PhillyKev 0 #26 August 24, 2004 Last I checked, Moore wasn't an employee of Kerry's (unlike Codier), he isn't funded by the DNC (unlike the campaign office printing flyers for SBVFT) and isn't a personal friend, business associate and major contributor to Kerry's campaign (unlike Rove). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #27 August 24, 2004 QuoteLast I checked, Moore wasn't an employee of Kerry's (unlike Codier), he isn't funded by the DNC (unlike the campaign office printing flyers for SBVFT) and isn't a personal friend, business associate and major contributor to Kerry's campaign (unlike Rove). And that matters? Kerry didn't condem the 527's when they worked FOR him, but now he wants Bush to condem them when they are against him. Thats a double standard. Kerry is full of them. I can't go around hitting people, but then cry foul when someone hits me back."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #28 August 24, 2004 QuoteLast I checked, Moore wasn't an employee of Kerry's (unlike Codier), he isn't funded by the DNC (unlike the campaign office printing flyers for SBVFT) and isn't a personal friend, business associate and major contributor to Kerry's campaign (unlike Rove). What's any of that got to do with Kerry not choosing to do the right thing? By condemning the SBV attack ads, Bush has done the right thing. Will Kerry follow suit? --- Edited to answer my own question: Yes, Kerry will "do the right thing" and condemn the Moore and MoveOn smear campains IF and ONLY IF a poll tells him to. Excepting that, we'll continue to see the double standard. -- . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #29 August 24, 2004 What Bush did is illegal. Like it or not, 527s are legal UNLESS they are working directly for a campaign. I though the Bush crowd was all about it's ok to avoid the draft as long as you do it in a legal manner, etc. Make up your minds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #30 August 24, 2004 QuoteMake up your minds Maybe you should get your canidate to make up his first? Kerry supported these groups until they turned on him. Sad really. He can dish it out, but not take it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #31 August 24, 2004 QuoteOr the GOP might not be so eager to concentrate on which candidate took more time off, or which candidate screwed up more often, or which candidate made a bigger mess of things during the time they were serving in their respective offices. Took more time off? Bill, if you're referring to Bush's 'time off', remember, much of it was weekends, much of it was working, and I don't think there's much he can do at the Whitehouse that he can't do from pretty much anywhere else. Thank goodness for modern technology. Kerry, on the other hand, has been absent from his duties as senator for how long now? What's the statistic I've seen? He's missed close to 90% of the votes in the last year? Tell me, who's taken more time off? The rest just kind of falls in line . . . It's difficult to screw up or make a mess of things when you don't show up for work. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #32 August 24, 2004 Kerry supported the GOP and SBVFT? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #33 August 24, 2004 QuoteKerry supported the GOP and SBVFT? Kerry did not condem Moore (he was at the DNC) or Moveon.org. But now that SBVFT are here now he wants Bush to condem them. Double standard."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #34 August 24, 2004 QuoteDouble standard. PK has no rational argument to dispute this. There is none. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #35 August 24, 2004 QuoteI understand the grief this is causing for some Vietnam vets, but as a campain issue, it's turning out to be a flop. I could give a shit either way - it's his voting record in the Senate that bothers me. Yes and then no - No and then yes - Yes before no- but only after yes. The guy cannot make up his mind without his owners giving him commands.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #36 August 24, 2004 Kerry wasn't financing MoveOn or Moore. Bush and the GOP are financing SBVFT. That is a huge difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #37 August 24, 2004 QuoteKerry wasn't financing MoveOn or Moore. Bush and the GOP are financing SBVFT. That is a huge difference. I disagree. Regardless the source financing, both Bush and Kerry have an opportunity to take the high road. Thus far, only Bush has taken it. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #38 August 24, 2004 QuoteI disagree. Regardless the source financing, But that is the issue. Bush didn't say anything about every group that sides with him. He said something about the group being financed by him and the GOP. If there were a group attacking Bush that got financing from Kerry's campaign, I would expect him to do the same thing. But there isn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #39 August 24, 2004 QuoteKerry wasn't financing MoveOn You might be right, but I heard it was the other way around... QuoteBush and the GOP are financing SBVFT Evidence? It has been widely reported that Democratic interests are far more represented by 527s than Republican ones... the top bigwigs of the DNC have their own 527s... and I's sure some of the top GOP folks do too... they all need to go away, they only muddy the waters. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #40 August 24, 2004 I can't believe you are all fighting about who is the bigger scumbag. BOTH major parties are, in effect, endorsing scumbaggery by their various activities, even while giving lipservice to trying to stop it. I don't particularly care who is the greater scumbag. I just wish the scumbags and liars would ALL go away and leave us with a good choice. (FAT CHANCE OF THAT HAPPENING).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #41 August 24, 2004 Quotegot financing from Kerry's campaign, I would expect him to do the same thing. But there isn't. Are you sure... There is a complaint before the FEC for that very thing. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #42 August 24, 2004 Quote I can't believe you are all fighting about who is the bigger scumbag. BOTH major parties are, in effect, endorsing scumbaggery by their various activities, even while giving lipservice to trying to stop it. I don't particularly care who is the greater scumbag. I just wish the scumbags and liars would ALL go away and leave us with a good choice. (FAT CHANCE OF THAT HAPPENING). In politics the scum rises to the top. What else is new? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #43 August 24, 2004 Quote In politics the scum rises to the top. What else is new? Or . . . Politics is like a cesspool, all the big chunks float to the top.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #44 August 24, 2004 >Thus far, only Bush has taken it. --------------------------------------- And over the weekend, another swift boat Veteran, William Rood, also broke 35 years of silence to support Kerry's version of how he won a silver star. Rood is now an editor with the Chicago Tribune. The Bush campaign denounced Rood's article in the Tribune as politically motivated. ---------------------------------------- Bush refuses to denounce the SBVFT, but denounces someone who defends Kerry's record. Right. Bush has really taken the high road! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #45 August 24, 2004 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I disagree. Regardless the source financing, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But that is the issue. Bush didn't say anything about every group that sides with him. He said something about the group being financed by him and the GOP From Quades artical:Quote http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040823/D84L7OKG0.html President Bush on Monday criticized a commercial that accused John Kerry of inflating his own Vietnam War record, more than a week after the ad stopped running, and said broadcast attacks by outside groups have no place in the race for the White House. Quote "I think they're bad for the system," added Bush QuoteBush criticized the groups' first commercial and all other outside group attack ads - many of which have targeted his own re-election. "That means that ad, every other ad," he said. "I can't be more plain about it. And I wish - I hope my opponent joins me in saying - condemning these activities of the 527s. It's - I think they're bad for the system. That's why I signed the bill, McCain-Feingold." Yet Kerry DOES notQuoteWhile Kerry and Democrats have demanded that Bush condemn the attack on his war record, the president has been targeted by an estimated $60 million in commercials by outside groups since the campaign began. Kerry has declined to call for an end to those ads, which helped him at a time when he did not have the funds to compete with Bush' campaign advertising budget. A double standard. QuoteAsked about the issue, Bush said, "I think Senator Kerry served admirably and he ought to be proud of his record. But the question is who is best to lead the country in the war on terror? Who can handle the responsibilities of the commander in chief? Who's got a clear vision of the risks that the country faces?" Yet Kerry and his guys still slam Bush."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #46 August 24, 2004 QuoteQuotegot financing from Kerry's campaign, I would expect him to do the same thing. But there isn't. Are you sure... There is a complaint before the FEC for that very thing. J You might be a little confused. The FEC complaint is against Bush. And as far as proof, google the names I mentioned above and you'll get plenty of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #47 August 24, 2004 QuoteYou might be a little confused. The FEC complaint is against Bush. QuoteComplaint filed with FEC alleges collusion with Kerry campaign Thursday, May 6, 2004 Posted: 2:17 PM EDT From the Communist news network. Who's confused? JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #48 August 24, 2004 Sorry, was my confusion. Didn't recall that story. Was thinking of the recent one http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/21/politics/campaign/21ads.html But your post weakens the position from your side that Bush is taking the "high road" Kerry is complaining about one group and one particular set of ads. Whereas Bush made allegation that 527 separate groups are all working together and made complaints about all of them months ago while not saying a thing about SBVFT until he was called on it. Keep hearing you guys saying "Kerry is asking Bush to condemn the ads but isn't doing the same". Well, it looks like Bush was already condemning the ads that damaged himself, while ignoring those that favored him until recently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #49 August 24, 2004 Pot meet kettle. Neither campaign is taking a high road. Scumbags all!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #50 August 24, 2004 QuoteWhereas Bush made allegation that 527 separate groups are all working together and made complaints about all of them months ago while not saying a thing about SBVFT until he was called on it. Swiftboat Veterans for Truth did not even exist when the complait against Kerry's campaign was lodged... the organization was not formed until 7/1/04... I think Bush has been fairly consistant in saying 527s should not be acting in this manner... I don't see where he needs to name each one specifically, on either side of the fence. The particulars of Kerry's service in Vietnam is not a big issue for me... its the apparent goal, since college, of setting himself up as the next JFK that is where his service record resonates... I'm not a huge fan of Bush... But if Kerry is the best the oposition can table... I'll stick with Bush. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
