Iraqi soccer players angered by Bush campaign ads featuring team

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He qualified that by saying if you didn't protect your child from a rapist. And I agree with him.

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Let's say that your son was raped in a prison after being arrested for no reason. What would you do then? Suppose the guy in charge of the occupation said you should be grateful to him for "freeing" your son. Would you be grateful?

Although I wouldn't like it in any way - I would understand it - It's called Big Picture.

BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT!

Can't help it. I call bullshit. You would NOT understand it. You would NOT see 'big picture' over the innocense of your family. Bullshit.

Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

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It's nice to have the freedom to bitch about other people's actions

Dang dude ... Iraqis are not free. They're just living under a different dictator (GWB) that's all.

Oh, puhlease. This kind of hyperbolic pap earns you no respect for this view. Likening Bush to Hussein? How can you expect to be taken seriously? Are the Olympic team members now being tortured for failing to win Gold? (They were under that psychopath Hussein.) Are civilians being gassed? (The were under that psychopath Hussein.)

The sick thing about this article, and the views of the soccer players (yeah, they're about as useful for understanding the political climate there as asking Susan Sarandon what she thinks of it) is that at the same time as they're happy to be free of Uday Hussein and the steel eye-spiking boxes that he put on their heads, they don't like what Bush did in Iraq. Funny, if he didn't do what he did, they would be stuck with the torture. And one guy's buddies and such got killed while fighting as insurgents? Well, gee, if you weren't fighting the people who just freed you from your tyrant, you wouldn't get killed now, would you? If they're fighting the liberators, doesn't that mean they preferred the dictator? WTF?

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-Jeffrey
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The only question that remains is - do you want the guy that made that mistake to remain in office? (Rhetorical question; I know your answer.)

When it comes to Bush, you want him removed from office for making mistakes, and you want to deny him the chance to fix things up and set them right.

If this were a rapist or murderer, like Nathaniel Brazill who murdered his teacher here in Florida a couple years ago, the typical liberal response is, "He made a mistake. We shouldn't lock him away for the rest of his life. He could still become a productive member of society. We should give him another chance."

So how about it? The Liberal Second Chance. I think Bush deserves one. Don't you? It's only fair. He can still be a productive member of society. Let's not just waste the rest of his life.

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-Jeffrey
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The sick thing about this article, and the views of the soccer players (yeah, they're about as useful for understanding the political climate there as asking Susan Sarandon what she thinks of it) is that at the same time as they're happy to be free of Uday Hussein and the steel eye-spiking boxes that he put on their heads, they don't like what Bush did in Iraq.

Why wouldn't you value the opinions of the people who actually live there?

This seems like a very simple concept to me. Do they want the torture to end? Of course they do. Would they be willing to sacrifice their families for it? No.

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It's nice to have the freedom to bitch about other people's actions

Dang dude ... Iraqis are not free. They're just living under a different dictator (GWB) that's all. Plus I have one question for you. If a foreign army invaded your homeland, what would you do? Proclaim the invading army defenders of your freedom? Ya right ... LOL ...

The Iraqis were clearly very happy to be liberated, even though it had to be done by invading. Don't you remember all the people putting the smack down on SH's picture with their shoes? I think it was not staged, it reflected the sentiment of the vast majority.

It is just since having to face the harsh reality that decades of decay/neglect cannot be fixed so quickly that there is so much discontent.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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This kind of hyperbolic pap earns you no respect for this view.

You think I give a rats ass about whether or not some d###b on the internet respects me just because I slammed his beloved president? Dude you need to spend more time jumping and less time spewing your partisan political views. Slam me all you want (as we know you will as you always must get that last word in), but I'm out of here. It's time to go play volleyball, have a life and not worrying about what others think about me on the internet.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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and you want to deny him the chance to fix things up and set them right.

Have you seen any indication whatsoever that he thinks he has ever made a mistake or should ever correct any situation that is not going according to plan? I sure as hell haven't. I've seen only steadfast resolve to continue on the chosen path no matter what circumstances occur mid-stream.

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The sick thing about this article, and the views of the soccer players (yeah, they're about as useful for understanding the political climate there as asking Susan Sarandon what she thinks of it) is that at the same time as they're happy to be free of Uday Hussein and the steel eye-spiking boxes that he put on their heads, they don't like what Bush did in Iraq.

Why wouldn't you value the opinions of the people who actually live there?

Might have something to do with the fact that they like the effect of what we did, but don't want us to have done it.

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-Jeffrey
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and you want to deny him the chance to fix things up and set them right.

Have you seen any indication whatsoever that he thinks he has ever made a mistake or should ever correct any situation that is not going according to plan? I sure as hell haven't. I've seen only steadfast resolve to continue on the chosen path no matter what circumstances occur mid-stream.

Well, Nathaniel Brazill has not abandoned the bullshit lie that he DIDN'T pull the trigger -- the gun just went OFF. And despite his own refusal to acknowledge that he's a murderer, he's got lawyers and other "adults" trying to convince the courts and juries that he's a good boy whose life should not be ruined and spent in jail for a "mistake" that he himself hasn't even owned up to.

So I don't think it squares with the typical liberal philosophy that we should require Bush to admit he made a mistake before we give him a second chance. No other criminal shitbag is held to that standard by the liberals.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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No other criminal shitbag is held to that standard by the liberals***
Is that how YOU are referring to your President?

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

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Well, Nathaniel Brazill has not abandoned the bullshit lie that he DIDN'T pull the trigger -- the gun just went OFF.

First, I have no idea who Nathaniel Brazil is.

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should require Bush to admit he made a mistake before we give him a second chance. No other criminal shitbag is held to that standard by the liberals.

Second, did you really just admit that Bush is a criminal shitbag?

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This kind of hyperbolic pap earns you no respect for this view.

You think I give a rats ass about whether or not some d###b on the internet respects me just because I slammed his beloved president? Dude you need to spend more time jumping and less time spewing your partisan political views. Slam me all you want (as we know you will as you always must get that last word in), but I'm out of here. It's time to go play volleyball, have a life and not worrying about what others think about me on the internet.

Now this is about jump numbers? How many I've done recently is what would or wouldn't entitle me to speak here? Um, does "d###b" count as a personal attack, since I know what word it's supposed to be? How many jumps have you done in the last two months?

Ooooh, go play volleyball to show that Jeffrey how much more of a life you have than he does. I thought this was about how many jumps we do?

And so much for free speech, huh? You're saying that I'm not entitled to "spew my partisan political views"? Why? Because you said so?! O-o-okay! *guffaw*

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-Jeffrey
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Well, Nathaniel Brazill has not abandoned the bullshit lie that he DIDN'T pull the trigger -- the gun just went OFF.

First, I have no idea who Nathaniel Brazil is.

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should require Bush to admit he made a mistake before we give him a second chance. No other criminal shitbag is held to that standard by the liberals.

Second, did you really just admit that Bush is a criminal shitbag?

Hell, I'll admit that EVERY president we've had since, say, Jefferson, has been a criminal shitbag of one type or another. I believe that anyone who wants the position in the first place is corrupted by the desire for power. I'll go one further and say that every president in the rest of the WORLD is a criminal shitbag -- and of those, most of them ar worse than the worst of the American criminal shitbag presidents.

The only reason I'm going to vote for Bush is because Kerry is a direct threat to the Constitution via his virulent opposition to the Second Amendment, and his mendacious claims to support it. And I'm just as legitimate in making my voting decisions as any liberal who is voting for Kerry for no better reason than "He's not Bush."

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-Jeffrey
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The only reason I'm going to vote for Bush is because Kerry is a direct threat to the Constitution via his virulent opposition to the Second Amendment, and his mendacious claims to support it. And I'm just as legitimate in making my voting decisions as any liberal who is voting for Kerry for no better reason than "He's not Bush."

Fair enough. But on the scale of freedoms being trampled under foot, Bush is wearing clown shoes compared to Kerry's loafers.

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Well, Nathaniel Brazill has not abandoned the bullshit lie that he DIDN'T pull the trigger -- the gun just went OFF.

First, I have no idea who Nathaniel Brazil is.

Well, since Google is not yet available in your part of the country, I'll direct you to Post #29 of this thread. It gives a minimal explanation of who he is. At 13, he murdered his teacher, Barry Grunow, in a school in Lake Worth, Florida. With a gun he had stolen. Because he had been told he couldn't come into a classroom to talk with a girl he liked.

Hell, any one of us would have done the same, right?

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Fair enough. But on the scale of freedoms being trampled under foot, Bush is wearing clown shoes compared to Kerry's loafers.

Well, I suggest you wait, because um, Kerry is not president at this time. For the comparison to be fair, we'd have to see what he would do IF president.

I'm thinking he'd be wearing "gunboats."

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-Jeffrey
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For the comparison to be fair, we'd have to see what he would do IF president***
Deal! Let's elect him, and reconvene in 4 years to exchange notes...

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

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For the comparison to be fair, we'd have to see what he would do IF president***
Deal! Let's elect him, and reconvene in 4 years to exchange notes...

And give him the chance to do all the damage I believe he will do? Dude, that's the whole pointof fighting to keep him from getting elected.

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See, that's what I don't understand. You have a fear of what he MIGHT do. I've already seen what Bush, Ashcroft, Cheney, Rumsfeld (the four horsemen) are capable of. There's slim to no chance that Kerry could be worse, except possibly in the issue of gun control, but like I said, the best way to make sure we need the 2nd amendment is to let them keep taking away the rest of our freedoms.

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And give him the chance to do all the damage I believe he will do? Dude, that's the whole pointof fighting to keep him from getting elected.***
And that's the beauty of the system we live in... You can afford to take that chance, because you know you'll still be around in 4 years to talk about it (watch them low turns though...).
I beg to differ with you, believing things will be (slightly) better. Then again, we have the luxury to bitch and moan about what (most of) the rest of the world would consider as details...

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

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This seems like a very simple concept to me. Do they want the torture to end? Of course they do. Would they be willing to sacrifice their families for it? No.

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Might have something to do with the fact that they like the effect of what we did, but don't want us to have done it.

Is it ironic that you agree with me?

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See, that's what I don't understand. You have a fear of what he MIGHT do. I've already seen what Bush, Ashcroft, Cheney, Rumsfeld (the four horsemen) are capable of. There's slim to no chance that Kerry could be worse, except possibly in the issue of gun control, but like I said, the best way to make sure we need the 2nd amendment is to let them keep taking away the rest of our freedoms.

Well, what's that quote about the Tree of Liberty needing to be nourished by the blood of patriots now and then?

Maybe it really is true that we are too far gone to work within the system, and too soon to shoot the bastards. So maybe what we DO need is to have the rights eroded so far that we go FULL BORE in restoring them for ourselves. The irony is, if they are living up to their own anti-gun dogma, the Democrats and other liberals won't have guns with which to help us take the rights back! (But chances are they're hypocrites who DO have their own guns, and just don't want everyone else to have them. Right, Rosie? Right, Dianne?

Maybe it would be a positive thing, to be thrust into a domestic battle for a return to Constitutional principles of freedom and liberty, rather than to keep on the way we're going, with a bloated government, corrupt officials, wasetful spending of unfairly taxed income, and unnecessary laws. Maybe a catalyst for civil war and reclamation of our lost rights IN FULL could be the most needed thing in this country at this time. Every shitty thing that happens, from Ruby Ridge to Waco to that M.O.V.E. thng in Philly to Rodney King to the CT governor to the NJ governor to George Soros' illegitimate influence on U.S. politics -- none of it ever seems to be enough to make America demand justice, and to FIGHT to obtain it. We just keep sitting down and taking more shit, each time saying, "It's not enough to warrant uprising." Well, maybe we NEED to suffer enough, because going on the way we're going is not a healthy alternative.

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I've already seen what Bush, Ashcroft, Cheney, Rumsfeld (the four horsemen) are capable of.

I'd have thought you didn't want religion mixed with politics.

Me, I prefer to keep the hyperbole out of it, as well. I'd appreciate a little help with that. "Four Horsemen"? Give me a break. That's a little over-the-top.

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-Jeffrey
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Well, if that's the way you feel, I'd think you'd be more on the left side of things. Considering that's where the majority of civil disobedience and revolutionary rhetoric comes from.

I don't disagree with your musings. I was never into guns, wasn't raised in a family with them. But came to a point in my life where I decided it was my civic duty to make sure I had them on hand....just in case.