Will the right wingers admit their hypocrisy and partisanship?

[PhillyKev 0]

Possibly. By "bug" I incclude me being an idiot.

[Kennedy 0]

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Kennedy (the poster, not the dead guy) on Clinton:

Hey, you could also have meant the fat ignorant drunkard legislator.

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[skydyvr 0]

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All politicians lie. Hell, I'd bet that every person on the planet has lied at one point or another. The question should be what is the purpose and results of those lies? Is it to kill thousands of people, cost tax payers hundreds of billions of dollars, and feed your own personal agenda?

I agree with your thoughts, but I have to wonder how many GI lives were lost in Vietnam due to the moral uplift given the enemy by the likes of Kerry and Hanoi Jane.

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[kallend 2,146]

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All politicians lie. Hell, I'd bet that every person on the planet has lied at one point or another. The question should be what is the purpose and results of those lies? Is it to kill thousands of people, cost tax payers hundreds of billions of dollars, and feed your own personal agenda?

I agree with your thoughts, but I have to wonder how many GI lives were lost in Vietnam due to the moral uplift given the enemy by the likes of Kerry and Hanoi Jane.

Far fewer than were lost due to the mendacity and incompetence of Johnson, Nixon, Macnamara, Kissinger and their cronies.

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[skydyvr 0]

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I agree with your thoughts, but I have to wonder how many GI lives were lost in Vietnam due to the moral uplift given the enemy by the likes of Kerry and Hanoi Jane.

Far fewer than were lost due to the mendacity and incompetence of Johnson, Nixon, Macnamara, Kissinger and their cronies.

Johnson, Nixon, Macnamara, Kissinger and their cronies aren't running for president these days.

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[billvon 3,111]

> but I have to wonder how many GI lives were lost in Vietnam due to
> the moral uplift given the enemy by the likes of Kerry and Hanoi Jane.

Probably some, but then again, Kerry probably killed more of the enemy than that. On the other hand, we know exactly how many GI lives were lost due to George Bush's mistake (951) - and he IS running for president. Think we'll hit the century mark by November?

[skydyvr 0]

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Probably some, but then again, Kerry probably killed more of the enemy than that.

Only if you count in the wounded, fleeing VC he shot in the back, plus the numerous civilians he's alleged to have murdered.

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On the other hand, we know exactly how many GI lives were lost due to George Bush's mistake (951) - and he IS running for president. Think we'll hit the century mark by November?

George Bush may have invaded Iraq based on mistaken intelligence, but I'll bet you mean something other than that when you say "mistake".

I know you won't agree, but I believe the 951 soldiers have sacrificed their lives for a very worthy cause. God bless them all.

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[Kennedy 0]

I have to say that was a very fair post, including both LBJ and Nixon.

-and now, back to your regularly scheduled bitchfest-

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[billvon 3,111]

>Only if you count in the wounded, fleeing VC he shot in the back . . .

We don't shoot enemies in the back??? You'd honestly let a enemy with an RPG . . . go?

>plus the numerous civilians he's alleged to have murdered.

GWB is up to 11609. See, that's a problem he has - you can make up anything you want about Kerry, but GWB's performance is _very_ well documented.

>George Bush may have invaded Iraq based on mistaken intelligence,
> but I'll bet you mean something other than that when you
> say "mistake".

He made a mistake. He claimed that Saddam had stockpiles of WMD's that were an imminent threat to us, and he was wrong when he claimed that as a reason we needed to invade. That's what "mistake" means.

>I know you won't agree, but I believe the 951 soldiers have sacrificed
> their lives for a very worthy cause. God bless them all.

I think so too, even if they killed people, and even if they got a medal you think they didn't deserve. Anyone who serves the US and puts his life on the line for his country deserves our respect. Attacking a vet because you don't like his politics is, to me, pretty slimy.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Anyone who serves the US and puts his life on the line for his country deserves our respect. Attacking a vet because you don't like his politics is, to me, pretty slimy.

Funny enough, those attacking this vet the loudest are usually the loudest in their rallies to support the troops no matter what.

Certainly makes you wonder.

[skydyvr 0]

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He made a mistake. He claimed that Saddam had stockpiles of WMD's that were an imminent threat to us, and he was wrong when he claimed that as a reason we needed to invade. That's what "mistake" means.

Yes, he did make that "mistake", along with a very large bi-partisan, international group. Unless, of course, SH actually did manage to sneak it all out to Syria just in time. Then it wasn't a "mistake". Or, unless you counter the number of dead in Iraq now with the number of dead that would have occurred had SH remained in power. Then, maybe it also wasn't a mistake. Hard to say.

Tel you what . . . I'll re-post that looooong list of democratic statements, including some by Kerry, agreeing that SH had WMDs and that we needed to do something about it BEFORE we went in, and you re-post Rummy's comments along the lines of "we know right where they are". Then we can reiterate the bad intel question again, etc., etc., etc,. . .

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I think so too, even if they killed people, and even if they got a medal you think they didn't deserve. Anyone who serves the US and puts his life on the line for his country deserves our respect. Attacking a vet because you don't like his politics is, to me, pretty slimy.

The biggest problem with Kerry is what he did after he arrived home. Aiding and abetting the enemy comes to mind.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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Funny enough, those attacking this vet the loudest are usually the loudest in their rallies to support the troops no matter what.

Certainly makes you wonder.

I find it mind boggling.

[Ron 10]

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There are some things that Bush has going for him, but an argument over who shows up for work more often isn't one of them.

When one group starts saying that their opposing canidate does not show up for work...It is fair game to show that their canidate has the same problem.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Ron 10]

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Anyone who serves the US and puts his life on the line for his country deserves our respect. Attacking a vet because you don't like his politics is, to me, pretty slimy.

Why does that not apply to you and Bush?

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[billvon 3,111]

>When one group starts saying that their opposing canidate does not
>show up for work...It is fair game to show that their canidate has the
> same problem.

So it's fair to go after Bush's "war record?" OK then! I heard a lot of repubs saying that it was Kerry who made an issue of war records, so we should be concentrating on Kerry's record rather than Bush's. Good to see you don't buy into that.

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So it's fair to go after Bush's "war record?" OK then!

Sure its fair...Stupid, but fair.

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heard a lot of repubs saying that it was Kerry who made an issue of war records, so we should be concentrating on Kerry's record rather than Bush's. Good to see you don't buy into that.

My issue with Kerry is that he does whatever he thinks will make him popular...no matter how many sides he has to take to get that result.

I have said several times that he is a war hero. It is him selling his fellow countymen out, admitting to commiting war crimes, lying to people about his service, and changing sides with the tides that makes me not like him.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[PhillyKev 0]

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My issue with Kerry is that he does whatever he thinks will make him popular...no matter how many sides he has to take to get that result.

I'll say that I can't completely disagree with that. And it's a trait very common among politicians. GWB even does it. My main issue with Bush is that he does whatever he thinks is right, no matter what anyone else thinks, including his advisors, and no matter what the results of his actions are. He just keeps plodding along.

[billvon 3,111]

>Yes, he did make that "mistake", along with a very large bi-partisan,
> international group.

Excellent! See, progress. He made a mistake. The right course of action is to admit it and determine not to make that mistake in the future.

>Unless, of course, SH actually did manage to sneak it all out to Syria
> just in time. Then it wasn't a "mistake".

D'oh! Just when I thought we were making progress . . . if you don't admit your mistakes you can't fix them. Yes, Saddam might have divested himself of all his defenses just days before we planned to invade - moved tons of nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, and germ-warfare cultures without a trace, even while we were blowing his military installations to bits. He may also have magically converted all those "mobile chemical labs" into hydrogen production devices so we could find them, and done that all while we were bombing the crap out of him. But if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.


>Tel you what . . . I'll re-post that looooong list of democratic
> statements, including some by Kerry, agreeing that SH had WMDs
> and that we needed to do something about it BEFORE we went in . . .

And I will agree that they made a mistake too.

>The biggest problem with Kerry is what he did after he arrived home.
>Aiding and abetting the enemy comes to mind.

Right. We should lock up all those journalists who oppose the Iraq war, too, and get rid of any anti-Bush demonstrators. They are aiding the enemy with their free speech! Only when we have a military government that stamps out all dissent will we be strong enough to fight off an enemy like Al Qaeda. The Empire will crush your puny rebellion! (oops, wrong movie.)

[Ron 10]

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I'll say that I can't completely disagree with that. And it's a trait very common among politicians. GWB even does it. My main issue with Bush is that he does whatever he thinks is right, no matter what anyone else thinks, including his advisors, and no matter what the results of his actions are. He just keeps plodding along.

Given the choice between a guy that I think will do what he thinks is the right thing. And will stay the course once he starts.

VS.

A guy that bounces back and forth on an issue depending on what the polls say. Never being able to make a choice because he can't pick a side, and changing his mind once he finds his choice was poorly recieved.

I'll take the first guy. The second guy will become paralized by not knowing what to do, or who to listen to.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[PhillyKev 0]

And that is the fundamental difference between the Bush and Kerry sides and why this election is so strongly about the lesser of two evils.

You and others on your side deplore someone who appears indecisive and pandering for votes. You view it as weak and dishonest.

I and others on my side deplore stubborn resolve in the face of reality and someone claiming that they know what is best for me. We view it as overbearing and authoritarian.

That's why there are so few undecideds and swing voters, and why there is so much animosity between the two sides.

I'd give anything for an intelligent, well thought out, candidate with a solid plan for the future who was willing to listen to other opinions and change his mind when necessary in order to do the best thing.

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Kerry reminds me of the Gov. in the movie Best Little Whore House in Texas, played by Charles Durning, " . . . A little step to the side . . . ."

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[Kennedy 0]

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We should lock up all those journalists who oppose the Iraq war, too, and get rid of any anti-Bush demonstrators. They are aiding the enemy with their free speech! Only when we have a military government that stamps out all dissent will we be strong enough to fight off an enemy like Al Qaeda. The Empire will crush your puny rebellion! (oops, wrong movie.)

I believe the line is "insignificant rebellion."

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