Jib 0 #1 August 6, 2004 I guess there'e more than one veteran that doesn't like Kerry. www.donbendell.com -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #2 August 6, 2004 I don't know many that do...and I know many. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,099 #3 August 6, 2004 > I don't know many that do.. The people who served on his boat seem to. Of course, what do they know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 August 6, 2004 Can't find it now, but saw a gallup poll showing that veterans were around 70-30 for Bush, but currently active duty service members were just about 50-50. Interesting that those serving under the current CIC are less in his court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luv2Fall 0 #5 August 6, 2004 QuoteCan't find it now, but saw a gallup poll showing that veterans were around 70-30 for Bush, but currently active duty service members were just about 50-50. Interesting that those serving under the current CIC are less in his court. Lot of servicemen want to go "home". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #6 August 6, 2004 QuoteThe people who served on his boat seem to. Of course, what do they know? As opposed to men who served with him, and happened to be 50-150 feet away in the next boat? And men who served in the same unit in equivalent positions? Arguing about this is pointless, but overall the conclusion has to be that he was a slightly better than average officer who got himself sent home on very questionable purple hearts.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #7 August 6, 2004 I'd be quite interested in seeing how the poll that produced the 50-50 results was run. I know a LOT of active duty folks and only know 2 or three that plan on voting for John Kerry. Do you have a link? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #8 August 6, 2004 Quote Do you have a link? I'll look again. It was pretty straight forward, you know the kind...if election held today and choice is bush or kerry who do you pick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #9 August 6, 2004 Didn't find it yet, but did find this.....interesting. Do you think Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Richard Myers should keep their jobs, in light of allegations of prisoner abuse at Al Ghraib Prison in Iraq? Both should go 44.58% Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld recently told Senators that the present high demand on the military is "very likely a spike." How do you feel? He's wrong - 67.42% In a couple of recent cases, service members faced scrutiny for expressing less than total support for the war in Iraq. A soldier says he stripped of an R&R rotation and had to change wedding plans, after writing a critical opinion piece that appeared in The Washington Post. And several Marines may be in trouble for their appearance in Michael Moore’s controversial film, “Fahrenheit 9/11.” Is such treatment fair? No - 48.18% http://www.armytimes.com/static.php?f=view.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #10 August 6, 2004 I was just wondering where the poll was taken, # of folks polled, that sort of thing. Rank distribution of those polled would be VERY interesting. Rate/MOS/etc. Service. All would be of interest. Thanks anyway. Interesting metric to look at regardless of the above, as any indication that the military wouldn't vote monolithically republican would be as astounding as inner-city minorities not voting monolithically democrat. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #11 August 6, 2004 QuoteI was just wondering where the poll was taken, # of folks polled, that sort of thing. Rank distribution of those polled would be VERY interesting. Rate/MOS/etc. Service. All would be of interest. Thanks anyway. Interesting metric to look at regardless of the above, as any indication that the military wouldn't vote monolithically republican would be as astounding as inner-city minorities not voting monolithically democrat. My pleasure to astound you. Quote"The assertion that the military has historically voted Republican is an overstatement and overly simplistic," said David Segal, a military sociologist at the University of Maryland. "On the average," he said, "the professional military vote has been more Republican than the nation as a whole." But, "that tends to be true of all professions," including those in the legal and medical fields, he added. Research on the other 85 percent of military personnel – the junior enlisted service members – suggests that group is "pretty much mainstream American, not disproportionally conservative, not disproportionally Republican," Segal said. http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040729/news_1n29milvote.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #12 August 6, 2004 Damn...still can't find it, but more info to astound you. A bipartisan poll of 1,000 likely voters conducted in September found that Bush's approval rating among relatives of military personnel was 36 percent. Family members upset by Bush's policy on Iraq are venting through Web sites and public protests. The poll has a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points. http://www.freep.com/news/nw/mili11_20040311.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #13 August 6, 2004 I was always "impressed" by his alliance with Jane Fonda and the anti-war movement........throwing away his purple hearts (the same ones that he is so proud of now!)accusing his fellow sailors of war crimes.....admitting to war crimes........yeah......you bet.......that's the guy I want running the countryMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #14 August 6, 2004 Quotethat's the guy I want running the country So, we can count on your vote? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #15 August 6, 2004 QuoteSo, we can count on your vote? Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,099 #16 August 6, 2004 > I was always "impressed" by his alliance with Jane Fonda and the anti-war >movement........ He had no alliance with Jane Fonda. I'm anti-war, and I think most reasonable people are. >accusing his fellow sailors of war crimes..... Thank god we have honest people here and in Iraq who _were_ willing to accuse US soldiers of war crimes. If not, our soldiers would still be torturing, raping and killing Iraqi prisoners in the same place that Saddam Hussein did. We need a president who won't stand for that shit. >that's the guy I want running the country I don't know if Kerry will do a good job running the country; he's not much of a leader. He is, however, better than someone who has proven he can't even invade the right country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #17 August 6, 2004 Uh.....you skipped a few points....... purple heart toss? admitting to war crimes? any thoughts on those?Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,099 #18 August 6, 2004 >purple heart toss? His medals; he can do whatever he wants with them. Doesn't change whether he served or not. >admitting to war crimes? Better than never admitting to anything, I think. A lot of people in Viet Nam DID commit war crimes. Many of them made the papers. We learned a lot about what not to do there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #19 August 6, 2004 QuoteUh.....you skipped a few points....... Actually, you skipped the 800 threads that already covered these topics. Quotepurple heart toss? He didn't. Look up the story, that's not even close. Quoteadmitting to war crimes? Yep, admitted that he participated in free fire zones which were a violations of Geneva convention but didn't know that at the time. Then tried to make amends for that but of course, that's just him flip flopping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #20 August 6, 2004 QuoteInteresting that those serving under the current CIC are less in his court. They are younger, and therefore not as wise. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #21 August 6, 2004 Another difference between conservatives and liberals. You guys attibute people becoming conservative as they get older to wisdom. I attribute it to Satan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #22 August 6, 2004 QuoteAnother difference between conservatives and liberals. You guys attibute people becoming conservative as they get older to wisdom. I attribute it to Satan I was a leftie in my 20's, then drifted right as I aged. Now that I'm getting older, I find myself drifting back towards the center. My second childhood can't be far behind. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #23 August 6, 2004 QuoteI find myself drifting back towards the center. Yes....that's it...fight the evil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #24 August 6, 2004 So you mean you want him to move away from the Dems again?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #25 August 7, 2004 Quote"The assertion that the military has historically voted Republican is an overstatement and overly simplistic," said David Segal, a military sociologist at the University of Maryland. "On the average," he said, "the professional military vote has been more Republican than the nation as a whole." But, "that tends to be true of all professions," including those in the legal and medical fields, he added. Research on the other 85 percent of military personnel – the junior enlisted service members – suggests that group is "pretty much mainstream American, not disproportionally conservative, not disproportionally Republican," Segal said. Wait just a second. Hold the phone. Stop the presses. So professionals everywhere tend towards Republicans. So, hard working, successful people tend towards Republicans... So who does that leave for the Democrats?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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billvon 3,099 #16 August 6, 2004 > I was always "impressed" by his alliance with Jane Fonda and the anti-war >movement........ He had no alliance with Jane Fonda. I'm anti-war, and I think most reasonable people are. >accusing his fellow sailors of war crimes..... Thank god we have honest people here and in Iraq who _were_ willing to accuse US soldiers of war crimes. If not, our soldiers would still be torturing, raping and killing Iraqi prisoners in the same place that Saddam Hussein did. We need a president who won't stand for that shit. >that's the guy I want running the country I don't know if Kerry will do a good job running the country; he's not much of a leader. He is, however, better than someone who has proven he can't even invade the right country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #17 August 6, 2004 Uh.....you skipped a few points....... purple heart toss? admitting to war crimes? any thoughts on those?Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,099 #18 August 6, 2004 >purple heart toss? His medals; he can do whatever he wants with them. Doesn't change whether he served or not. >admitting to war crimes? Better than never admitting to anything, I think. A lot of people in Viet Nam DID commit war crimes. Many of them made the papers. We learned a lot about what not to do there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #19 August 6, 2004 QuoteUh.....you skipped a few points....... Actually, you skipped the 800 threads that already covered these topics. Quotepurple heart toss? He didn't. Look up the story, that's not even close. Quoteadmitting to war crimes? Yep, admitted that he participated in free fire zones which were a violations of Geneva convention but didn't know that at the time. Then tried to make amends for that but of course, that's just him flip flopping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #20 August 6, 2004 QuoteInteresting that those serving under the current CIC are less in his court. They are younger, and therefore not as wise. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #21 August 6, 2004 Another difference between conservatives and liberals. You guys attibute people becoming conservative as they get older to wisdom. I attribute it to Satan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #22 August 6, 2004 QuoteAnother difference between conservatives and liberals. You guys attibute people becoming conservative as they get older to wisdom. I attribute it to Satan I was a leftie in my 20's, then drifted right as I aged. Now that I'm getting older, I find myself drifting back towards the center. My second childhood can't be far behind. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #23 August 6, 2004 QuoteI find myself drifting back towards the center. Yes....that's it...fight the evil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #24 August 6, 2004 So you mean you want him to move away from the Dems again?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #25 August 7, 2004 Quote"The assertion that the military has historically voted Republican is an overstatement and overly simplistic," said David Segal, a military sociologist at the University of Maryland. "On the average," he said, "the professional military vote has been more Republican than the nation as a whole." But, "that tends to be true of all professions," including those in the legal and medical fields, he added. Research on the other 85 percent of military personnel – the junior enlisted service members – suggests that group is "pretty much mainstream American, not disproportionally conservative, not disproportionally Republican," Segal said. Wait just a second. Hold the phone. Stop the presses. So professionals everywhere tend towards Republicans. So, hard working, successful people tend towards Republicans... So who does that leave for the Democrats?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
