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The point is that political leanings have NO bearing on performance, but they do have a lot to do with how you are ‘rewarded’ for that performance.
Its pretty obvious I have more direct knowledge to base my opinion on Clark's performance, knowledge and expertise, as in is he qualified to make determinations about military readiness something you claim "He's no expert" when clearly he is.
So you cant even explain what Clark's mission was in Kosovo and yet you make conclusions about his performance of it? really really sad. To bad ignorance isn’t painful
But this observation leads you to
What I'm refuting is your ignorant assertion that "he's no expert'. Clearly he is, and the political maneuverings that happens at the flag level has NOTHING to do with that expertise. If you'd bothered to read and research you’d discover (as I've said) he was an arrogant ass, but a very competent one, and one who has a great deal of influence over the US military, but then it is also fairly obvious you don’t know or understand how we teach and develop military doctrine or how long it takes to make significant changes. The US military does not reinvent the wheel every year, nor every decade even. Long Term goals and planning and goals have been refined and reevaluated, but the fundamentals have not changed.
Keep guessing, its amusing to watch, your way off on my position and job function while in Kosovo. But then you've shown a predilection for making assertions without any real information to back them, so I’m not expecting any great revelations from you. All I have defended is Clark's expertise, not his personality or anything to do with the specifics of realignment, unlike you I don’t draw conclusions until i have more (and from accurate sources as opposed to political opinions from those with no direct knowledge) information. And I give a rat’s ass about political leanings really, its all about military proficiency. Something Clark has demonstrated over the course of his career, no matter what his political opponents might assert now….
Its pretty obvious I have more direct knowledge to base my opinion on Clark's performance, knowledge and expertise, as in is he qualified to make determinations about military readiness something you claim "He's no expert" when clearly he is.
QuoteWhat the hell makes you think I would have an OPORD on file?
So you cant even explain what Clark's mission was in Kosovo and yet you make conclusions about his performance of it? really really sad. To bad ignorance isn’t painful
QuoteFrom what I can discern most operational aspects of the Kosovo campaign were executed exceptionally well.
But this observation leads you to
QuoteAfter his performance in the Balkans, my assessment is that he's not an expert.
What I'm refuting is your ignorant assertion that "he's no expert'. Clearly he is, and the political maneuverings that happens at the flag level has NOTHING to do with that expertise. If you'd bothered to read and research you’d discover (as I've said) he was an arrogant ass, but a very competent one, and one who has a great deal of influence over the US military, but then it is also fairly obvious you don’t know or understand how we teach and develop military doctrine or how long it takes to make significant changes. The US military does not reinvent the wheel every year, nor every decade even. Long Term goals and planning and goals have been refined and reevaluated, but the fundamentals have not changed.
Keep guessing, its amusing to watch, your way off on my position and job function while in Kosovo. But then you've shown a predilection for making assertions without any real information to back them, so I’m not expecting any great revelations from you. All I have defended is Clark's expertise, not his personality or anything to do with the specifics of realignment, unlike you I don’t draw conclusions until i have more (and from accurate sources as opposed to political opinions from those with no direct knowledge) information. And I give a rat’s ass about political leanings really, its all about military proficiency. Something Clark has demonstrated over the course of his career, no matter what his political opponents might assert now….
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My ignorance, eh?
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After reading this I'm really glad I was off on my guess as to what you did in Kosovo. edited by TheAnvil due to the strange and inexplicable proclivity of some people to read personal attacks into my prose where none exist
If you were thinking strategically - you aren't - you'd realize that even if Clark executed the OPORD to perfection and then some (and as I stated the operational execution of the Kosovo conflict seemed superb), his performance over there as a whole doesn't dazzle me with his expertise with regards to realigning our European force structure. Troop realignments aren't only a tactical process. They are strategic, economical, tactical and political in nature. Think really hard about it and I'm sure you'll see why I question that expertise. Then, by all means, think about discussing the realignment itself. I'll hand it to Clark - unlike his fellow dem sKerry, he hasn't flip-flopped on it. At least not yet.
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After reading this I'm really glad I was off on my guess as to what you did in Kosovo. edited by TheAnvil due to the strange and inexplicable proclivity of some people to read personal attacks into my prose where none exist
If you were thinking strategically - you aren't - you'd realize that even if Clark executed the OPORD to perfection and then some (and as I stated the operational execution of the Kosovo conflict seemed superb), his performance over there as a whole doesn't dazzle me with his expertise with regards to realigning our European force structure. Troop realignments aren't only a tactical process. They are strategic, economical, tactical and political in nature. Think really hard about it and I'm sure you'll see why I question that expertise. Then, by all means, think about discussing the realignment itself. I'll hand it to Clark - unlike his fellow dem sKerry, he hasn't flip-flopped on it. At least not yet.
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QuoteOk, so is he for or against it?
both
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QuoteQuoteOk, so is he for or against it?
both
Those flip-floppers are so irritating!
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Think that if you like - I know better. It sounds like you might have served on his staff in some manner as a low field grade and gotten a couple of good OERs from the man.
What the hell does a man's political leaning have to do with his performance as an officer? One of only two officers I know who is a democrat happens to be one of the best tacticians, leaders, & managers that I know.
And what evidence have you given, exactly, other than touting zero casualties and extolling Clark's pre-Kosovo influence on future planning? Zilchoooooo...Zeeeeeroooooo...nada...EmptySet. But you're right - I have made up my mind based upon what friends have told me and what I've read. From what I can discern most operational aspects of the Kosovo campaign were executed exceptionally well.
I'm really chuckling at this. 'Failure' is your terminology, not mine. I criticize Clark and mention that his performance in Kosovo didn't impress me with his acumen of strategic troop alignment and you - who I assume to be a senior Captain or Junior Major who served on his staff - have for some odd reason taken this up as some sort of crusade to convince me otherwise with regards to Clark.
I'm glad you're glad. Happiness makes the world go round. I'm glad I'm not either, because I'm a happy engineering manager - and sometimes still engineer when required. We're both happy and the world is a better place for it.
What the hell makes you think I would have an OPORD on file?
Three of my best Army buds were in the Balkans. A few Navy folk as well and a Devil Dog or two. Granted, the majority of the military officer corps is conservative and most officers I know have an intense dislike for democrats and their policies.
Your whole tirade in defense of Mr. Clark is quite odd to me. Disagree with me on that if you like. How about telling me why we SHOULD maintain the current force alignment in Europe/Korea? Tell me why Clark is right. LOL.
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