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QuoteQuoteWhy should I pay for thier college? Why should they be getting ANY of ANYONES money - money that they certainly did not EARN.
Good point. Why should the American public be educated? Why should we try to compete in a global economy? Why don't we just let our countrymen remain uneducated and unsuccessful? Why help others to earn and be productive in society?
Oh yeah, and how is giving them tax breaks taking your money? Or putting them to work? Why do you want to take their money?QuoteAmong the key components of Kerry’s higher education platform:
The College Opportunity Tax Credit provides an income tax credit each year of college on the first $4,000 paid in tuition--the typical tuition and fees at a public college or university. The tax credit will be refundable for most “economically vulnerable” students and for those who receive other credits, according to the Kerry campaign.
The Service for College Plan would offer students the chance to earn the equivalent of their state's four-year public college tuition in exchange for two years of public service. Kerry hopes to enlist 500,000 young people a year in Service for College within the next decade.
It's called survival of the fittest. Those that WANT to succeed - CAN and DO.
Those that don't shouldn't be given my money to waste.
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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QuoteIt's called survival of the fittest. Those that WANT to succeed - CAN and DO.
Those that don't shouldn't be given my money to waste.
It's also survival of the fittest country in the world economy. We're lagging behind the rest of the world in terms of education.
And again, how is giving them a tax break on their tuition, or paying them for work that they do taking your money?
Ron 10
QuoteYeah, actually he does.
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Kerry will fully fund NCLB and offer a new bargain for America’s children and teachers. His plan will recruit teachers for high-need schools and for shortage subject areas like math and science. It will also offer teachers professional support, like mentoring programs and parental involvement initiatives. In return, Kerry will ask school districts to implement new tests for teachers, establish new systems that reward teachers for excellence in the classroom and ensure fast, fair procedures for improving or replacing teachers who do not perform.
To remove one of the biggest obstacles to higher pay for teachers, Kerry will take on rising health care costs. He will bring down costs by eliminating waste and greed from the health care system, so that money that should be going to teachers is not going into skyrocketing health care plans.
Kerry will also help 1 million more students graduate in the next five years by enforcing the accountability provisions in NCLB for dropouts; investing in anti-dropout efforts like offering mentoring in middle school, shrinking big high schools that are not working and strengthening the high school curriculum.
Once they graduate, Kerry will take new steps to help more students go to and pay for college.
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None of this says HOW he will do it.
HOW is he going to fund NCLB?
HOW is he going to get teachers to go to high need schools?
HOW is he going to pay teahers more?
HOW is he going to reduce dropouts?
HOW is he going to pay for the mentoring?
Lots of promises...but no action plan.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
QuoteLots of promises...but no action plan.
Actually, he does. Do you want me to cut and paste his entire site? Go to his web site and you'll find the answers to the questions you just asked.
QuoteHOW is he going to fund NCLB?
Create A National Education Trust Fund.
QuoteHOW is he going to get teachers to go to high need schools?
The plan will offer teachers more: pay hikes of $5,000 for teachers in high-need areas or shortage subjects, as well as better training, mentoring, and career development opportunities.
QuoteHOW is he going to pay teahers more?
By requiring states to offer teachers a $5000 bonus for working in troubled schools or filling slots where there is a shortage. Otherwise they don't get federal funding.
QuoteHOW is he going to reduce dropouts?
expanding mentoring and tutoring, breaking up large schools that aren't working, and holding schools accountable for success in graduating students with a high-quality education.
QuoteHOW is he going to pay for the mentoring?
GEAR UP, which pairs colleges with middle- and high-schools in low-income communities and provides students with mentors, have a proven record of success in increasing both high school graduation and college attendance rates.
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/education/resources.html
If you have more questions, go to the site. Each of the responses I've posted above have detailed plans of action associated with them.
Just because you don't personally know what his plans are doesn't mean he doesn't have one. And if you looked with an open mind at what he has to say, you'd see that his platform issues are well thought out and detailed.
Zenister 0
omg 
you cant be suggesting voters take the time to research and read? sound bites are so much more informative....
you cant be suggesting voters take the time to research and read? sound bites are so much more informative....____________________________________
Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
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I know. I stumbled on his site by mistake one day. Up until then I was 100% behind bush because I saw someone call the DemoKKKratic candidate "sKerry". I figured that's all I needed to know to make up my mind.
TheAnvil 0
Why do I support conservatives so vehemently at the national level? Why, because I despise the alternative so much. 'Tis a sad thing that libertarian principles (some of which I do not adhere to) would do the most good at the national level but I cannot vote that way in national elections because the prospect of a socialist in office perturbs me so greatly.
A few reasons I detest them so are (in no particular order):
- Racial discrimination. I against it. Kerry is for it. Not getting my vote. Period.
- Funding. sKerry and the DNC's biggest donor is the AFL-CIO, headed by socialist Jack Sweeney. I don't like socialism at all.
- Unions. Speaking of them, dems support forced union membership, and I think that's evil. They also seek to expand government unions. I say there can be no collective bargaining with the government because the gov't is not in business for a profit. FDR agreed with me on that. Unions of federal employees are a de Tocquevellian scythe; a threat to the republic that must be stopped. Not with a Dem in office.
- Health Care. He wants to socialize medicine. I think that's goat-fuck stupid.
- Social Security. The Dem solution to this is a band-aid that cannot hold.
- Tax cuts. He wants to let the Bush tax cuts expire, i.e. give us a massive tax increase. Screw him.
- Foreign policy. John 'Neville' Kerry impresses me not at all.
- Economy. His plans to punish US multinationals for seeking to optimize themselves to compete internationally is so stupid the vernacular lacks sufficient depth to describe it sans obscenities.
- Environment. What a dumbass. End foreign oil dependence and no ANWR drilling.
- Abortion. His views disgust me both legally and morally. That he claims to be Catholic is nauseating to me (I'm Catholic).
- Education. The Democrats have no vested interest in education because, as you yourself have stated, educated professionals do not tend to vote for them. Kerry's plan for education is throwing more money at it, which hasn't worke and won't work until massive reform is accomplished in the teacher training pipeline (among other things). Any such reforms are long term solutions to the education fiasco the NEA and AFT have made for us. School vouchers are a NOW solution which sKerry cannot support because he is a tool of the teacher's unions, which are vehemently against vouchers of any sort. Any other solution is a long term solution. When sKerry says he is going to help support poor children in poor schools and then doesn't support vouchers, I think 'moron' immediately.
Among other reasons. I despise the platform of the left on many levels. Hence my avid support of conservatives in national elections.
Vinny the Anvil
A few reasons I detest them so are (in no particular order):
- Racial discrimination. I against it. Kerry is for it. Not getting my vote. Period.
- Funding. sKerry and the DNC's biggest donor is the AFL-CIO, headed by socialist Jack Sweeney. I don't like socialism at all.
- Unions. Speaking of them, dems support forced union membership, and I think that's evil. They also seek to expand government unions. I say there can be no collective bargaining with the government because the gov't is not in business for a profit. FDR agreed with me on that. Unions of federal employees are a de Tocquevellian scythe; a threat to the republic that must be stopped. Not with a Dem in office.
- Health Care. He wants to socialize medicine. I think that's goat-fuck stupid.
- Social Security. The Dem solution to this is a band-aid that cannot hold.
- Tax cuts. He wants to let the Bush tax cuts expire, i.e. give us a massive tax increase. Screw him.
- Foreign policy. John 'Neville' Kerry impresses me not at all.
- Economy. His plans to punish US multinationals for seeking to optimize themselves to compete internationally is so stupid the vernacular lacks sufficient depth to describe it sans obscenities.
- Environment. What a dumbass. End foreign oil dependence and no ANWR drilling.
- Abortion. His views disgust me both legally and morally. That he claims to be Catholic is nauseating to me (I'm Catholic).
- Education. The Democrats have no vested interest in education because, as you yourself have stated, educated professionals do not tend to vote for them. Kerry's plan for education is throwing more money at it, which hasn't worke and won't work until massive reform is accomplished in the teacher training pipeline (among other things). Any such reforms are long term solutions to the education fiasco the NEA and AFT have made for us. School vouchers are a NOW solution which sKerry cannot support because he is a tool of the teacher's unions, which are vehemently against vouchers of any sort. Any other solution is a long term solution. When sKerry says he is going to help support poor children in poor schools and then doesn't support vouchers, I think 'moron' immediately.
Among other reasons. I despise the platform of the left on many levels. Hence my avid support of conservatives in national elections.
Vinny the Anvil
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Ok, you've told me why you don't like the democrats on specific issues. For those same issues, could you tell me why you support the republican party?
For example, funding. Who funds them and why is that preferable? Health care, what is the republican solution to the health care costs in the US? Social Security, what is the republican solution, what have they done toward that end? Taxes, how do you plan to fund the gov't? Economy, tell me how giving companies a free ride for outsourcing jobs helps our economy. Environment, what is the republican plan for protecting the health of our citizens and environment?
I deliberately left out the issues that I know we'd both never budge in our opposition due to philosophical differences. But the above I think our open for discussion.
For example, funding. Who funds them and why is that preferable? Health care, what is the republican solution to the health care costs in the US? Social Security, what is the republican solution, what have they done toward that end? Taxes, how do you plan to fund the gov't? Economy, tell me how giving companies a free ride for outsourcing jobs helps our economy. Environment, what is the republican plan for protecting the health of our citizens and environment?
I deliberately left out the issues that I know we'd both never budge in our opposition due to philosophical differences. But the above I think our open for discussion.
Ron 10
QuoteActually, he does. Do you want me to cut and paste his entire site? Go to his web site and you'll find the answers to the questions you just asked.
I have been to both websites...
Kerry makes a ton of promisses but no action plans.
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HOW is he going to fund NCLB?
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Create A National Education Trust Fund.
WHO is paying for it and how? Money just does not appear when you create a trust fund.
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HOW is he going to get teachers to go to high need schools?
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The plan will offer teachers more: pay hikes of $5,000 for teachers in high-need areas or shortage subjects, as well as better training, mentoring, and career development opportunities.
And how does he plan on PAYING for it???? Is he going to open his wallet?
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HOW is he going to pay teahers more?
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By requiring states to offer teachers a $5000 bonus for working in troubled schools or filling slots where there is a shortage. Otherwise they don't get federal funding.
Again HOW??? Is he just going to print more money?
QuoteJust because you don't personally know what his plans are doesn't mean he doesn't have one. And if you looked with an open mind at what he has to say, you'd see that his platform issues are well thought out and detailed.
I have looked at his site, and all I see are promisses that he can't put into place...He can try all he likes, but money is not going to just appear when he says Shazam.
In fact I have spent more time on his site than Bush's....
Kerry has no WORKABLE action plans.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
TheAnvil 0
Health care. TORT REFORM. Killed by Ted Kennedy and pals in the Senate this year. Those taking MILLIONS from trial lawyers - not to mention running one for VP - will NEVER address this issue.
Social Security. Partial privatization can save the system.
Taxes. National Retail Sales Tax in conjunction with a Flat Tax would suit me just fine.
Outsourcing. I don't care. Period. Research the issue a bit and you won't either.
Environment. The republicans get a bad rap here from enviro-nazi's - including several who love their SUVs, one named GORE in particular. Their plan isn't much better or worse than the Dem's.
Vinny the Anvil
Social Security. Partial privatization can save the system.
Taxes. National Retail Sales Tax in conjunction with a Flat Tax would suit me just fine.
Outsourcing. I don't care. Period. Research the issue a bit and you won't either.
Environment. The republicans get a bad rap here from enviro-nazi's - including several who love their SUVs, one named GORE in particular. Their plan isn't much better or worse than the Dem's.
Vinny the Anvil
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QuoteFor example, funding. Who funds them and why is that preferable?
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Successful people who had to work hard to get where they are at. (C.I.O.'s VP's small business owners) Not dimwhitt actor who got lucky and have more money than they know what to do with.
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Health care, what is the republican solution to the health care costs in the US?
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Leave it alone, its by far the best health care system in the world and its 1/7 of the U.S. economy Socializing it would destroy it just as Socialism destroy everything that it affects. Need more proof take a trip to Eastern Europe.
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Social Security, what is the republican solution, what have they done toward that end?
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Privatize it. The way it is now is a crock. When somebody who made $100K a year and payed twice as much into it collects the same as somebody who made $50K a year and payed half as much common sense says its not fair. And when some immigrant who never worked a day in his life here and payed nothing into it can cash in and collect as well common sense again says there is something wrong. What could be the reason for doing something so stupid. Oh, I will answer that. Its a lot easier for the liberals to get some immigrant to vote for them so why not encourage more of them to come here and live off the hard work of the the Americans.
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Taxes, how do you plan to fund the gov't?
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I love this one. Its a very simple concept that anyone with half a brain can understand. 30% of $100, is more than 35% of $75. Everytime liberals raise taxes, the economy slows down significantly more than my example and the federal government gets less from tax money. Those numbers I gave were not exact but they get to the point. This simple fact has been documented over and over again. Are liberals just too mathematically handicapped to see it? Well I think the majority of the followers are but I don't believe the politicians are that stupid. I think they are simply dishonest and lying because the just don't care about anything other than staying in power and as sad as it is, it works for them because there are enough with so much class envy and lack of intelligence to keep repeating this propanganda.
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Economy, tell me how giving companies a free ride for outsourcing jobs helps our economy.
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that goes right back to taxation.
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Environment, what is the republican plan for protecting the health of our citizens and environment?
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Look at Kerry's job application and see what he has to say about windmills and then see if you really believe he cares. The reality is that this is just another bogus issue for the foolish to get caught on. Global warming is a funny scary movie up until you start bankrupting companies which in turn ruin people's lives just so the liberals can have some other bogus issue on their ticket. If he really cares then ask him to stop harming the environment by flying around in his private jets. Or what about the five SUV's. I mean this arguement is such a crock how can you even mention it?
If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
turtlespeed 226
QuoteQuoteLots of promises...but no action plan.
Actually, he does. Do you want me to cut and paste his entire site? Go to his web site and you'll find the answers to the questions you just asked.QuoteHOW is he going to fund NCLB?
Create A National Education Trust Fund.QuoteHOW is he going to get teachers to go to high need schools?
The plan will offer teachers more: pay hikes of $5,000 for teachers in high-need areas or shortage subjects, as well as better training, mentoring, and career development opportunities.QuoteHOW is he going to pay teahers more?
By requiring states to offer teachers a $5000 bonus for working in troubled schools or filling slots where there is a shortage. Otherwise they don't get federal funding.QuoteHOW is he going to reduce dropouts?
expanding mentoring and tutoring, breaking up large schools that aren't working, and holding schools accountable for success in graduating students with a high-quality education.QuoteHOW is he going to pay for the mentoring?
GEAR UP, which pairs colleges with middle- and high-schools in low-income communities and provides students with mentors, have a proven record of success in increasing both high school graduation and college attendance rates.
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/education/resources.html
If you have more questions, go to the site. Each of the responses I've posted above have detailed plans of action associated with them.
Just because you don't personally know what his plans are doesn't mean he doesn't have one. And if you looked with an open mind at what he has to say, you'd see that his platform issues are well thought out and detailed.
One more question . . . Who do you REALLY think will end up paying for this "Plan"?
In PK's defence - I think he knows not what he wishes for.
After reading samples of what he is for and against . . . I have come to the conclusion that he believes that we should work, and the government will allow us alla substinence check. Out of the rest of what we earn by working, we will be allowed to keep this same check after we retire. Everyone will be given the same rate of pay, and the same education. But we should be able to buy as many guns as we want. BUT, if you are still living above your means, you should be given more - so that there is equality in the country. AND, if you need less, and the government will let you know who this is, then what is not needed will go to those that DO need more. Lets forhet about competition and Success, lets just make everyone on the same playing field.
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Not even close. What I want is for everyone to start from the same spot in the competition.
You can't compete without an education. You can't compete without healthcare. You can't compete without safe drinking water. You can't compete without food.
I don't want the gov't giving people vacations and TVs. I want the American People to want to take care of their own and make sure that everyone in this country gets the basic necessities of life. We are no longer an industiral society, we are part of an global information economy. Therefore, higher education is now a prerequisite to competition.
What turtlespeed wants is to take what he got because he was born into a better situation than his fellow americans and keep it for himself caring less about their outcome.
You can't compete without an education. You can't compete without healthcare. You can't compete without safe drinking water. You can't compete without food.
I don't want the gov't giving people vacations and TVs. I want the American People to want to take care of their own and make sure that everyone in this country gets the basic necessities of life. We are no longer an industiral society, we are part of an global information economy. Therefore, higher education is now a prerequisite to competition.
What turtlespeed wants is to take what he got because he was born into a better situation than his fellow americans and keep it for himself caring less about their outcome.
turtlespeed 226
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What turtlespeed wants is to take what he got because he was born into a better situation than his fellow americans and keep it for himself caring less about their outcome.
Close.
What I want is for those that think they should, contribute to those they think they should contribute to.
Me, I didn't take welfare, I didn't use unemployment, I didn';t use grants - so why should I pay for them.
How many slots do you pay for, to the student, when you see a new student show up at the dropzone? How many tandems do they make you pay for, just to give everyone an equal chance?
I think PK needs to buck up and buy me a new house. Look at all the money I saved him in taxes.
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Ron 10
QuoteWhat I want is for everyone to start from the same spot in the competition.
What about those that are unwilling to work for it?
I mean Bill Cosby said that many young black kids are not taking advantage of the opportunities that they have been given. I am sure there are as many whites sitting around expecting something for nothing..So what do you do about them? Let them starve?
Also it is NEVER going to be equal. The best you can hope for is to provide the OPPORTUNITY to people...you can't make them do anything if they don't want to.
By providing everyone with houses, food and spending money you remove many peoples desire to work to try and get more.
They live off of society, and will never strive for more.
QuoteI want the American People to want to take care of their own and make sure that everyone in this country gets the basic necessities of life.
You think they should WORK for them, or should they just be GIVEN to them?
QuoteWe are no longer an industiral society, we are part of an global information economy. Therefore, higher education is now a prerequisite to competition.
What about those that refuse to go to school?
QuoteWhat turtlespeed wants is to take what he got because he was born into a better situation than his fellow americans and keep it for himself caring less about their outcome.
Maybe he like I don't want to give lazy people everthing they need so they will not EARN anything.
I am all about helping those that will WORK. But if you plan on doing nothing...expect nothing from me.
For the record...I have been broke...I hated it and changed it.
I have no sympathy for able bodied people who are to lazy to try and make themselves and their situation beter.
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QuoteMe, I didn't take welfare, I didn't use unemployment, I didn';t use grants - so why should I pay for them.
Who should, the people who need it? Kind of a catch 22 isn't it? You can't get a job so we'll give you unemployment...here's your bill for the unemployment we're givign you
QuoteHow many slots do you pay for, to the student, when you see a new student show up at the dropzone? How many tandems do they make you pay for, just to give everyone an equal chance?
I'm pretty sure no one would classify skydiving as a basic necessity (food, shelter, clothing, education, health care).
QuoteWhat I want is for those that think they should, contribute to those they think they should contribute to.
Ok, fine. What's your charity of choice? I'm sure you support some gov't programs that I don't. Hmmm, here's one, Iraq. Let's say that your tax dollars are going to Iraq, and mine are going to welfare recipients.
There you go, I just elliminated all taxes of yours going to welfare, and you elliminated all taxes of mine going to the war. Now we're even.
QuoteWhat about those that are unwilling to work for it?
Then they'll never get further than the bare necessities of life.
QuoteAlso it is NEVER going to be equal. The best you can hope for is to provide the OPPORTUNITY to people...you can't make them do anything if they don't want to.
That's the point. What opportunity does a kid who grew up poor with uneducated parents, and a shitty education from a run down public school have for higher education? I'm not saying give him a degree in nuclear science. I'm saying provide the opportunity for him to get an education.
QuoteThey live off of society, and will never strive for more.
Who is they? I know several people who have had to take advantage of welfare. One was abandoned by her husband with an infant. One was in a nasty car accident and unable to get out of a hospital bed for 6 months. And another was laid off and unable to find work for 6 months. And don't give me the crap about getting a job at a gas station or McDonalds. He applied for those jobs, but didn't get them because he was overqualified and the employers didn't want to hire and train him for those jobs with the expectation he would quit as soon as possible.
All three of those people are now gainfully employed after receiving temporary assistance.
And as far as education goes, it's well known that the more educated people are, the more money they make, the more taxes they pay. I got some tuition assistance. The job I have as a result has resulted in me paying WAY MORE in taxes that I would have without it, and way more than the assistance I received.
I love how giving business tax breaks is helping the economy, but giving people educations to get better jobs, make more money, and pay more taxes doesn't.
QuoteBy providing everyone with houses, food and spending money you remove many peoples desire to work to try and get more.
And by not providing people with food and shelter, you end up with beggars on the street.
QuoteWhat about those that refuse to go to school?
Well, gee, I guess they won't be getting too much education assistance then, would they?
QuoteMaybe he like I don't want to give lazy people everthing they need so they will not EARN anything.
Please tell me exactly how you could get "everything you need" from welfare without working. Show me the programs you could apply to to get that. It doesn't exist.
QuoteI am all about helping those that will WORK. But if you plan on doing nothing...expect nothing from me.
I agree. There are very very few people who receive welfare that fit that description.
turtlespeed 226
QuoteAnd by not providing people with food and shelter, you end up with beggars on the street.
NO!, you end up with lower taxes - which translates into more spending money for the public - which translates to more buisnesses - which translates into more jobs - which translates into food, shelter, and the basics for life. Additionally - it gives a sense of accomplishment. You take that away and all you have left is melencholy and a feeling os self worthlessness.
As far as your friends that were unfortunate - I think they need to pay back what was given to them.
If you are given something that you need at the time and don't pay for it - you need to pay back that loan. That is why I never asked for any assistance - and yes - for a while - I _ DID _ have to live on the street. Somehow, I managed to overcome that - If I can - So can everyone else. If they can't, then they don't need to bad enough.
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Quoteand yes - for a while - I _ DID _ have to live on the street.
You actually slept on the sidewalk, with no shelter, no where to bathe, and no where to eat?
If you did, then I have a lot more respect for your opinion. But I volunteer for an organization called Stand Up For Kids. In PA, it's illegal for kids under 18 to live on the street. If they're caught living on the street, they are arrested and then returned to their parents. Many times they are living on the street because their parents raped them or beat them. They can't even go into a soup kitchen because legally, the workers there have to call the police and report that a child is there to get food. We go around at night to the places where these kids live, in culverts, card board shanty towns and along rail road tracks, to give them food, shoes and coats. What we are doing is illegal. Is that the kind of living on the streets that you did? How did you get out of that situation? What are you doing to help others in that situation? Your tax dollars don't go to them. Don't you think that maybe they should? Or are they just lazy freeloaders that don't deserve any help?
Good point. Why should the American public be educated? Why should we try to compete in a global economy? Why don't we just let our countrymen remain uneducated and unsuccessful? Why help others to earn and be productive in society?
Oh yeah, and how is giving them tax breaks taking your money? Or putting them to work? Why do you want to take their money?
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