PhillyKev 0 #1 August 23, 2004 I don't consider myself a Christian, but I can't imagine that the Christian god, who I believe said something along the lines of "it matters not what goes into you, rather what comes out" would think it's right to deny a little girl communion because she could die if she takes it. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/19/communion.denied.ap/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #2 August 23, 2004 That's just f$%*#@g stupid. Please don't lump sum all Christians in with Catholics. The Eucharist is for all Christians and not just Catholics and certainly not just for those Christians who aren't allergic to wheat. It seems that Catholics are way more concerned with the tradition rather than the meaning behind it. It’s almost like the “tradition”, hierarchy, structure, organization, is their idol. It makes me think of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #3 August 23, 2004 Read up on it. By your logic Christians should also drink rat poison sans fear. This post is yet another example of the prevalency of last acceptable prejudice - against Christians, and Catholics in particular. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #4 August 23, 2004 Cnn picked up on it now? This story broke a while back and I thought then the same thing I think now. Catholoism, as a whole, has lost its base in Christianity and has put its rites and traditions infront of what the Bible actually says. So me in the Bible it says you *have* to take communion to go to heaven. Its not in there. Not even in the read words.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #5 August 23, 2004 Quote, has lost its base in Christianity and has put its rites and traditions infront of what the Bible actually says. Agreed. Whatever happened to "Thou shalt not have false idols"... ? Organised religion sometimes crosses that boundary between bing a facilitator of worship and the being only way you are allowed to worship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #6 August 23, 2004 So I take it that you agree that anyone allergic to wheat gets a quick trip to hell? No ifs ands or buts. Gluten allergy, you're condemned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #7 August 23, 2004 QuoteCatholoism, as a whole, has lost its base in Christianity and has put its rites and traditions infront of what the Bible actually says. Absolutely. And they are paying the price for it. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #8 August 23, 2004 >This post is yet another example of the prevalency of last acceptable prejudice . . . Hmm. As our president has proposed a constitutional amendment to ban gays from marriage, there's another huge one that's not only acceptable, but encouraged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #9 August 23, 2004 QuoteRead up on it. By your logic Christians should also drink rat poison sans fear. some sects do exactly that, using the same scripture as reason...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #10 August 23, 2004 I typed the whole thing out and delete it just now. What a hater. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #12 August 23, 2004 Seems pretty obvious to me this is just like when God tested Abraham or whoever it was by asking him to kill his brother or son or someone as a test of his faith. God created the little girl with this disorder for a reason. He clearly wants her to put aside her fears, demonstrate her faith in Him and take communion anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #13 August 23, 2004 QuoteGod created the little girl with this disorder for a reason. He clearly wants her to put aside her fears, demonstrate her faith in Him and take communion anyway. Please tell me you're not actually saying she should take a substance she has a known allergy to?Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #14 August 23, 2004 Seriously? And if the medics say she's gonna die... God's gonna keep her safe right? What if she does die... is that because God wanted her dead? Well that's sorted then... all I gotta do is go to church and take communion, then I won't need a parachute on my next jump - I'll put my fears aside and demonstrate my faith in him. God will take care of me and I'll land fine unharmed... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #15 August 23, 2004 I think he's being sarcastic. At least I hope so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #16 August 23, 2004 QuoteGod created the little girl with this disorder for a reason. Not quite. If you study Christian theology there's a few basic things that are "known" to be "true." 1. God is perfect 2. Man was perfectly designed in His image and then opened his self imperfections through his freewill and the choice of sin (Adam and Eve). Thus God created a whole being and due to the curse of sin on the earth, that wholeness has been overcome (until the book of Revolations comes to pass). Do I believe all of that? Well, that's a very very long discussion about my personal spiritual beliefs. That's just some basic "average" Christian theology. (I say average since there are so many variations on the Christian beliefs that there isn't much of a true central belief system anymore).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #17 August 23, 2004 QuoteWell that's sorted then... all I gotta do is go to church and take communion, then I won't need a parachute on my next jump - I'll put my fears aside and demonstrate my faith in him. God will take care of me and I'll land fine unharmed... right? Right!... Unless God really wants you dead of course.... Remember you ARE a Lawyer!!! Mike. . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #18 August 23, 2004 QuoteI think he's being sarcastic. At least I hope so So do I.... Edited to reply to mike: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #19 August 23, 2004 You lost me there. Are you saying that God didn't make her that way? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #20 August 23, 2004 Au contraire, Monsieur. You heard outrage from a lot of folks over the proposed ammendment. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #21 August 23, 2004 Quote You lost me there. Are you saying that God didn't make her that way? Ok, this is very basic Christian theology... People like to think that if a child is involved that God automatically is involved and it must be God. God made 3 people, basically, the rest are the continuation of his creation, the same creation that is tainted by the curse of sin. God made Adam, god made Eve from Adam and god (the holy spirit) knocked Mary up. So over simplified, yes God made that little girl, but he didn't have a direct hand in it, it happened due to the continuation of his creation. His creation is no longer perfect due to Lucifier's hand and Adam's freewill. The overall point is that the Vatican has overlooked the point of Christianity for more then a few hundred years. The point is Jesus died to provide grace, grace forgives of our sins now, yesterday and tomorrow. Confessing our sins to our brothers and sisters in Christ is a healthy thing to do, but not required. Nothing is fully required to recieve God's grace but the acceptance of it. You can't live without sin and praying to Mary isn't going to help you, that's why there's Jesus and he gave us grace. Communion has nothing to do with grace, it started as something to help bond the diciples together before a time of great stress and peril. So with this grace we have a free card to go do what we want? Nope, Paul wrote about this in Romans (go look it up). Bottom line of this theological discussion: God created all things including man. Sin was accepted into man's life due to his free will. That sin tainted the perfect creation. Thus God's once perfect creation has been altered. Second point: Communion has nothing to do with recieving God's grace nor does it have anything to do with going to heaven. Its a cool tradition that has meaning within the "Christian lifestyle." Third point: If you're going to conform to a particular religion, study the damn thing, choosing spiritual beliefs is a big deal and shouldn't be done blindly. Read, study, pray (if you pray) and study different forms of the religion you're looking at. Also study other regligions. You'll learn a lot about yourself, about others and you'll have a clear cut understanding of your spiritual beliefs.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #22 August 23, 2004 >You heard outrage from a lot of folks over the proposed ammendment. Of course; but as our president is proposing the amendment, it is surely acceptable to talk about that particular prejudice. Fortunately most people object to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #23 August 23, 2004 Excellent post, AggieDave. I agree 100%. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #24 August 23, 2004 Wait, does this mean that recovering alcoholics are also required to drink the wine? Do Catholics still use real wine for Communion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #25 August 23, 2004 QuoteDo Catholics still use real wine for Communion? Yup, that's why I go to church every sunday. Funny story, I went one sunday and not many people were drinking the wine, so when I approached and started to sip, the priest whispered to me "Take a big one" I almost busted laughing, but as good catholic I am, I took a big one...nice buzz. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
