to me. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #61 August 25, 2004 Quotethey all tasted good to me. There's room for all God's animals...........right next to the potatos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #62 August 25, 2004 I'm thinking this poll didn't go the way you intended and I will push it farther out. Two dogs had litters at the sme time. One dog cameover to check out the other litter and ripped a puppies guts open. I had to drown the puppy. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #63 August 25, 2004 QuoteI had to drown the puppy. Wow.....thanks...I REALLY wanted to read that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #64 August 25, 2004 I'm here all week. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #65 August 25, 2004 I'm thinking Bill menat killing too many coyotes would result in a rabbit explosion not that killing them would harm the rabbits. edit to fix a bunch of typos. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #66 August 25, 2004 QuoteI'm here all week. Cool.....can I get your autograph? I read a book recently that said serial killers autographs can sell for a lot of money. I think Daumer's brought 5K. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #67 August 25, 2004 Serail killer implies more than one intentional kill. Sorry not me. Go check out the hunters in the thread. OK I understand that hunting is not a bad thing done properly and I sure wish my brother-in-law and his wife would stop feeding the damned deer in their neighborhood. edit to fix a typo and another. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #68 August 25, 2004 QuoteYes of course, as I am a licened hunter, I do so wherever it's possible to me. Except certain animals (such like elephant or big cats: never. Bear: I'm afraid of!), I shoot all I'm allowed to (and I've got to pay for). Quote I never killed a steak, I am vegetarian. So....just curious. If you don't kill to eat it....why do you hunt? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #69 August 25, 2004 QuoteHey guys- I was just curious to see if there are any skydivers who have gone hunting before...and no, I am not talking about for chicks! I myself have shot 4 deer and even though I don't hunt anymore, (at least not for animals!), I want to see if any skydivers are hunters as well. My prediction is most skydivers have never intentionally killed an animal. Sarah Don't you read Speaker's Corner? Don't you know how many of us skydivers are also gun nuts?! I was heavily under the influence of my brother, nine years my senior, when I was a kid running around in the woods with my BB guns. I shot birds and stuff, even a garter snake once, back then. If I was in the den, and saw a bird land on a branch at the edge of the woods through the back door, I would run upstairs to get my BB gun and be pumping it up on the way downstairs, ready to stalk and shoot it! It was thrilling and fun... at the time. One day I saw a mourning dove on a branch over the pool area. I got the BB gun, went into the back yard and stalked near the pool fence. I fired on that innocent dove and it fell to the concrete patio. It fluttered around in pain from the non-fatal shot, and eager to end its misery, I pumped several more shots into it. It seemed to resist dying for a long time. I think I had to fire upwards of five shots to finally put it to rest. That changed me. I still see that poor bird in my mind, I still can remember standing right there on the concrete near the diving board with that bloody gray bird suffering and dying, and I hate the fact that I caused it. So after that I never shot another living animal. I had become disgusted with doing so. I couldn't bring myself to cause the suffering again. Now, I'm no animal-rights bleeding heart. I'm not vegetarian. I hate PETA and its antics vehemently. I don't oppose others hunting, but I do oppose hunting any animal that will not be used for food. If I'd planned to eat that dove, I would have thanked it for its sacrifice to my nourishment, but that was plainly not the reason I killed it. I did it purely for the thrill, and I outgrew that thrill, thankfully. I guess the dove died in order to kill a useless and harmful part of me. Of course, now that I'm a pilot and skydiver I feel a kinship with things that fly. I think I would sooner kill a land-dwelling animal than one that flies, thought I'd rather not kill anything. It's a respect and love thing. I love the brethren avians. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #70 August 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteKilling something with a gun gives you "emotional distance" (for lack of a better phrase). Killing it with a knife is a different experience, isn't it? No. *** People that buy a steak are just buying something. People that shoot an animal and see it die, think about it. Using a knife, you feel it. No. I never killed a steak, I am vegetarian. If I recall correctly, you have argued against our right to carry guns for self defense in America. And you said you were not "anti-gun" because you own guns and hunt, but you own them under stringent laws. You recently said that you hunt and kill any and all animals that you are able to except maybe elephant and bear... but you are vegetarian and don't eat meat. May I ask why you bother to kill animals, then? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #71 August 25, 2004 *** Pardon me. In message #19 you say that you are a hunter and kill lots of animals. Now you say you are a vegetarian. *** Hi John Rich, yes, I confirmed to be a hunter in a few threads. No problem on that. In same time, I confirmed several times that I am vegetarian (I am since I was 8 yrs old). It's usual that all animals our hunting community brings down, are to be utilized. (F. e. at local butchers, or to be sold to special restaurants). No matter where I hunt, I never eat that meat. Hunting friends do so for dinner, of course. I kill vegetables and Spaghetties for dinner after a long and nice hunting day with friends. Plus a glass of wine. I simply love to be in the nature for hunting. If I do not kill an animal: Who cares? And I love my weapons, no doubt. If not in use, they are safely locked and sometimes, I do not touch them for months. In case of bird hunting (coming in autumn), I bring back home birds (pheasants) for my family and friends. "Do you just like killing for the sake of killing?" John Rich, what a question! My above explanations should answer that (what a silly) question. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #72 August 25, 2004 Quote If I recall correctly, you have argued against our right to carry guns for self defense in America. And you said you were not "anti-gun" because you own guns and hunt, but you own them under stringent laws. You recently said that you hunt and kill any and all animals that you are able to except maybe elephant and bear... but you are vegetarian and don't eat meat. May I ask why you bother to kill animals, then? If I recall correctly, this is not a gun/weapon/or SomethingLikeThat tread, just a simple questions was posed: Ever kill An Animal? Pls kindly refer to my answer adressed to JohnRich. It's matching to your questions, too. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #73 August 25, 2004 I've killed animals for money, does that make me a bad person?-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #74 August 25, 2004 Quote However.... I do have a problem with most big game trophy hunting. I'm especialy alarmed by "canned" hunting. Some American hunters travel to South Africa and pay thousands of dollars to shoot a lion in a restricted space. Can this be described as anything other than bloodsport ? Fully agree to that! It's just killing for killing... for proudly presenting trophies to friends, as this is all the hunter is able to show in his twisted mind dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #75 August 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteKilling something with a gun gives you "emotional distance" (for lack of a better phrase). Killing it with a knife is a different experience, isn't it? No. Have you ever killed anything with knife? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
