TheAnvil 0 #1 August 23, 2004 OK. Does it disgust you that the current hot topic in electing the head of the executive branch of government of our great nation is who did what where and when 30+ years ago? I wish it were tax reform, Social Security reform, or even the prospect of power plants powered by turnip greens. I am disgusted. Yours in agave, Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #2 August 23, 2004 I thought the hot topic seemed to be who was the bigger liar... (ok, guess the two are linked). Just my observation from away over the seas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #3 August 23, 2004 Yes. The whole smear/counter-smear thing is making the US democratic process appear childish, dishonest and underhand. Its making headlines around the globe and is hardly a great advert for democracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #4 August 23, 2004 Those are all very important topics, however, nothing is as important as the security of our nation. That has to be first and foremost. What somebody did in wartime 30+ years ago is still very important in reference to their moral integrity, character, and trustworthiness. Those, IMO, are some of the most important characteristics that I want present in the person that I vote for President. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #5 August 23, 2004 or even the prospect of power plants powered by turnip greens-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------You trying to put me outta work? I build those things. We would need more illegals to grow more turnip greens then we have to give them all D/L s and and on and onI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #6 August 23, 2004 No disgust really......more like business as usual with our great 2 party system.....I guess I'm getting used to it so I tend to ignore it more and more.Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #7 August 23, 2004 Wow I actually can agree on something with the Anvil (I am disgusted). This election is rediculous as it's nothing more than a smear campaign on both sides and who did what and who didn't do what many many moons ago. Who cares about what happened 30 years ago, I care about what will happen in the coming years. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdweller 0 #8 August 23, 2004 Actually I find it very humorous. It's funny watching people getting worked up over silly things.------------------------------------------------------ "From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" C. Montgomery Burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #9 August 23, 2004 Humorous? Absolutely. But only because it's NOT my country's elections. Worrying? VERY. Both sides have shown the opposing candidate to be dishonest. Both are focusing on "He's the bigger liar than me" when there doesn't seem to be that much in it. Unfortunately, we in the UK are no longer in a position to offer you Screaming Lord Sutch as a presidential candidate (at least you'd KNOW what you're getting - Honest Lunacy). We could, however, perhaps lend you Iain Duncan Smith. OK, his track record in elections and party leadership isn't all that good... And he could very well be Britain's most boring man... But he DOES have a verifiable military service record. Mike. . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #10 August 23, 2004 I think its stupid. I don't care what either Bush or Kerry did or didn't do during Vietnam. What's important is what's happened in the last four years, and what's going to happen in the next four. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #11 August 23, 2004 QuoteThose are all very important topics, however, nothing is as important as the security of our nation. That has to be first and foremost. What somebody did in wartime 30+ years ago is still very important in reference to their moral integrity, character, and trustworthiness. Those, IMO, are some of the most important characteristics that I want present in the person that I vote for President. I disagree. What happened or was done 30 years ago doesn't matter much. No one is the same person they are now as 30 years ago, values and morality grow and change with time as people mature, for better or for worse. It is better to evaluate a person's behavior in the more recent past than dredge up 30 year old possibilities that are sketchy on both sides as to what actually happened. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #12 August 23, 2004 "But he DOES have a verifiable military service record. " Hell Mike, even our useless fat lazy Royal Family mostly have service records, some even on wartime active service.....-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #13 August 23, 2004 QuoteWhat somebody did in wartime 30+ years ago is still very important in reference to their moral integrity, character, and trustworthiness. Those, IMO, are some of the most important characteristics that I want present in the person that I vote for President. If you truly believe that, then how is it possible for you to overlook alcoholism, cocaine, drunk driving, etc.? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #14 August 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhat somebody did in wartime 30+ years ago is still very important in reference to their moral integrity, character, and trustworthiness. Those, IMO, are some of the most important characteristics that I want present in the person that I vote for President. If you truly believe that, then how is it possible for you to overlook alcoholism, cocaine, drunk driving, etc.? I think it's pertinent to look at when examining a Presidential candidate. Particularly, if there's a continuing pattern of behavior. The original question had to do with whether we liked or disliked the idea that we're discussing a candidate's past from that long ago. I just think it's important to consider the big picture. If you're going to run for President, you will be scrutinized. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #15 August 23, 2004 Quotedredge up 30 year old possibilities Who drudged it up though? Kerry started running on his service record... he made it an issue... If you put something on your resume, be prepaird to answer questions about it. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #16 August 23, 2004 QuoteWho drudged it up though? Kerry started running on his service record... he made it an issue... If you put something on your resume, be prepaird to answer questions about it. I wasn't disputing that the candidates are a big part of the problem with this. Hell, if it wasn't for them constantly yammering on the past, it would have fallen out of the news ages ago. I don't give a flying rat's ass about 30 years ago, I want to see concrete plans for what they will do in the future. Of course, neither candidate excels at 'concreteness' Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #17 August 23, 2004 Quote I wasn't disputing that the candidates are a big part of the problem with this. Hell, if it wasn't for them constantly yammering on the past, it would have fallen out of the news ages ago. I don't give a flying rat's ass about 30 years ago, I want to see concrete plans for what they will do in the future. Of course, neither candidate excels at 'concreteness' Jen Well that will be up to the people that have a brain - right - Neither one of the four horsemen have one of those.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcrocker 0 #18 August 23, 2004 QuoteThose are all very important topics, however, nothing is as important as the security of our nation. That has to be first and foremost. What somebody did in wartime 30+ years ago is still very important in reference to their moral integrity, character, and trustworthiness. Those, IMO, are some of the most important characteristics that I want present in the person that I vote for President. By 'security of our nation' what do you mean? Physical security of the land that makes up our country? You won't be able to stop someone from blowing up a building/train/airplane. Where there is a will, there is a way. A 30 foot wall surrounding our country will NOT stop terrorism. Security of our society and way of life? The economy has a bigger effect on our way of life than a truck bomb in a major city. Education and energy are HUGE drivers for our economy. Securing our Educational system and energy systems should be 'mission critical'. We have to stop thinking about today and plan for the future. We need to spend money to free our economy from the energy brokers (OPEC). We need to invest in our future by increasing our national literacy rate. We need to see a change in our higher education systems. Education today = Economy tomorrow. Economy = Military power = Security = Way of Life. Our economy (vast military spending) and technology (education, R&D) is what broke our last enemies back (USSR). We need to drop the cost of energy in this country. We can do it using many technologies (Pebble Bed Reactors, Fuel Cells, Hybrid cars, Bio-Desiel). We need to stop sending our energy money to countries that hate the U.S., our way of life. To answer the original post, Yes, it does disgust me how the media and major political partys sling mud every chance they get. I don't see either candidate with an answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcrocker 0 #19 August 23, 2004 QuoteQuotedredge up 30 year old possibilities Who drudged it up though? Kerry started running on his service record... he made it an issue... If you put something on your resume, be prepaird to answer questions about it. J Yes but Bush could have taken the high road and stuck to the issues that are truly facing this country. Sticks and stones and all that. This election looks like it is being run by a bunch of people who failed kindergarten. Kindergarten is where you learn how to share and be nice to people. Bush and Kerry (their campaign managers actually) are equally in bad taste with their smear campaigns. It would be refreshing for a candidate to tactfully brush off a mud slinging comment and continue on with their message. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #20 August 23, 2004 QuoteOK. Does it disgust you that the current hot topic in electing the head of the executive branch of government of our great nation is who did what where and when 30+ years ago? I wish it were tax reform, Social Security reform, or even the prospect of power plants powered by turnip greens. A reasonable reduction in our excessive taxes isn't sustainable without reducing spending. Congress isn't going to do that. In theory our 12.4% social security tax is going into a trust fund, although in practice Congress borrows from the fund so it's just another regressive tax on our first $87,900 in earnings. Before this can go into a real retirement plan, Congress has to stop spending the money on other things. They aren't going to do that. The viability of turnip-green powered generating plants is dependant on the spending ratio between the turnip-farmers and fossil fuel lobbies. It's not up for grabs in an election. The only things you can do are 1) attack the other candidate's character 2) scare people about what he might do (especially in regards to abortion, gun control, jobs, and taxes) 3) counter the other candidate's attempts at #1 and #2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #21 August 23, 2004 Quote"But he DOES have a verifiable military service record. " Hell Mike, even our useless fat lazy Royal Family mostly have service records, some even on wartime active service..... Brilliant idea!!!... And I hear that the Americans actually like them... So the problem's solved by the Americans taking our Royal Family! (Our problem, not their problem). Mike. PS: Love the new avatar. You haven't been "shopping" again have you? Say in Norway? Over the weekend? . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #22 August 23, 2004 QuoteBush could have taken the high road and stuck to the issues Would someone please prove that the Bush campaign is behind these ads... there are plenty of accusations being thrown about, but no proof. Bush has condemned the ads, and others from 527 organizations... Will Kerry do the same? JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #23 August 23, 2004 Has Bush condemned them? I know he's said he's not associated with the 527 organizations (well, his people have), but has he condemned the SwiftVets ads? I haven't heard about his having actually condemned them. I don't have anything to do with the Olympics, after all, but neither do I condemn them Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcrocker 0 #24 August 23, 2004 QuoteWould someone please prove that the Bush campaign is behind these ads... there are plenty of accusations being thrown about, but no proof. Bush has condemned the ads, and others from 527 organizations... Will Kerry do the same? J If it wasn't Bush or the Bush campaign then it was over zealous Republican supporters. Either way it makes Bush look bad. Come to think of it, Maybe it is a master plan of Kerry to smear himself to make Bush look bad. Or.. Maybe it was Bush so he could deny it to make Kerry look bad for attempting to make Bush look bad. Where did I put my tin foil hat? The entire campaign advertising/soft money thing is so convoluted it would be impossible to prove/disprove involvemnt by the campaign. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #25 August 23, 2004 Yes, he condemned then today in a press conference... No he did not name them specifically, but his respose was to a question that did specifically name the Swift Boat ad, and he said something to the effect that he condemned those ads, and all 527 ads, that they are wrong for the process...All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
