Kennedy 0 #1 August 22, 2004 This thread is for multiple articles because I don't want to start a dozen threads, but want to share what I've been reading. Article #1 http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=2194370&nav=0hBEQ1rx QuoteAug. 19 - The Morgan County sheriff's department is getting a new crime fighting tool. It's a military helicopter, donated to the department for use in the field. The sheriff's department spent 5 weeks on engine repairs, new glass, and repainting. Now the chopper is ready to take to the air. Morgan County Sheriff Greg Bartlett said, "Oh, this is a great thing for the sheriff's department. What money we've used to refurbish this thing has come out of pistol permit money. It's not been anything out of, any tax payers have had to pay for this. So this is a good thing for the county." The sheriff says his deputies will use the helicopter to look for suspects, missing persons, and in drug busts. So much for permit fees only covering the cost of background checks and administration of the program, huh?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #2 August 22, 2004 Article #2 http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-040820handgun,1,3635448.story?coll=chi-news-hed Quote SPRINGFIELD -- Gov. Rod Blagojevich vetoed a bill Friday meant to provide legal protection for homeowners who violate local gun ordinances by shooting intruders. The legislation was a response to the heavily publicized case of Hale DeMar, a Wilmette restaurant owner who in December shot a burglar who had broken into his home twice. Cook County prosecutors declined to press criminal charges against DeMar, but Wilmette officials charged him with violating the suburb's ban on handguns. DeMar is challenging the constitutionality of the ordinance. The bill the governor vetoed Friday would have allowed people in situations like DeMar's to argue self-defense if charged with violating such an ordinance. It would not have guaranteed the defendant wouldn't be convicted. Blagojevich said he vetoed the measure because he believed it would encourage people in cities such as Wilmette to buy handguns and hide them. The measure could still become law. It passed both houses of the General Assembly by large enough margins that similar votes in this fall's veto session could override the governor's action.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #3 August 22, 2004 Article #3 http://www.komotv.com/kenschram/story.asp?ID=32648 QuoteI was only gone a week. It seemed like such a brief time, until I started catching up on things. There was Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels thinking he could starve the homeless into submission by outlawing an evening feeding program. Someone must've explained what a dumbass he looked like because the mayor suddenly changed his mind. Meanwhile, tent city packed up and moved from Bothell to Woodinville. Some Greg Nickels wannabes went to court to try and block that move, claiming the city made a "rash" decision to allow the encampment on public land. They lost the legal fight, leaving them to go cry on the shoulders of Bothell residents. Then there are the gun freaks who have their cylinders spinning. A woman whose husband killed their grandson before then killing himself has suggested a 5-day waiting period for handgun purchases should be extended to include those guns purchased from private sellers. Of course 2nd Amendment freaks think that's unconstitutional. But then those kind of people think .38 caliber pistols make great baby shower gifts. I think changing the law should be a no-brainer, which - given our legislature and the NRA - means that's not likely. All in all, the week was a lot longer than I first thought. Why are people claiming protection under the 1st Amendment labeled as 'responsible journalists,' while those claiming 2nd Amendment protections are called '2nd Amendment freaks?'witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #4 August 22, 2004 QuoteThis thread is for multiple articles because I don't want to start a dozen threads, but want to share what I've been reading. Article #1 http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=2194370&nav=0hBEQ1rx QuoteAug. 19 - The Morgan County sheriff's department is getting a new crime fighting tool. It's a military helicopter, donated to the department for use in the field. The sheriff's department spent 5 weeks on engine repairs, new glass, and repainting. Now the chopper is ready to take to the air. Morgan County Sheriff Greg Bartlett said, "Oh, this is a great thing for the sheriff's department. What money we've used to refurbish this thing has come out of pistol permit money. It's not been anything out of, any tax payers have had to pay for this. So this is a good thing for the county." The sheriff says his deputies will use the helicopter to look for suspects, missing persons, and in drug busts. So much for permit fees only covering the cost of background checks and administration of the program, huh? The sheriff says, "It's not been anything out of, any tax payers have had to pay for this." Ohhh, those fees can't be considered taxes, then. Nice distinction without a difference. And if the helo is gonna be used for drug busts, why not pay for it out of the confiscated money and cars and planes and speedboats from the drug busts?! Kennedy, are you sure you want to go into law enforcement? A good guy like you, with principles and morals, is gonna be LOST in a soulless world like that. These guys are fuckin' megalomaniacs. I tried to get into law enforcement up in NY a while back, (11 years ago) and it didn't pan out. I'm glad now that it didn't. (And not just because I might have been in the WTC wreckage.) You're right. This shit is disturbing. Not only do they lie about the money for the pistol permits, they don't give a fuck that right out in the open, they're telling the people who paid that permit money, "Fuck you. It's our money to play with now. You don't matter as much as the 'taxpayers' we don't want to piss off." --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #5 August 22, 2004 QuoteKennedy, are you sure you want to go into law enforcement? A good guy like you, with principles and morals, is gonna be LOST in a soulless world like that. It's what I do. I still laugh every time my mom talks about the first time I got sent to the principal's office in grade school, and got "the phone call home." My parents were actually proud of me. I don't remember it, but I'm told I got into a fight with an older kid because they wouldn't stop picking on a kid who was in my class. Of course, if I tried that now, I'd probably be expelled on some zero intelligence tolerance policy. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #6 August 22, 2004 Article #4 http://www.lowcountrynow.com/stories/082004/LOCdeputyfuneral.shtml Quote Hundreds of men and women - many of them in uniform - turned out Thursday to pay final respects to a slain Beaufort County deputy. Five days after Robert Odam was gunned down while off duty in Richland County, a memorial was held to remember the 22-year-old deputy, husband and friend. More than 150 police officers stood at attention as Odam's family entered the Baptist Church of Beaufort and as his young widow and brother left an hour later, sobbing and clutching American flags. "We're here in support of our fallen deputy," said Beaufort County Sheriff P.J. Tanner after the service. "Although he didn't die in the line of duty - he was murdered - he was a deputy and it means a lot to (these deputies) to pay last respects to a fellow officer and a comrade." Odam was fatally shot Saturday afternoon while visiting his wife's family in Eastover. After target shooting with his brothers-in-law, he was gunned down by a neighbor who claimed someone killed his cat, police say. The neighbor, Thomas G. Rye, 58, of Columbia, claimed he shot Odam in self-defense while Odam was trespassing. Richland County deputies say evidence doesn't support his claim that Odam fired first and Rye has been charged with murder. Odam joined the Beaufort County Sheriff's Office just one year ago and was assigned to patrol Bluffton, where he lived with his wife, Erin. Deputies who knew him well and some who didn't know him at all wore black bands around their badges Thursday. They were joined by officers from Marion, Westminster, Ridgeland, Charleston County, Myrtle Beach, Port Royal and Beaufort. State troopers, plantation security officers and firefighters also attended the memorial service. Beaufort County Staff Sgt. Alfredo Givens played "Taps" on his trumpet as the service came to a close. Deputies lined up and stood at attention outside the church as Odam's family left in tears. Anyone else reminded of the first account given by law enforcement of the shoot out on Ruby Ridge? Somehow I'm thinking the deceased's friends might not be the best choice to investiage his killer (note I said killer, not murderer). This one could really go either way. Was the deputy trespassing and shooting at someone else's pets? Or is the guy on trial so screwed up that he shot the first person he saw? All I know is the article says "Richland County deputies say evidence doesn't support his claim that Odam fired first and Rye has been charged with murder." It doesn't say that the deceased wasn't trespassing or that he didn't fire his weapon; only that his freinds say evidence doesn't agree with his killer. edit to insert urlwitty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #7 August 22, 2004 Article #5 http://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/news/stories/20040819/opinion/1078837.html QuoteClyde has been temporarily barred from prohibiting concealed weapons in city parks. And there is the very real possibility that the injunction could be come permanent. But something's seriously wrong here, and it appears to be up to the state legislature to correct the situation. In response to a motion by the Second Amendment advocacy group Ohioans for Concealed Carry Inc., Sandusky County Common Pleas Court Judge Harry Sargeant last week granted a temporary restraining order prohibiting Clyde from enforcing its ban on legally concealed weapons in city parks. The court action has been anticipated because Clyde officials have resisted demands from the advocacy group, which believes the Clyde law is unconstitutional. The Ohio concealed carry law, which went into effect this year, lists places, including public buildings, where concealed weapons may be banned. The law does not, however, list public parks as being among those places where bans are permitted. Clyde officials have said they believe they can ban guns from their parks because Clyde is a charter government city. However, in urging Clyde to rescind the ordinance, Ohioans for Concealed Carry pointed out that the state law says, "No municipal corporation may adopt or continue in existence and ordinance ... that attempts to restrict the places where a person possessing a valid license to carry a concealed handgun may carry a handgun concealed." That's too bad. # Let's get this straight: A city can ban skateboarders from parks, but it cannot ban guns. # A city can ban grilling in parks, but it cannot ban guns. # A city can ban loitering in parks, but it cannot ban deadly weapons. # A city can ban dogs from parks, but it cannot ban guns. # A city can ban vendors from parks, but it cannot ban guns. # A city can ban bicycles and motor vehicles from parks, but it cannot ban guns. The list can go on and on. We think Reps. Jeff Wagner and Chris Redfern and State Sens. Larry Mumper and Randy Gardner should step up to the plate for Clyde and other Ohio cities that want to keep their parks gun-free. It's called preemption. State legislatures do it when county or city governments are restricting rights that are not theirs to govern.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #8 August 22, 2004 Article #6 http://edition.cnn.com/2004/LAW/08/20/school.drug.raid.ap/ QuoteNo criminal charges in school gun raid CHARLESTON, South Carolina (AP) -- A guns-drawn raid at a high school last year did not violate civil rights laws and the case is closed, the U.S. Justice Department said. The decision means there will be no criminal charges, said Andy Savage, a lawyer for officers in the sweep at the Goose Creek high school. Fifteen officers entered Stratford High School's main hallway and ordered 130 students to the floor November 5 of last year. They used plastic ties to handcuff 18 students and school officials opened and searched 17 book bags using a drug dog. Police found no drugs or weapons, but the raid frightened children, provoked marches and lawsuits and brought national media attention and the resignation of the school's longtime principal. Civil lawsuits alleging students' constitutional rights were violated still remain, and settlement negotiations recently broke down. This speaks for itself.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #9 August 22, 2004 Article #7 http://kobtv.com/index.cfm?viewer=storyviewer&id=13178&cat=HOME QuoteFARMINGTON, N.M. (AP) - The Farmington Police Department has destroyed 114 pistols, rifles, and other firearms seized in recent years or turned in by residents who wanted them destroyed. The guns were destroyed Thursday under a court order. It’s been about four years since the Farmington police last destroyed guns from its evidence unit. The guns were cut up by Farmington welder Rocky Ellis. He used a cutting torch to ensure none of the parts could be refurbished. He split the barrels, melted the pins, and destroyed the serial numbers. Police Captain Bob Bussey says the city used to auction off guns no longer needed as evidence. But he says Farmington didn’t want to put confiscated weapons back on the street. I guess they'd rather spend taxpayers money destroying things than bring in revenue by auctioning off items to law abiding (and background checked) citizens. It's good to know that they want to keep guns "off the streets," even those in the hands of honest people.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #10 August 22, 2004 Ok, I have to address #7. My state enacted a law to where we have to auction off the guns that end up in police property. Before that we destroyed all our evidentuary/confiscated firearms. The intent was good, the money by statute goes to buy body armor. This benefits mainly small rural departments. The rest of us suffer from the road made of good intentions. The money we receive is minimal, most of the guns are complete pieces of shit, and even "honest citizens" have circumstances where the firearms get out of their hands and end up back on the street. No matter what way we look at it, we (law enforcement) end up with the potential to be the meat in a shit sandwich as always. This time for no reason. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #11 August 22, 2004 Oh and I agree with you on #6. That was REALLY fucked up! "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #12 August 22, 2004 I guess that depends on what you guys have to auction off. QuoteWest Virginia State Police will receive about $41,000 from the recent auction of surplus shotguns, sniper rifles and machine guns. The unwanted firearms were put up for auction earlier this month after the State Police decided to clean out its weapons locker. The agency received more than 30 bids for the weapons. A Norinco machine gun, which resembles an AK-47, attracted the highest bid of $9,854, said Ken Frye, assistant director of the state's surplus property division. The State Police also sold two Cobray machine guns, an Uzi pistol and three Uzi semiautomatics that it received from a gun collector who had been convicted of a felony. Only holders of Class 3 firearms permits or Class 2 manufacturers were allowed to bid on the machine guns and Uzis. I do wish they'd stop calling every rifle either a "sniper rifle" or an "assault weapon/rifle." Jeez, do they just hate all rifles, or what? Oh yeah....they do. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #13 August 22, 2004 That's different. Those are going to be high quality weapons. We traded in our old Glock 19's to a dealer and the price of the new ones factored in the sale price of the old ones, which saved us money. I don't have a problem with that. Guns in property (at least in our case) are mainly pieces of shit. Ravens, Hi-points, etc. The long guns normally are poorly maintained. There are exceptions, but these guns have no reason to be back on the street. Plus we used to keep the good ones for training and special assignments, the new law prevented us from doing this anymore. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #14 August 22, 2004 Quote That's different. Those are going to be high quality weapons. We traded in our old Glock 19's to a dealer and the price of the new ones factored in the sale price of the old ones, which saved us money. I don't have a problem with that. Anyone who does is just ridiculous. QuoteGuns in property (at least in our case) are mainly pieces of shit. Ravens, Hi-points, etc. The long guns normally are poorly maintained. There are exceptions, but these guns have no reason to be back on the street. That was what I dealt with for the most part when I worked with the FEU in PG County PD (Maryland). We did have one very nice condition full size full auto UZI. Damn thing chewed up brand new cases beyond recognition though. Oh yeah, and uzi pistols are POS. QuotePlus we used to keep the good ones for training and special assignments, the new law prevented us from doing this anymore. That's the worst part of all. Now they want to deprive citiznes of the chance of own property and deny cops effective tools. Does the law allow for your Firearms people keeping a firearm that they don't have (or you passing the gun onto an FEU if you don't have one)?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #15 August 22, 2004 QuoteSo much for permit fees only covering the cost of background checks and administration of the program, huh? Who ever said that it had to? And before everybody freaks out and labels me a "gun control freak", I am all for responsible gun ownership under the protection of the second ammendment. I guess what I am saying is, why is this tax (and make no mistake, at the end of the day, that's what it is) any different from all the others? The money I pay for car registration fees goes all over the flippin' place (here in CA, anyways). I mean, what's the big deal? If the argument is that the public is being misled about what the fees are going to, that is a different issue. But if not, I genuinely don't understand the uproar. Edited to add: Yo, Kennedy, "Go Terps!". I used to bartend at Bentleys and Santa Fe... And the 'Vous, but that was probably before your time..."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #16 August 23, 2004 Not sure what you mean by FEU. We HAD a real nice stainless PPK that was taken from a bag guy. Our narcs used it because of it's quality and concealability. This saved taxpayers because we didn't have to buy that type of gun for that mission. The new law prevents us from doing that anymore (I think). I'm not sure what happended to the gun. I think it was auctioned but I'm not sure. It's been several years and I'm out of that loop now. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #17 August 23, 2004 QuoteA woman whose husband killed their grandson before then killing himself has suggested a 5-day waiting period for handgun purchases should be extended to include those guns purchased from private sellers. Let me get this straight: "My family is so screwed up that we need the government to step in and protect us from ourselves." What's that old saying? "Healer, heal theyself?"-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #18 August 23, 2004 Sorry. FEU = Firearms Examination Unit, e.g. ballistics, evidence comparison, etc. Well, the PGPD FEU had some very nice examples. I don't know how they canme by them all, but I'm fairly sure nobody on this side of the law paid for them. That room's worth was beyond measure. Even without the full auto pieces, it must've been worth over $100,000.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #19 August 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteA woman whose husband killed their grandson before then killing himself has suggested a 5-day waiting period for handgun purchases should be extended to include those guns purchased from private sellers. Let me get this straight: "My family is so screwed up that we need the government to step in and protect us from ourselves." What's that old saying? "Healer, heal theyself?" Why would this have helped? Did he buy the gun within five days of wigging out? Even if he did, why should people who already own a firearm have to wait five days? Couldn't they just use the one they already have?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #20 August 23, 2004 Article #8 http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/9455569.htm?ERIGHTS=305178661501465802kansascity::newslinks@keepandbeararms.com&KRD_RM=7npvqrtuvttrwrquotnnnnnnnn|Keep|Y QuoteMan charged in Independence slaying By LINDA MAN The Kansas City Star Authorities allege that a Sugar Creek man ignored pleas for mercy earlier this week before killing his estranged wife's fiance in Independence. Dennis Miller, 47, was charged today in Jackson County Circuit Court with beating his estranged wife and shooting James P. Hughes to death. Miller was charged with first-degree murder, first-degree assault and two counts of armed criminal action. Hughes was killed about 7:35 a.m. Thursday in the 600 block of Ponca Drive where Hughes and his fiancée lived. According to court documents, Hughes dialed 911 on his cell phone and was heard begging Miller to stop. Hughes' fiancée told police that she was sleeping when she heard a loud bang. She said Miller charged into her bedroom and tried to stop her from fleeing. The woman got away and ran to a neighbor's home for help. Police found Hughes outside his home with a bullet wound in the chest. Officers arrested Miller inside the house. Miller pleaded guilty this year to tampering a motor vehicle and violating a protection order. He received two years' probation. Miller's estranged wife had been granted several protection orders against him since 1990. Miller's bond was set at $500,000 cash. So a man who breaks into a home, executes the legal resident, attacks the woman inside, and is only stopped becuase he is arrested, should be sentenced to TWO YEARS PROBATION?!?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #21 August 23, 2004 Article #9 QuoteOff-Duty Officer Shoots, Kills Teen Family In Disbelief, Upset Over Gun Use BALTIMORE -- A teenager is dead Friday night after an off-duty police officer shot him in the back. D'Koy Dancy, 14, died after a Maryland Department of Health and Mental Hygiene police officer shot him. Police said Officer Ronald Johnson thought Dancy and another teen were breaking into his shed behind his house in the 5000 block on Lindsey Road Friday night, WBAL-TV 11 News Crissandra Spencer reported. Johnson told police the shooting was an accident because he stumbled over something and his gun fired. But Dancy's family sees things a little differently. "His last words to me were: 'Daddy, I'm on my way home, make sure the back door is unlocked,' " the victim's father, James Dancy, said. "It wasn't an accident, he picked up a gun. That's the main issue for me, he picked it up." The gun in question was Johnson's Glock handgun. "If you're shooting with those .40-caliber Glocks that this man used, you put a gun like that in your hands, it's murder," James Dancy said. "Caliber aside, he should not have had a gun in his home," the victim's mother, Tonnette Dancy, said. The Dancys said their adopted son was a normal teenager who had a couple of encounters with police. But they said he was respectful, loved hanging out and had an affinity for dirt bikes. D'Koy wanted a dirt bike for his birthday, but he was told he wasn't going to get one. Friends said D'Koy and another teen may have been trying to get a dirt bike out of Johnson's shed, Spencer reported. "A dirt bike on both ends caused my son's death. His pursuing a dirt bike and the man trying to protect it," James Dancy said. The Dancys said they have heard talk of retaliation, but they have warned against it. They said more violence is not the answer and it will not bring back their son. "I'll never see him married, I'll never hold my grandchildren," Tonnette Dancy said. "My final words to my son would be: 'Thank you for the life and the love you've given me,' " James Dancy said. Johnson is currently being held in Baltimore's Central Booking, 11 News reported. So according to the dead kid's father, he's had "a few run ins with police," and he said he was on his way home when in fact he was stopping to commit B&E and grand larceny. Also, what is that ridiculous line about holding a .40 caliber Glocks being the same as murder? I've held them. No one ever accused me of murder for it. This is getting scary. I'm not even putting in that much effort to find these articles. I wonder if I'm even seeing the entire tip of the iceburg.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
