Kennedy 0 #1 August 5, 2004 QuoteGun Owners Shot Down Missouri Gov's Reelection Bid Missouri Gov. Bob Holden, a Democrat, is one of the few sitting governors ever to lose a primary election. But Holden should have seen it coming because of his anti-gun stand, a Second Amendment group said on Wednesday. Holden's defeat should serve as an object lesson for other politicians who place political correctness ahead of the personal safety of their constituents, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) said in a press release. "Show Me State gun owners showed Bob Holden the door," said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. "Although they tried to downplay it, both the St. Louis Post Dispatch and Kansas City Star acknowledged that Holden's veto of concealed carry legislation cost him critical votes, especially in rural Missouri." Missouri lawmakers returned to the state capital to override Holden's veto. "Bob Holden's veto last year got Missouri gun owners mad, and on Tuesday, gun owners got even," Gottlieb said. "The governor's other leadership problems on education, the economy and social issues certainly crippled him, but his anti-gun philosophy was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back." CCRKBA Executive Director Joe Waldron said Gov. Holden should serve as an example to other anti-gun politicians who may be tempted to underestimate the fury of gun owners. "Grassroots activism in the firearms community is alive and well, as Tuesday's primary vote demonstrated." Waldron said Holden's defeat proves politicians cannot give lip service to gun rights and personal protection -- while voting otherwise. "Gun owners are out there, in the tall grass, and they don't forget," he said. http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200408/CUL20040805a.shtmlwitty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 August 5, 2004 Quote "Gun owners are out there, in the tall grass, and they don't forget," he said. Yeah, there's nothing that makes me want to cooperate more than having my life (well, political life anyway) threatened with a sniper metaphor. Again, see dictionary entry for ironic.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #3 August 5, 2004 Wonder if they have closed primaries in MO and the democrats booted him or if a bunch of republicans got together to boot him from the dem ticket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #4 August 5, 2004 QuoteWonder if they have closed primaries in MO and the democrats booted him or if a bunch of republicans got together to boot him from the dem ticket. There was such bipartisan support for the CCW bill that the governor's VETO was overridden! It's probably safe to say that either way, enough people were pissed at him for essentially saying he had no faith in the goodness of those who would get concealed carry licenses, that they held him accountable for it. When a governor's veto is overridden, it pretty much says that either the state house is overwhelmingly republican and/or libertarian, or the democrats there are somewhat pro-gun also. Quade, your insinuation is irresponsible. You are unjustified for implying that they are threatening the LIFE of a politician through sniper fire; the metaphor works simply because hunters (gun owners) tend to do their thing in tall grass. They didn't say something like, "The bullseye is on the forehead of any anti-gun governor" or some shit like that, which would have more directly implied the "gun owners will getcha" threat in more concrete (though still metaphorical) terms. Blue skies, --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,638 #5 August 5, 2004 QuoteQuade, your insinuation is irresponsible. You are unjustified for implying that they are threatening the LIFE of a politician through sniper fire He wasn't accusing anyone of threatening anyone's life. He was commenting on his first personal impression of the use of a phrase. Kind of like Ron commenting on my using the term "impact on safety" on a thread about safety in skydiving in the Bonfire. Not everything is a plot against gun owners. Not even everything said by people with liberal views. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 August 5, 2004 Quote Quade, your insinuation is irresponsible. I said they were threatening his political life -- not his real life. It was irresponsible of the pro-gun advocates to use the metaphor to begin with as there are some people out there that can't tell the difference between metaphor and a command.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #7 August 5, 2004 QuoteYeah, there's nothing that makes me want to cooperate more than having my life (well, political life anyway) threatened with a sniper metaphor. Again, see dictionary entry for ironic. Yeah...that was kind of stupid."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #8 August 5, 2004 QuoteIt was irresponsible of the pro-gun advocates to use the metaphor to begin with as there are some people out there that can't tell the difference between metaphor and a command. Hmmm. Does that also count for the (Spanish language only) T shirts I used to see in college, that had a picture of the then governor of California (Pete Wilson) in a crosshair, with the caption "Enemy of the Race"?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #9 August 5, 2004 Quote*** "Gun owners are out there, in the tall grass, and they don't forget," he said..... It could have said,"Gun owners are out there, hiding on a grassy knoll". That would give me shivers, and I love guns.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #10 August 5, 2004 Quote Hmmm. Does that also count for the (Spanish language only) T shirts I used to see in college, that had a picture of the then governor of California (Pete Wilson) in a crosshair, with the caption "Enemy of the Race"? Lemme ask you, from your point of view, did it help or hurt their case? Seems to me you thought it was a pretty stupid design and not one that would help them. I'd tend to agree. Further, I'd take that at the very least as an incitement to overthrow the government by violent means if not an outright death threat. I'd be an interesting First Amendment case depending on where and when anyone wanted to put up a stink.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #11 August 5, 2004 I wasn't trying to say it wasn't an unfortunate phrasing. I was just pointing out that lots of other people have used similar symbology, and often in a much more threatening manner.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
quade 4 #10 August 5, 2004 Quote Hmmm. Does that also count for the (Spanish language only) T shirts I used to see in college, that had a picture of the then governor of California (Pete Wilson) in a crosshair, with the caption "Enemy of the Race"? Lemme ask you, from your point of view, did it help or hurt their case? Seems to me you thought it was a pretty stupid design and not one that would help them. I'd tend to agree. Further, I'd take that at the very least as an incitement to overthrow the government by violent means if not an outright death threat. I'd be an interesting First Amendment case depending on where and when anyone wanted to put up a stink.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #11 August 5, 2004 I wasn't trying to say it wasn't an unfortunate phrasing. I was just pointing out that lots of other people have used similar symbology, and often in a much more threatening manner.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites