JohnRich 4 #1 August 4, 2004 In the news, from Illinois: This past spring, the Illinois General Assembly passed a new bill requiring compulsory mental health screening for children and pregnant women; it was signed into law by Governor Blagojevich. This program will require all pregnant women and children through the age of 18 be tested for mental health needs. Under this new, compulsory mental health law, pregnant women will be screened for depression and following her baby's birth, evaluation would continue for up to one year. Follow up treatment will also be provided under this program. All children ages 0-18 years will be provided screening under this mental health program. "Mental health centers" at schools will handle the process to "ensure appropriate and culturally relevant assessment of young children's social and emotional development with the use of standardized tools." Full Story Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #2 August 4, 2004 Do you have this from a more trustworthy news source? If so, I'm glad I'm only an Illinois resident on paper... Step 2 to the creation of "The Peoples' Republic of Illinois..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #3 August 4, 2004 Geez. You'd think if they were going to do that, you'd do that BEFORE the woman got pregnant. Amazing when you think about it - you need years and years of expensive training to prescribe antibiotics for a kid's runny nose, but all you have to do to make the kid to begin with is to go to a bar, get drunk and then not say no. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 August 4, 2004 Quoteall you have to do to make the kid to begin with is to go to a bar, get drunk and then not say no. I try that....doesn't work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #5 August 4, 2004 QuoteDo you have this from a more trustworthy news source? Illinois Leader Illinois Legislature Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #6 August 4, 2004 QuoteIn the news, from Illinois: This past spring, the Illinois General Assembly passed a new bill requiring compulsory mental health screening for children and pregnant women; it was signed into law by Governor Blagojevich. This program will require all pregnant women and children through the age of 18 be tested for mental health needs. Under this new, compulsory mental health law, pregnant women will be screened for depression and following her baby's birth, evaluation would continue for up to one year. Follow up treatment will also be provided under this program. All children ages 0-18 years will be provided screening under this mental health program. "Mental health centers" at schools will handle the process to "ensure appropriate and culturally relevant assessment of young children's social and emotional development with the use of standardized tools." Full Story Sig Heil! WTF?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 August 4, 2004 I don't see how that could be Consititutional.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #8 August 4, 2004 QuoteI don't see how that could be Consititutional. And any freedom-loving person who tries to refuse the evaluation, will probably be automatically considered "deviant" for not going along with the program... "You're feeling a lot of hostility now, aren't you." From the "full text" of the Bill: "One in 10 children in Illinois suffers from a mental illness severe enough to cause some level of impairment; yet, in any given year only about 20% of these children receive mental health services" This makes me wonder what the heck their definition of "mental illness" is... The Bill passed 54-0 in the Senate, and 107-5 in the House. Parents aren't responsible for the well-being of their children any more - Big Brother is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #9 August 4, 2004 That's fucked up right there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #10 August 4, 2004 QuoteI don't see how that could be Consititutional. Ah hell, I was just watching 60 mins the other day and a bunch of liberals were saying we need more mental health care for new mothers. They cited the case in TX where that crazy Mom killed her kids. This was brought on by http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/07/28/baby.slain.ap/index.html (The 60 min piece, not the law.)"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #11 August 4, 2004 Quote"One in 10 children in Illinois suffers from a mental illness severe enough to cause some level of impairment; yet, in any given year only about 20% of these children receive mental health services" This makes me wonder what the heck their definition of "mental illness" is... No kidding. Hell, at least 3 out 4 people I know are mentally ill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcrocker 0 #12 August 4, 2004 QuoteAh hell, I was just watching 60 mins the other day and a bunch of liberals were saying we need more mental health care for new mothers. They cited the case in TX where that crazy Mom killed her kids. This was brought on by http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/07/28/baby.slain.ap/index.html (The 60 min piece, not the law.) I can see where having mental health services AVAILABLE for new mothers is a 'Good Thing' [tm]. I don't think it should be REQUIRED or MANDATORY and enforced by the government. Hell, people get killed with guns! should put a law in to ban them?.... Oh, wait... never mind Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #13 August 4, 2004 Quote This makes me wonder what the heck their definition of "mental illness" is... . Maybe jumping from great heights is an indication.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #14 August 4, 2004 Quote"One in 10 children in Illinois suffers from a mental illness severe enough to cause some level of impairment; yet, in any given year only about 20% of these children receive mental health services" Well, they've chosen to live in ILLINOIS, right?! QuoteParents aren't responsible for the well-being of their children any more - Big Brother is. Get all the skydivers out of Illinois -- it's time to fuckin' NUKE that place. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #15 August 4, 2004 Hmmm. At first I thought that it could have been pregnant women throught he age of 18 and children through the age of 18. Sure enough, I was wrong (happens a lot, I know). I'd love to challenge this law as violating equal protection. No depression treatments for fathers post-partum? I'm really shocked by this. Mental health (aka rat out your parents/blame your parents/my parents did satanic elephant sacrifices in my bedroom McMartin Preschool stuff) screenings are compulsory for all kids? I like the "compulsory" for pregnant mothers. What's the remedy if the mother doesn't go? Jail for the mother? 72 hour hold at the psycho ward? Sweet Jesus, it's hard enough getting them to go for damned prenatal care much less psych evals. Here I was making a thread on eugenics when I should have been making one on big brother counseling... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #16 August 4, 2004 QuoteI don't see how that could be Consititutional. The Constitution don't mean much these days, bubba. Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #17 August 5, 2004 Hi John (and all), I've gotta jump in on this (with my serious head on) for deeply personal reasons. Most of you will know that me and Iona have 3 kids. Lauren (12/1994), timothy (4/2000), Alasdair (8/2002). Now. Iona suffered a wee bit from post natal depression after Lauren. After Timothy it was significantly worse, and after Alasdair it was a pure nightmare. By the time Alasdair was 6 months old it was bad enough that MY doctor signed ME off work for 6 months, basically to care for the family and nurse Iona. Plus, while I was too stiff neck'd (proud) to admit it, it was seriously affecting my own health. I was the one who was going to continue to work, care for my wife, care for my family... And guess what? There just wasn't enough hours in the day to do it all. It has affected my health to the point where I'm now unfit for work (since January 2004) and am now clinically depressed. Yes, the "medication" jokes are no longer jokes. I'm now at the stage where I'm actually quite thankfull for paying all my taxes ($5-7 a gallon for gas for example) 'cos our welfare state is now giving my family enough money to pretty much maintain our lifestyle. But I digress. In my own experience, Post Natal Depression can completely maim entire families. It's effects are NOT confined simply to Mom, the sufferer. The effects ripple throughout the family, from wife to husband and kids. All are affected. Because of that, I'd welcome this legislation. Perhaps if Iona were to have been "screened" this evil illness would have shown up sooner, been treated sooner, before it could have done the damage that it did to all of us. Of course, it's now that I blame myself for my pride, my previous determination to "sort this out myself". My belief that this was MY family, and I would fix ALL it's problems WITHOUT outside help. That sounds so asinine now, but at the time... I wanted to maintain my independence, and, for want of a better term, mine and my family's "honour". Like all too many people, I firmly believed that I was well adjusted and snae. Mental health problems were something that affected OTHER people. not me. A major part of my job was to help OTHER people resolve THEIR problems. I saw myself as a "problem solver", not a "problem sufferer". Like I said, asinine. It's easy to see it from here. The point I make is that all too often the people with the problem can't see it 'cos they're in it. It takes people outside the problem to see it. Trained people. People with some authority to compel the sufferer to realise they have a problem. Friends are no good, 'cos the thing with a friends advice is that you don't have to take it, and ultimately you break the friendship 'cos you DON'T have a problem. You're coping, and the friend can't see that. Yeah. I've done A LOT of apologising, and I've still a lot to do. You can sometimes NEED a total (trained, qualified) outsider to TELL you that there's a problem, ideally BEFORE it gets serious. One more proof of my idiocy, I worked in "mental health" in the past. I heard the old psychiatrists joke: "25% of people are diagnosed with mental health problems at some time in their life.... That means that 75% of people manage to hide it!" Oh yeah... One other thing... It's actually "Sieg. Heil" (victory. Hurrah). Mike. . Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #18 August 5, 2004 "All are affected." Both timely and true Mike. I recently had a friend take her own life after a miscarriage. Can someone suffer both from post and ante natal depression at the same time? Perhaps if Nikki had been identified as 'at risk' she might still be around.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
