bodypilot90 0 #1 August 14, 2004 http://r.pm0.net/s/c?29e.af76.3.6hf7.12w Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #2 August 14, 2004 Whoever put that togeather can go camping with Michal Moore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #3 August 16, 2004 How come? The clips are complete statements-ideas-flow of speech of his ideas prior flipping and later after flopping... No similarities there."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #4 August 16, 2004 Was there something misleading about the video? Or are you really going to claim Moore isn't misleading?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #5 August 16, 2004 On the subject of 'his own words': politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #6 August 17, 2004 hard to tell what he believes isn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #7 August 17, 2004 QuoteOn the subject of 'his own words': politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm Nothing to say about Kerry here, Professor Kallend? Tell us this: When Kerry lied over and over and over again through the years about taking fire "deep" in Cambodia, on Christmas Eve '68, was he really lying -- or does he simply have a nasty case of Alzheimer's? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #8 August 17, 2004 background, since I have't seen this issue posted about (though I'm sure it has been) Google: kerry, christmas, cambodia Quote On the floor of the Senate on March 27, 1986, Sen. John Kerry issued this statement: "I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the President of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared — seared — in me." Mr. Kerry's statement at the time was similar to other statements he had made after returning from duty in Vietnam, and throughout much of the 1970s. Writing for the Boston Herald in October 1979, Mr. Kerry said this: "I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real." First, the obvious: Richard Nixon was not president in December 1968, and no history of the Vietnam era suggests that Lyndon Johnson ever ordered troops into Cambodia; but those are minor points. A new book, "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," by John O'Neill and Jerome R. Corsi, argues that Mr. Kerry was never in Cambodia, during Christmas 1968 or otherwise. To support their allegation, Messrs. O'Neill and Corsi highlight the denials of all living commanders in Mr. Kerry's chain of command that Mr. Kerry was in Cambodia, or was ever ordered into Cambodia (Joe Streuhli, commander of Coastal Division 13; George Elliott, commander of Coastal Division 11; Adrian Lonsdale, captain, Coast Guard, commander, Coastal Surveillance Center at An Thoi; Rear Adm. Ray Hoffman, commander Coastal Surveillance Force Vietnam; and Rear Adm. Art Price, commander of River Patrol Force). Also, the authors report that three out of Mr. Kerry's five-man Swift boat crew deny that they or their boat was in Cambodia during Christmas 1968 — the other two refused to comment. According to the book, Mr. Kerry and his Swift boat crew were stationed at Coastal Division 13 in Cat Lo, with a patrol area extending to Sa Dec, which was a little more than 50 miles from the Cambodian border. Tom Anderson, the commander of River Division 531, who was in charge of the patrol boats canvassing the waterways from Sa Dec to the Cambodian border, confirmed to the authors that no Swift boats were anywhere in the area, and that any would have been stopped, or their captains court-martialed for breaching the border. In 1992, The Associated Press interviewed Mr. Kerry about his Vietnam experience. Again, the Cambodian story resurfaced: "By Christmas 1968, part of Kerry's patrol extended across the border of South Vietnam into Cambodia. 'We were told, "Just go up there and do your patrol." Everybody was over there (in Cambodia). Nobody thought twice about it,' Kerry said." Then, in a Boston Globe report from last summer, Mr. Kerry slightly changed his Cambodia story: "To top it off, Kerry said, he had gone several miles inside Cambodia, which theoretically was off limits." If it was "theoretically off limits," who gave Mr. Kerry the order to enter Cambodia, as he asserted numerous times before? Yet in "Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War," author Douglas Brinkley provides a thoroughly different version of what happened in Christmas 1968. According to Mr. Brinkley, who received his information from Mr. Kerry directly, Mr. Kerry was on patrol in Sa Dec (50 miles from the Cambodian border) on Christmas Eve and spent Christmas day writing journal entries back at his base. Over at JohnKerry.com, you can read "After-action" reports — first-hand accounts written immediately following combat — from Mr. Kerry's Vietnam tour. Strangely, the reports extend only as far back as February 1969. In the absence of these reports, the public can only pit one version of events with another. Why is any of this important? Mr. Kerry has made his Vietnam experiences the focal point in his campaign. Indeed, the candidate wants voters to judge his Vietnam service as reflecting the qualities needed in a commander in chief. It is not Mr. Kerry's detractors who have placed Vietnam at the forefront of the campaign, it is Mr. Kerry himself. As such, his testimonials both during and after his tour should be subject to verification and debate. Moreover, it is not beyond the realm of the media to discover whether or not Mr. Kerry was truthful on the floor of the Senate, nor should it be beyond Mr. Kerry to answer such a charge. The inconsistencies in Mr. Kerry's Cambodia story should be explained, either by an inquisitive press corps or by the Kerry campaign itself. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #9 August 17, 2004 Quotehard to tell what he believes isn't it? Not at all. Kerry obviously believes in obtaining the Presidency at any cost, truth and integrity be damned. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #10 August 17, 2004 Quotebackground, since I have't seen this issue posted about (though I'm sure it has been) I'm not sure if it's been discussed much here either, so thanks for posting the details. Actually, Kerry's Cambodia fable has varied from year to year, much like the tale of a fish caught in one's youth. By the mid '90s, the fish story had grown into a real whopper. My favorite aspect of the whole story so far are the Beavis and Butthead like retractions coming from the DNC, et. al. . . . um . . .duh . . hehe . . . yea. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #11 August 18, 2004 Oh Yes it's only to easy to compare john Kerry's war record to Georgr W. Bush's. Even if you buy into Kennedy's lies there's still no comparison. blues jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #12 August 18, 2004 Don't call me a liar. I posted a link to google on three simple words, and quoted one article representative of the links found there. If you dispute the facts in the post, then DO THAT. Dispute the facts. There is no Bush Kerry record comparison necessary because BUsh is not running on his service, but rather on his political record (view through his own polarized lenses, as all election campaigns are). Kerry seems to be running from his record like deer from a hunter. If you dispute any of what was posted, I would love to see how, and sources for your information. Some of us are capable of keeping an open mind, after all.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #13 August 18, 2004 QuoteThere is no Bush Kerry record comparison necessary because BUsh is not running on his service, So what's he doing when he struts around in a flight uniform landing on aircraft carriers in the bitch seat of a jet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #14 August 18, 2004 Quote There is no Bush Kerry record comparison necessary because BUsh is not running on his service, . Well, defending Alabama from attack by the Viet Cong by not turning up for duty isn't going to get many votes, so it's not surprising he's not running on his service record.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #15 August 18, 2004 QuoteWell, defending Alabama from attack by the Viet Cong by not turning up for duty isn't going to get many votes, so it's not surprising he's not running on his service record. Nonetheless Kerry, who IS running on his service record (and not much else) has been caught in a HUGE lie, which he's told over and over and over, yet you and the rest of the liberals on here refuse to address it, other than to divert attention back to Bush. Not responding at all would be a stronger rebuttal, BWAHAHAHAHA . . . Yes you Kallend, who has pointed out Bush's "lies" again and again and again, fail to address Kerry's blatant pathological lies about his war record. Are you and your ilk being a little hypocritical perhaps? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #16 August 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteWell, defending Alabama from attack by the Viet Cong by not turning up for duty isn't going to get many votes, so it's not surprising he's not running on his service record. Nonetheless Kerry, who IS running on his service record (and not much else) has been caught in a HUGE lie, which he's told over and over and over, yet you and the rest of the liberals on here refuse to address it, other than to divert attention back to Bush. Not responding at all would be a stronger rebuttal, BWAHAHAHAHA . . . Yes you Kallend, who has pointed out Bush's "lies" again and again and again, fail to address Kerry's blatant pathological lies about his war record. Are you and your ilk being a little hypocritical perhaps? How short is your memory? www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1195823#1195823 www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1186135#1186135 "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons." -Winston Churchill... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #17 August 18, 2004 QuoteSo what's he doing when he struts around in a flight uniform landing on aircraft carriers in the bitch seat of a jet? If you were given the chance to fly in the "bitch seat" of a jet on a carrier landing...Would you do it? I have flown "bitch" in many aircraft and I would kill to land in a jet on a carrier."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #18 August 18, 2004 QuoteIf you were given the chance to fly in the "bitch seat" of a jet on a carrier landing...Would you do it? Hell yeah, but I wouldn' call the press corp, have them video it, and stand under a "Mission Accomplished" banner. I hardly hear Kerry bringing up his military record during this campaign, EXCEPT when he's defending against accusations from the republicans. THEY are the ones that are campaigning on his war record. I find it quite amusing that the Bush triumverate of power that has sent this nation to war and attacks Kerry for serving in Vienam consists of Bush, who has no record to speak of, Cheney who received FIVE DEFERMENTS and Ashcroft who received SEVEN DEFERMENTS. Where are all the people who called Clinton a draft dodger? Why aren't they speaking up about them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #19 August 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteSo what's he doing when he struts around in a flight uniform landing on aircraft carriers in the bitch seat of a jet? If you were given the chance to fly in the "bitch seat" of a jet on a carrier landing...Would you do it? I have flown "bitch" in many aircraft and I would kill to land in a jet on a carrier. He turned down a lot of opportunities to fly around in fighter jets back in his NG days. I guess there weren't enough photographers around in Alabama.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #20 August 18, 2004 QuoteHow short is your memory? www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1195823#1195823 www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1186135#1186135 "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons." -Winston Churchill Fine Kallend, even a moron could see that both Bush and Kerry are "poor" candidates . . . but what about these lies about Kerry's service? Gonna put something about that in your sig line? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #21 August 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteThere is no Bush Kerry record comparison necessary because BUsh is not running on his service, So what's he doing when he struts around in a flight uniform landing on aircraft carriers in the bitch seat of a jet? You profess so much knowledge, yet seem so ignorant about aviation in general. For your info, those planes are capable of exceeding the speed of sound, and you need to have the whole outfit to be able to fly inside one of them. Is to prevent body harm by the G-forces. Look up the info in the web. Even a 10 yr old would know this. Ah wait, it is a lot easier to bitch an make uneducated guesses at GWB...."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #22 August 18, 2004 QuoteHell yeah, but I wouldn' call the press corp, have them video it, and stand under a "Mission Accomplished" banner. I would call the press...they may not care, but I would call them. Besides you forget the press follows him when he makes ANY speech and if they could they would have a man in the bathroom while he takes a shower. The Banner...Well you would give the speech in fromt of what ever they hung behind you. QuoteI hardly hear Kerry bringing up his military record during this campaign From the DNC: Kerry : "Reporting for Duty" (Weak ass salute followed) And lets not forget his "Home movies" from that time...All filmed to make him look like a hero. QuoteWhere are all the people who called Clinton a draft dodger? Why aren't they speaking up about them? Quote If I could keep from going to war legally I would...how about you? If I could keep my son from going to war I would...How about you? Clinton lied to avoid the draft, Bush Sr. pulled strings to keep Jr. from fighting. The others got legal deferments. My problem with Kerry is he has always tried to be JFK II..and he will do what he thinks he has to do to become popular to become President...He is whatever the polls want him to be. He is not a leader."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #23 August 18, 2004 QuoteHe turned down a lot of opportunities to fly around in fighter jets back in his NG days. I guess there weren't enough photographers around in Alabama. Luckily Kerry brought his own camera to record his heroics."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #24 August 18, 2004 QuoteI would call the press...they may not care, but I would call them. Besides you forget the press follows him when he makes ANY speech and if they could they would have a man in the bathroom while he takes a shower. Would you spend tax payer money to take that joy ride? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #25 August 18, 2004 QuoteWould you spend tax payer money to take that joy ride? Yes, I would. For the record I have been one of 4 jumpers in a C-130 that was flown from VA to Ft.Bragg for the sole reason of flying me and my three buddies for ONE jump in the middle of nowhere (Laurenburg DZ.) with no one around. Also, Ask Kallend that same question. AND he is the PRESIDENT they need to move him anyway and I bet that flight was cheeper than AF1 flying one circit around the field."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Ron 10 #23 August 18, 2004 QuoteHe turned down a lot of opportunities to fly around in fighter jets back in his NG days. I guess there weren't enough photographers around in Alabama. Luckily Kerry brought his own camera to record his heroics."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #24 August 18, 2004 QuoteI would call the press...they may not care, but I would call them. Besides you forget the press follows him when he makes ANY speech and if they could they would have a man in the bathroom while he takes a shower. Would you spend tax payer money to take that joy ride? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #25 August 18, 2004 QuoteWould you spend tax payer money to take that joy ride? Yes, I would. For the record I have been one of 4 jumpers in a C-130 that was flown from VA to Ft.Bragg for the sole reason of flying me and my three buddies for ONE jump in the middle of nowhere (Laurenburg DZ.) with no one around. Also, Ask Kallend that same question. AND he is the PRESIDENT they need to move him anyway and I bet that flight was cheeper than AF1 flying one circit around the field."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
