PhillyKev 0 #1 August 18, 2004 Kennedy (the poster, not the dead guy) on Clinton: "He supported others fleeing the country to avoid the draft. He says calling them criminals for breaking the law is obscene. He stated he wanted to join the military to avoid being drafted. He is a draft dodger. He ran. " Kennedy, how do you feel about Cheney's 5 deferments and Ashcroft's 7? ---------------------- BurbleFlyer on Clinton: "Liar and draft dodger? You must talking of Clinton. He perjured himself and was in England during the VN war." BurbleFlyer, how do you feel about Cheney's 5 deferments and Ashcroft's 7? ---------------------- kmcguffee on Clinton: "Clinton was a complete draft dodger. I have no respect for him at all." kmcguffee, how do you feel about Cheney's 5 deferments and Ashcroft's 7? ----------------------- Anvil on Clinton: "Hard to slam evading military service in Vietnam when you elected an admitted draft dodger in the previous two elections." And "However, since a draft dodger had been president for eight years and Gore's Vietnam service was a joke, many people had been desensitized to the issue." Anvil, how do you feel about Cheney's 5 deferments and Ashcroft's 7? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #2 August 18, 2004 OK, it's like 10:00 AM there, right? Have a doughnut, Kev, midmorning blood sugar adjustment. Yadayada. I'm older than most folks who post here, and I was only 6 when Kerry was doing his Apocalypse now thing. If you really want answers from those individuals, PM them. If you want to start a discussion, start one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #3 August 18, 2004 Do you have your own Speaker's Corner database at home or something? --- Edited to add: Any thoughts on Kerry's lies? You've had plenty to say about Bush's. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 August 18, 2004 Ok, here's the discussion. How do the people who are commenting on Kerry's record, or who have commented on Clinton's deferrment feel about Cheney and Ashcrofts deferments? Many people have used some pretty viscious language regarding people who get deferments, particularly Clinton. I've been personally insulted by supporters of the current administration for saying I wouldn't answer a draft for an unjust war (Ron). I want to know if these people are willing to hold their esteemed leaders to the same standard. Or do they get a pass because they are republicans? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #5 August 18, 2004 Learn something about the draft system back then and get back to me. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #6 August 18, 2004 I actually had fun watching Brit Hume's final segment yesterday with his pundits (Juan Williams is in there usually representing the liberal viewpoint). They are literally running out of things to say about the whole "what were you up to in the summer of '69" thing. Who cares, really? It's not an argument that resonates with the middle, undecided voter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #7 August 18, 2004 All politicians lie. Hell, I'd bet that every person on the planet has lied at one point or another. The question should be what is the purpose and results of those lies? Is it to kill thousands of people, cost tax payers hundreds of billions of dollars, and feed your own personal agenda? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #8 August 18, 2004 Hey.....what about me?You left out that I said he was a dope smuggler while Governor of Arkansas....and I might have said something,somewhere about his draft dodging and smoking a joint and not inhalingand I'm sure the draft board had good reason to issue deferments to Cheney and Ashcroft?What do you think,they didnt have grounds to issue the deferments?Or were the deferments questionable?Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #9 August 18, 2004 What was Clinton's deferment for? Was it for going to school? Yes, I think it was. The Washington Post reported in 1991 that Cheney received five deferments, four 2-S student deferments and one under the 3-A classification -- "registrant with a child or children; or registrant deferred by reason of extreme hardship to dependents." In his Senate confirmation hearing, Cheney said he "would have obviously been happy to serve had I been called," which contradicting his earlier statement, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service." Bush staff members said Cheney received only three deferments, two for school and one for being a new father. [Washington Post, 4/3/91; Des Moines Register, 8/2/00] While attending Yale and then the University of Chicago Law School in the 1960s, Ashcroft repeatedly sought and received student deferments from his local draft board in Springfield, Missouri. In this, Ashcroft was hardly unique. But, as The Boston Globe reported last January, when Ashcroft graduated from law school in 1967 he took the far less common step of seeking an occupational deferment granted to those who hold critical civilian jobs. (Out of 35 million men registered with the Selective Service in 1967, only 264,000 received occupational deferments.) The "critical" job in question? Teaching business law to undergrads at Southwest Missouri State University--an assignment he lined up with the help of a family friend.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #10 August 18, 2004 There is a difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL. And that is the difference."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #11 August 18, 2004 I consider myself consistent with being "right wing" but I only take credit for comments that I make. "BILL CLINTON SUCKS!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #12 August 18, 2004 Actually, I think Monica did the sucking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #13 August 18, 2004 QuoteActually, I think Monica did the sucking. True... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #14 August 18, 2004 Quote Actually, I think Monica did the sucking. Does sucking on a cigar count? Anyway, the point is moot as, unless I'm wildly mistaken, Clinton isn't running in this election. Any invocation of Clinton (either one) as an argument for or against either of the two actual candidates is an act of misdirection.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #15 August 18, 2004 QuoteAny invocation of Clinton (either one) as an argument for or against either of the two actual candidates is an act of misdirection. True... I'm agreeing with everybody today. Trying out some of that "reverse psychology." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #16 August 18, 2004 Deferments were legal. Not the bravest thing to do, maybe not done with service of country in their hearts, but it's better than fleeing like a common crook. Deferments weren't uncommon. A lot of people went to college to try to avoid Vietnam. My dad's entering class had a 75% failure and expulsion rate by the time he finished his degree. Nobody wants to go to war. Someone saying "I'm too important for your war, I'm going to be a politician" is disgusting. Kerry, went, I'll respect that. I DON'T respect questionable medals, lies about where you were on Christmas, or take a big steaming shit on everyone you served with in front of Congress.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #17 August 18, 2004 QuoteAll politicians lie. Hell, I'd bet that every person on the planet has lied at one point or another. The question should be what is the purpose and results of those lies? Is it to kill thousands of people, cost tax payers hundreds of billions of dollars, and feed your own personal agenda? (A) Did Bush lie or receive bad intel? http://www.flashbunny.org/content/misled.html (B) Or were you talking about Kerry? He hasn't wasted THAT much money yet, has he?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallRate 0 #18 August 18, 2004 This is an interesting article on Vietnam-era military service. http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004217.asp FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #19 August 18, 2004 Wow did this get posted from there yet? QuoteThe Bush campaign recently started a new series of ads addressing Kerry's inability to show up for public Senate Intelligence Committee meetings more than 24% of the time. Yes, Mr. "attack Bush on intelligence failures" seems to have a hard time showing up for meetings to discuss intelligence. He's missed 76% of public meetings. The latest Kerry camp defense for this charge? The ad doesn't count private meetings. However, attendance records for private meetings are, well, private - and Kerry hasn't isn't letting those records out. This ranks right up there with his "I've just been too busy" to read Senate Intelligence Committee reports. What has taken precedence over receiving intelligence briefings? Well, photo ops of course! "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #20 August 18, 2004 So it appears that the answer to the question posed in the thread subject is, "no". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #21 August 18, 2004 QuoteSo it appears that the answer to the question posed in the thread subject is, "no". ____ I guess the answer is "When the Left wingers will admit their hypocrisy and partisanship.""No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumper03 0 #22 August 18, 2004 Quote I guess the answer is "When the Left wingers will admit their hypocrisy and partisanship." So hell no then? -----------Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #23 August 18, 2004 >This ranks right up there with his "I've just been too busy" to read Senate >Intelligence Committee reports. Next thing you know, he'll take vacations every month and claim he's really working during his vacations! There are some things that Bush has going for him, but an argument over who shows up for work more often isn't one of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #24 August 18, 2004 Ok, I'm posting this again. This is the second time one of my posts seems to have disappeared without any reason why. Is this a moderator thing or a bug thing? GWB is a nose picker!!!!!!! Proof!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #25 August 18, 2004 I didn't delete it and it's not in the recycle bucket. Sure you're not hitting refresh or something before it's posted? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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PhillyKev 0 #12 August 18, 2004 Actually, I think Monica did the sucking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #13 August 18, 2004 QuoteActually, I think Monica did the sucking. True... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #14 August 18, 2004 Quote Actually, I think Monica did the sucking. Does sucking on a cigar count? Anyway, the point is moot as, unless I'm wildly mistaken, Clinton isn't running in this election. Any invocation of Clinton (either one) as an argument for or against either of the two actual candidates is an act of misdirection.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #15 August 18, 2004 QuoteAny invocation of Clinton (either one) as an argument for or against either of the two actual candidates is an act of misdirection. True... I'm agreeing with everybody today. Trying out some of that "reverse psychology." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #16 August 18, 2004 Deferments were legal. Not the bravest thing to do, maybe not done with service of country in their hearts, but it's better than fleeing like a common crook. Deferments weren't uncommon. A lot of people went to college to try to avoid Vietnam. My dad's entering class had a 75% failure and expulsion rate by the time he finished his degree. Nobody wants to go to war. Someone saying "I'm too important for your war, I'm going to be a politician" is disgusting. Kerry, went, I'll respect that. I DON'T respect questionable medals, lies about where you were on Christmas, or take a big steaming shit on everyone you served with in front of Congress.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #17 August 18, 2004 QuoteAll politicians lie. Hell, I'd bet that every person on the planet has lied at one point or another. The question should be what is the purpose and results of those lies? Is it to kill thousands of people, cost tax payers hundreds of billions of dollars, and feed your own personal agenda? (A) Did Bush lie or receive bad intel? http://www.flashbunny.org/content/misled.html (B) Or were you talking about Kerry? He hasn't wasted THAT much money yet, has he?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallRate 0 #18 August 18, 2004 This is an interesting article on Vietnam-era military service. http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004217.asp FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #19 August 18, 2004 Wow did this get posted from there yet? QuoteThe Bush campaign recently started a new series of ads addressing Kerry's inability to show up for public Senate Intelligence Committee meetings more than 24% of the time. Yes, Mr. "attack Bush on intelligence failures" seems to have a hard time showing up for meetings to discuss intelligence. He's missed 76% of public meetings. The latest Kerry camp defense for this charge? The ad doesn't count private meetings. However, attendance records for private meetings are, well, private - and Kerry hasn't isn't letting those records out. This ranks right up there with his "I've just been too busy" to read Senate Intelligence Committee reports. What has taken precedence over receiving intelligence briefings? Well, photo ops of course! "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #20 August 18, 2004 So it appears that the answer to the question posed in the thread subject is, "no". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #21 August 18, 2004 QuoteSo it appears that the answer to the question posed in the thread subject is, "no". ____ I guess the answer is "When the Left wingers will admit their hypocrisy and partisanship.""No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumper03 0 #22 August 18, 2004 Quote I guess the answer is "When the Left wingers will admit their hypocrisy and partisanship." So hell no then? -----------Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #23 August 18, 2004 >This ranks right up there with his "I've just been too busy" to read Senate >Intelligence Committee reports. Next thing you know, he'll take vacations every month and claim he's really working during his vacations! There are some things that Bush has going for him, but an argument over who shows up for work more often isn't one of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #24 August 18, 2004 Ok, I'm posting this again. This is the second time one of my posts seems to have disappeared without any reason why. Is this a moderator thing or a bug thing? GWB is a nose picker!!!!!!! Proof!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #25 August 18, 2004 I didn't delete it and it's not in the recycle bucket. Sure you're not hitting refresh or something before it's posted? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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quade 4 #14 August 18, 2004 Quote Actually, I think Monica did the sucking. Does sucking on a cigar count? Anyway, the point is moot as, unless I'm wildly mistaken, Clinton isn't running in this election. Any invocation of Clinton (either one) as an argument for or against either of the two actual candidates is an act of misdirection.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #15 August 18, 2004 QuoteAny invocation of Clinton (either one) as an argument for or against either of the two actual candidates is an act of misdirection. True... I'm agreeing with everybody today. Trying out some of that "reverse psychology." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #16 August 18, 2004 Deferments were legal. Not the bravest thing to do, maybe not done with service of country in their hearts, but it's better than fleeing like a common crook. Deferments weren't uncommon. A lot of people went to college to try to avoid Vietnam. My dad's entering class had a 75% failure and expulsion rate by the time he finished his degree. Nobody wants to go to war. Someone saying "I'm too important for your war, I'm going to be a politician" is disgusting. Kerry, went, I'll respect that. I DON'T respect questionable medals, lies about where you were on Christmas, or take a big steaming shit on everyone you served with in front of Congress.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #17 August 18, 2004 QuoteAll politicians lie. Hell, I'd bet that every person on the planet has lied at one point or another. The question should be what is the purpose and results of those lies? Is it to kill thousands of people, cost tax payers hundreds of billions of dollars, and feed your own personal agenda? (A) Did Bush lie or receive bad intel? http://www.flashbunny.org/content/misled.html (B) Or were you talking about Kerry? He hasn't wasted THAT much money yet, has he?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #18 August 18, 2004 This is an interesting article on Vietnam-era military service. http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004217.asp FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #19 August 18, 2004 Wow did this get posted from there yet? QuoteThe Bush campaign recently started a new series of ads addressing Kerry's inability to show up for public Senate Intelligence Committee meetings more than 24% of the time. Yes, Mr. "attack Bush on intelligence failures" seems to have a hard time showing up for meetings to discuss intelligence. He's missed 76% of public meetings. The latest Kerry camp defense for this charge? The ad doesn't count private meetings. However, attendance records for private meetings are, well, private - and Kerry hasn't isn't letting those records out. This ranks right up there with his "I've just been too busy" to read Senate Intelligence Committee reports. What has taken precedence over receiving intelligence briefings? Well, photo ops of course! "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #20 August 18, 2004 So it appears that the answer to the question posed in the thread subject is, "no". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #21 August 18, 2004 QuoteSo it appears that the answer to the question posed in the thread subject is, "no". ____ I guess the answer is "When the Left wingers will admit their hypocrisy and partisanship.""No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #22 August 18, 2004 Quote I guess the answer is "When the Left wingers will admit their hypocrisy and partisanship." So hell no then? -----------Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #23 August 18, 2004 >This ranks right up there with his "I've just been too busy" to read Senate >Intelligence Committee reports. Next thing you know, he'll take vacations every month and claim he's really working during his vacations! There are some things that Bush has going for him, but an argument over who shows up for work more often isn't one of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #24 August 18, 2004 Ok, I'm posting this again. This is the second time one of my posts seems to have disappeared without any reason why. Is this a moderator thing or a bug thing? GWB is a nose picker!!!!!!! Proof!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #25 August 18, 2004 I didn't delete it and it's not in the recycle bucket. Sure you're not hitting refresh or something before it's posted? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
