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Fair enough. I agree with you. But here is the question: when he does that and fucks up royally, killing thousands while it turns out that country was no thread to the US or the people in the US, do you think he should be re-elected?



At the time EVERYONE thought he was a danger...And Kerry DID vote to go to war. It was only AFTER it was shown to be unpopular that he changed his position.

And that is my issue with him. He will not stick to any choice. You never know where he will stand on any issue.

The fact of his service I could really care less. The fact that he served and then lamblasted everyone else who served...I have an issue with. The fact that he said he threw his medals, but the we latter on display in his offices...I have a problem with.

The fact that he claims to be a "Man of the people: but has a 26,000 dollar tie collection and gets 1,000.00 dollar haircuts. Bothers me.

And Tom has said the reasons I don't like Edwards...He was a trial lawyer that drove up the costs of healthcare, but now bitches that healthcare costs are to high? HE MADE THEM HIGH.
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I think he meant you have to be as worried as it you're in the old west, not act as if you're a gang banging, gun fighting, drunkard.



And yet that is sort of how the world now sees us. A big bully that waltzed into the bar, picked a fight with another not quite so big bully, beat the shit out of him and now . . . the rest of the world is looking to see what's going to happen next. Meanwhile (to take the analogy one step further), the other guy's gang is out looking to get even.
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Yes, next we should invade Israel.



When Israel becomes a possible threat to the US..Then sure.

But last I checked they were not openly saying they hate us and calling us "Satan".
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At the time EVERYONE thought he was a danger...And Kerry DID vote to go to war. It was only AFTER it was shown to be unpopular that he changed his position.

And that is my issue with him. He will not stick to any choice. You never know where he will stand on any issue.



Hey, when I fuck up royally and my employees walk into my office asking for an explanation, I will be the first to admit I made a mistake and that I really should have done something else.

To me the dangerous guy is the one who cannot admit a mistake, blames his subordinates and changes the story to suit his needs.

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A big bully that waltzed into the bar, picked a fight with another not quite so big bully, beat the shit out of him and now . . .



That not so big bully had given bullets to his friends that shot at your buddy. Was rumored (And you and all your buddies heard it) that he was planning on getting some TNT to blow up your ranch.

This same not so big bully was arrested once and told that he could not get that TNT....But yet when he was asked about the TNT he played games.
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Logically then, the only way the world -should- respond is with terrorism because they simply would not be able to look out for their own interests any other way.



Logically, we shouldn't push them to the point where they respond with terrorism. That's not in our self interest.
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And that is my issue with him. He will not stick to any choice. You never know where he will stand on any issue.

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The list of Bush flip flops has been posted many times so I won't repost it.

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The list of Bush flip flops has been posted many times so I won't repost it.



and yet its still nothing compared to Kerry's list.
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The list of Bush flip flops has been posted many times so I won't repost it.



and yet its still nothing compared to Kerry's list.


So, just because you think he isn't as bad as Kerry, you think he's good? This is why your logically is seriously flawed. Those who "support" Kerry at least admit that he's not the ideal candidate. Most who support Bush are actually supporting him...that's what I find most scary. It's one thing to say that "He's not as bad as...." It's sad to see that people actually like Bush.
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The list of Bush flip flops has been posted many times so I won't repost it.

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and yet its still nothing compared to Kerry's list.

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So, just because you think he isn't as bad as Kerry, you think he's good? This is why your logically is seriously flawed. Those who "support" Kerry at least admit that he's not the ideal candidate. Most who support Bush are actually supporting him...that's what I find most scary. It's one thing to say that "He's not as bad as...." It's sad to see that people actually like Bush.



1. Where does it say I like Bush? You just make assumptions all the time like that?

I like Bush MUCH more than Kerry. I know Bush has issues, but I think he is the better person for the job.
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2. It says tons to me about a person who will support a guy they know is bad, but only because they think someone else is worse.
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It says tons to me about a person who will support a guy they know is bad, but only because they think someone else is worse.



Um, it says that they are pragmatic and realistic? Or perhaps that they are Winston Churchill?

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So I'm watching that show, and I'm thinking, "no way left-wing funnyman John Stewart's going to ask him about Christmas in Cambodia". But then he does. Asks him straight out. And Kerry didn't answer.

Oh well.



Sewart's not from the left... He says it over and over again. He just likes to make fun of everybody, and host a fake news program.

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So I'm watching that show, and I'm thinking, "no way left-wing funnyman John Stewart's going to ask him about Christmas in Cambodia". But then he does. Asks him straight out. And Kerry didn't answer.

Oh well.



why am I not surpized he didnt answer?

Oh wait...He has already been on both sides of that one...Thats why.
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why am I not surpized he didnt answer?

Oh wait...He has already been on both sides of that one...Thats why.



Kerry answered scarcastically that he was still trying to figure out where he was that night... and then when Kerry tried to move on to another topic, Stewart would ask over and over about Cambodia, mocking the ludicrasy of the whole topic, and the focus on it by the right.
HAd you watched the show, you would understand the context...

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Kerry answered scarcastically that he was still trying to figure out where he was that night... and then when Kerry tried to move on to another topic, Stewart would ask over and over about Cambodia, mocking the ludicrasy of the whole topic, and the focus on it by the right.
HAd you watched the show, you would understand the context...



So he STILL didn't answer the question right?

I understand how the left wants to forget about it.
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So he STILL didn't answer the question right?

I understand how the left wants to forget about it.



Not related to this particular topic (Kerry's question), but just a general observation.

Ron, I feel sorry for you dude and anyone who shares this "right/left" mentality I see so often displayed in these forums. I'd hate to live in your world where everything is so clearly "right" and "left".

I think if both groups stopped this "left" and "right" crap, we might actually get somewhere. Till then we're stuck in this cyclical finger pointing match that gets the rest of the country no-where.

The ardent "rights" and "lefts" seem incapable of presenting a point or counter point without bringing in a "left" or "right" bash.

It's pretty pathetic from the outside. Grow up guys, it'd be nice to see people working together (even though they have different beliefs) instead of against one another, but somehow I doubt I'll see that in my lifetime.

Anyway, I'm sure this post will be torn to shreds and the childish game will continue. Regardless you're all free to believe what you will. I just thought I'd comment on something I noticed.

Flame on.

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Ron, I feel sorry for you dude and anyone who shares this "right/left" mentality I see so often displayed in these forums. I'd hate to live in your world where everything is so clearly "right" and "left".



Don't feel sorry for me, I like my life.

Actually I am much more "middle" than people think.

But I do hate all the extreme "Lefts" and how they harp on the same BS...So turn about is fair play.

I hate Kerry cause I don't feel I can trust him. He votes whatever way he thinks will make him popular and bring him power. I would hate ANYONE like that no matter what party they follow. (I don't like Rush)

But I find it funny how Kerry supporters claim shit about Bush that their canidate does also. (Moveon vs SBVFT)
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Ron,

Just replying to you, but I believe that people on both sides of the spectrum may feel the same way so what I reply goes to everyone.

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Don't feel sorry for me, I like my life.



Wiseass, you know what I mean :P

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But I do hate all the extreme "Lefts" and how they harp on the same BS...So turn about is fair play.



Then be a better debator, and focus on the issues at hand. It's easier to turn around and throw something negative that the other party has done than to focus on something postive that the candidate you're debating for has done. That quickly degenerates into a mud slinging match where the issues get lost in all the BS. I believe people are more likely to listen to what a person has to say if they don't get wrapped up in the he said/she said stuff. ANY candidate from ANY party is human, hence they've probably done some pretty shitty things and made some pretty shitty decisions in their lifetime. It's a given, so lets move on and focus on what they're doing now.

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I hate Kerry cause I don't feel I can trust him. He votes whatever way he thinks will make him popular and bring him power. I would hate ANYONE like that no matter what party they follow.



I agree, but I also believe that Bush's unwaivering stance isn't the best thing either. I believe in a candidate who isn't going to flip flop when it counts, but is also man/woman enough to know when they've made a bad decision and to try and do what it takes to make the situation better. Unfortunately, we make it hard for a candidate to do that because we're incredible intolerant of mistakes and focus on the negative a lot. We are all a part of the problem too.

I'm not unrealistic, I know it's an unlikely ideal to strive for, but if we never strive for it we'll never achieve it.

To you Ron: I came to Z-hills to collect my beer not too long ago and you weren't there :P

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Wiseass, you know what I mean



Maybe, but thats kinda the whole point of this whole thing.

Left slams right, or right slams left.

Then the other side returns fire.

I try to respond with facts to lies.

Now, if we could just show FACTS...Or even just treat opinions as opinions. we would be moving a long way.

But to many confuse opinions as facts.

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To you Ron: I came to Z-hills to collect my beer not too long ago and you weren't there



Yeah, I had to train that weekend.

You will get whats comming to you;)
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I'd hate to live in your world where everything is so clearly "right" and "left".



How nice of you to define Ron and his world, but you just might be way off base.

There are plenty of independent, rational, intelligent thinkers on all sides of the political spectrum. For them, the party that represents their line of thinking follows them, not the other way around.


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2. It says tons to me about a person who will support a guy they know is bad, but only because they think someone else is worse.



it says they recognize that sometimes there are only two options, and both of them suck....[:/]
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Kerry answered scarcastically that he was still trying to figure out where he was that night...HAd you watched the show



Well *I* watched the interview, and he didn't give a real answer. Point is he can't answer it. He's stuck and everyone knows it. After all, *he's* the one who brought the issue up years ago on the senate floor trying to make a point of his own. If he brought it up, he should follow it through.

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Stewart would ask over and over about Cambodia,



Yes, of course it would've been ridiculous for Stewart to ask the question more than once, or push for a solid answer. He's a comedy guy, not a news guy. But then why did he ask at all? It's a hardball question in a softball situation. Surprising he even asked.

My only point was that he was asked and he didn't answer. Read into it all you want everyone, (what about Bush, blah, blah...) but I'm a moderate, not a winger on either side.

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