turtlespeed 226 #1 August 12, 2004 No grey areas. No maybes. Simply yes or no. Answer how you feel. If a man is married to a woman, and he has a homosexual relationship with another man, is that adultry?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #2 August 12, 2004 And if he marries that man.....is that bigamy?Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #3 August 12, 2004 >If a man is married to a woman, and he has a homosexual > relationship with another man, is that adultry? Doesn't matter what sex the other person is. If a guy does something with another man that would be considered adultery with a woman, it's still adultery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #4 August 12, 2004 Quote>If a man is married to a woman, and he has a homosexual > relationship with another man, is that adultry? Doesn't matter what sex the other person is. If a guy does something with another man that would be considered adultery with a woman, it's still adultery. Why?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #5 August 12, 2004 Why wouldn't it be adultry? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #6 August 12, 2004 Quote Why wouldn't it be adultry? - Jim Because - isn't marriage between only a man and a woman? Even California says that.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #7 August 12, 2004 QuoteWhy? Well, Webster says: Quote: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband; also : an act of adultery Unless you're saying that a man can't have sexual intercourse with a man, or that a woman can't have sexual intercourse with a woman, then I'd have to say that adultery can happen between members of the same sex. And if sexual intercourse is only insertion, then, well, maybe Bill didn't have sex with "that woman." Basically, adultery to me is about betraying the relationship. If you have a sexual relationship with someone else, then it's adultery. It probably gets fuzzy if it's a sheep (bada-boom!), but the idea of marriage is pledging your troth to one other person. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #8 August 12, 2004 Quotea·dul·ter·y n. pl. a·dul·ter·ies Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #9 August 12, 2004 Add to that my understanding that the catholic view is having sexual intercourse with anyone who is not your spouse. Therefore 2 single people that have sex are commiting adultery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #10 August 12, 2004 Yes that's adultery. I kind of get the impression McGreavey and his wife had an "understanding" given she's still standing by him. Even so, it's still adultery.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #11 August 12, 2004 QuoteQuote Why wouldn't it be adultry? - Jim Because - isn't marriage between only a man and a woman? Even California says that. Adultery is SEX outside of marriage, not MARRIAGE outside of marriage. Since a man could have SEX with another man outside his marriage to a woman, yes, it's clearly adultery. Only a person trying to hedge around doing what is right would try to excuse it as not being adultery. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #12 August 12, 2004 Quote Basically, adultery to me is about betraying the relationship. so if the spouse is fully aware of what is going on there is no betrayal and therefore no adultery?? or is it still adultery it is just not 'cheating'?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #13 August 12, 2004 That's an interesting question, and I think you hit the nail on the head. It's not cheating, but it's still adultery. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #14 August 13, 2004 so then the next question, apart from religious reasonings what is wrong with adultery when the spouse is fully aware?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #15 August 13, 2004 That would be an open marriage. I don't know that there is anything inherently wrong with it, if marriage is an agreement. What would a multiple-wives arrangement (legal in some countries) be considered here but an open marriage in one sense? I do know that the only couple I ever knew who had one ended up with one unhappy and one happy partner, supposedly attributed to the open nature of the marriage. And that was from the open partner (who agreed that it was damaging and quit). It's not for me, but then neither is tripe. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #16 August 13, 2004 If a person is married and sleeps with someone other than the person they married, its adultery and cheating. www.dictionary.com: Adultery: Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #17 August 13, 2004 QuoteAnd if he marries that man.....is that bigamy? Could be... Then again it could be bigahim?! . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #18 August 13, 2004 Quote If a man is married to a woman, and he has a homosexual relationship with another man, is that adultry? what about sheep? - not so unusual in some countries (and states) ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #19 August 13, 2004 QuoteAdd to that my understanding that the catholic view is having sexual intercourse with anyone who is not your spouse. Therefore 2 single people that have sex are commiting adultery. You're right and you're wrong. According to the Catholic faith, sex between two single people is called fornication, not adultery. However, it still falls under the same commandment about not commiting adultery. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #20 August 13, 2004 Quoteso then the next question, apart from religious reasonings what is wrong with adultery when the spouse is fully aware? It isn't a question about right and wrong. Even if it is an open marriage, it still falls under the definition of adultery. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #21 August 13, 2004 >so if the spouse is fully aware of what is going on there is no > betrayal and therefore no adultery?? or is it still adultery it is just > not 'cheating'? Adultery has a definition (sex with someone other than the person one is married to) just as fornication (sex between two unmarried people) and sodomy (any 'unusual' sexual intercourse) have definitions. Most people I know have engaged in both sodomy and fornication, and have no problem with it even with the negative connotations the words have. In a similar vein, I think that adultery is no problem either, as long as the three people involved do not have a problem with it. It is their decision. If all three are OK with it, it's neither cheating nor morally wrong - but is still adultery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #22 August 13, 2004 It depends, if he only got or gave a BJ, then it is not."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #23 August 13, 2004 QuoteIf a man is married to a woman, and he has a homosexual relationship with another man, is that adultry? Interesting question. Yes, it's cheating, yes it's adultery, and yes, it is incredibly difficult to deal with on all levels. If they knew they were gay, but entered into a committed relationship and didn't tell the partner, that is about the worst thing I could think of happening. There are massive significant emotional - and potential - ramifications. The unknowing partner has not been able to make decisions with full knowledge of the situation. That is adultery, no doubt. If someone is "trying it out," and in a committed relationship, that should be immediately made known to the partner. The partner can then make decisions for their life, sanity and wellbeing from a position of full knowledge. If the decision is to stay together *with full understanding of the circumstances of the union* at that point, then it's no-one's business. If someone doesn't know, and has no inkling, that they are gay, and only discovers it after they are in a longterm, comitted relationship, and then they fall in love with someone of the same sex, then immediate and full disclosure is vital to everyone's wellbeing. Again, if the decision is to stay together *with full understanding of the circumstances of the union* at that point, then it's no-one's business. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #24 August 13, 2004 Quote Again, if the decision is to stay together *with full understanding of the circumstances of the union* at that point, then it's no-one's business. In -any- case, it's nobody's business other than those directly involved in the triangle itself. The ONLY way this particular incident becomes somebody's business is if the rumors are true about blackmail/favoritism/sexual harassment.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #25 August 13, 2004 QuoteIn -any- case, it's nobody's business other than those directly involved in the triangle itself. I can't wholly agree. If there is an agreement (the last two scenarios), then no, it's not someone's business. If the first scenario, it's the business of the person who was wronged, and whoever they choose to tell... The governor's situation, if you read my thread, I believe is something about blackmail/sexual harassment...I know that threatening to out someone is absolute moral turpitude...outting themselves so as to take the wind from the blackmailer's sails, and is an untenable situation at best. It does ameliorate the circumstances, and is a common tactic used in damage control situations and PR... It still doesn't negate the discussion TS started...which is, simply, is it adultery if it's a homosexual relationship, yes or no. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
