Ron 10 #1 August 4, 2004 Massachusetts allows gay marriage. Missouri just outlawed it (Well it was already against the law, but the now have a public voted on Amendment that says the same). Per NPR morning edition. So now what? Mo. does not have to recognize a marriage from Ma.? It WILL take the Feds to work this out."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #2 August 4, 2004 QuoteSo now what? Mo. does not have to recognize a marriage from Ma.? That's the million dollar question. This will be interesting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #3 August 4, 2004 >Mo. does not have to recognize a marriage from Ma.? >It WILL take the Feds to work this out. Why? Suppose MO does not recognize that marriage; what would the feds do? There are plenty of professional licenses you can get in one state that aren't valid in other states (massage licenses, health care ratings) - should the feds do something about that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #4 August 4, 2004 The federal Defense of Marriage Act already handles this. It states that other states are not compelled to recognize gay marriage. It will, of course, be challenged. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #5 August 4, 2004 QuoteWhy? Suppose MO does not recognize that marriage; what would the feds do? There are plenty of professional licenses you can get in one state that aren't valid in other states (massage licenses, health care ratings) - should the feds do something about that? Most states that don't consider another states professional licenses have a way to be recongnized in that state. You can take a test, a class, or appeal a board...In this case you can't do anything and a marriage would be invalid. So a same sex domestic couple that moved to MO will not be allowed to have the smae benefits as an opposite sex couple from the same state. And yes a National certification would be good in MANY cases for professional training."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #6 August 4, 2004 QuoteIt WILL take the Feds to work this out. The only way the Feds should be getting involved is with respect to state's rights & full faith & credit. Quite frankly, this is working the way I personally think it should work. If a state wants to be gay marriage, fine, that's their prerogative. If another wants to recognize it.. also fine. But if you have a legit marriage in one state, other states need to recognize the legality of it. You could turn this around... what if a state banned all STRAIGHT marriages and recognized only gay marriages? The same reasoning should apply. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #7 August 4, 2004 QuoteMassachusetts allows gay marriage. Missouri just outlawed it (Well it was already against the law, but the now have a public voted on Amendment that says the same). Per NPR morning edition. So now what? Mo. does not have to recognize a marriage from Ma.? It WILL take the Feds to work this out. Clinton passed the Marriage protection act which basically said, No state has to recognize a marriage from another state" So that being the case, law says MO does not have to accept MA's marriages. NH is already dealing with this. Recently a couple from NH got married in MA. They apply for a name change on their passport because they were now married. The state of NH refused their reason for the name change and told them they will have to deal with in the courts. It was not granted on his passport and he is stuck with his old last name for now. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #8 August 4, 2004 QuoteBut if you have a legit marriage in one state, other states need to recognize the legality of it. But they don't have to....I mean you think its the states rights to recognize it or not right? So what happens when a gay couple goes to MO. to work? And they find out that they can't claim their partner on helth insurance? You say its the states right...but would it be OK for the state to say no? QuoteBut if you have a legit marriage in one state, other states need to recognize the legality of it. Why? I mean if its against the law in that state why should they let you do it? QuoteYou could turn this around... what if a state banned all STRAIGHT marriages and recognized only gay marriages? The same reasoning should apply. You could try and apply it...But that case will never happen so lets stick to the current situation. Should a state allow a union in that state if it is against the law in that state. I can't carry a gun in all 50 states even though I can in FL."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #9 August 4, 2004 QuoteClinton passed the Marriage protection act which basically said, No state has to recognize a marriage from another state" That's such a great doublespeak name for that law. Protecting marriage by allowing states to not recognize them as valid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #10 August 4, 2004 >That's such a great doublespeak name for that law. Hey, that's nothing. There's also the Healty Forests Initiative that reduces forest protections and allows more clearcutting of forests. Then there's the Clear Skies act, acts that allow some powerplants to pollute more, and allows more SOx, NOx and mercury pollution. It widens the new-source-review loophole, allowing older powerplants to go on polluting essentially forever. It's a great way to get laws passed, though. How about we try these? -General Aviation Revitalization Act. Prevent anyone from getting a pilot's license unless they have extensive background checks, require all pilots to file IFR flight plans, and ground any aircraft that weighs under 12,500 pounds. -Education Support Act. We could cut education funding by 50% and just put some language in there that "children must have excellent teachers." That way, if anyone objects to it, we can say "What, you don't want our children to have excellent teachers?" -Gun-Owners Rights Act. We could require federal registration of all weapons, no matter what the type, and require all gun sales to take place in US government stores - the stock of which would be chosen to prevent sale of certain weapons. We could claim that this would "allow gun owners their Second Amendment rights to buy whatever gun they select in a safe, federally-controlled store." And if anyone objects to THAT, we could say "Hey, why do you hate gun owners so much? You must be a Michael Moore lover." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #11 August 5, 2004 Quote>That's such a great doublespeak name for that law. Hey, that's nothing. There's also the Healty Forests Initiative that reduces forest protections and allows more clearcutting of forests. Then there's the Clear Skies act, acts that allow some powerplants to pollute more, and allows more SOx, NOx and mercury pollution. It widens the new-source-review loophole, allowing older powerplants to go on polluting essentially forever. It's a great way to get laws passed, though. How about we try these? -General Aviation Revitalization Act. Prevent anyone from getting a pilot's license unless they have extensive background checks, require all pilots to file IFR flight plans, and ground any aircraft that weighs under 12,500 pounds. -Education Support Act. We could cut education funding by 50% and just put some language in there that "children must have excellent teachers." That way, if anyone objects to it, we can say "What, you don't want our children to have excellent teachers?" -Gun-Owners Rights Act. We could require federal registration of all weapons, no matter what the type, and require all gun sales to take place in US government stores - the stock of which would be chosen to prevent sale of certain weapons. We could claim that this would "allow gun owners their Second Amendment rights to buy whatever gun they select in a safe, federally-controlled store." And if anyone objects to THAT, we could say "Hey, why do you hate gun owners so much? You must be a Michael Moore lover." And then there's WOMANS SUFFERAGE!!! END WOMENS SUFFERAGE NOW!!!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #12 August 5, 2004 >END WOMENS SUFFERAGE NOW!!!!!!!!! Exactly! I mean, who's going to claim they support women's suffring? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #13 August 5, 2004 What's funny is, a while back the "Man Show" did a segment on that. THey set up a booth to get people to sign a petition to end Womens Suffrage.... They got hundreds of signatures mainly by women. It was hilarious!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #14 August 5, 2004 QuoteThey apply for a name change on their passport because they were now married. The state of NH refused their reason for the name change and told them they will have to deal with in the courts. It was not granted on his passport and he is stuck with his old last name for now. Um, the state of NH has it's own passports?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #15 August 5, 2004 Quote I personally think it should work. If a state wants to be gay marriage, fine, that's their prerogative. If another wants to recognize it.. also fine. But if you have a legit marriage in one state, other states need to recognize the legality of it. I hope you are talking about the people of the state, Not some left wing judge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #16 August 5, 2004 If the majority of people would like it to work that way. Which means the minority will be unhappy. The "left wing judge" doesn't grow in a vacuum. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #17 August 5, 2004 No, they applied through the state in order to have their name changed. They already had the passports, however, the state can update the information there in. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #18 August 5, 2004 QuoteQuoteThey apply for a name change on their passport because they were now married. The state of NH refused their reason for the name change and told them they will have to deal with in the courts. It was not granted on his passport and he is stuck with his old last name for now. Um, the state of NH has it's own passports? So you don't think I am crazy here is the article on CNN http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/07/27/gay.passport.ap/ ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #19 August 5, 2004 Can anything grow in a Vacuum? Just a question to ponder. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #20 August 5, 2004 QuoteCan anything grow in a Vacuum? Just a question to ponder. I'm thinking that just about everything grows in a vacuum. Think about it. (start simple with a ball of gas) Edit: Unless you mean Vacuum Cleaner. If that's the case, then I'm getting some Advil. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #21 August 5, 2004 QuoteQuoteCan anything grow in a Vacuum? Just a question to ponder. I'm thinking that just about everything grows in a vacuum. Think about it. (start simple with a ball of gas) Edit: Unless you mean Vacuum Cleaner. If that's the case, then I'm getting some Advil. . . . and a Cessna - and a slow climb to altitude - Expansive gasses - and - OMG WTF was that? Isn't the true meaning of a vacume - "totally void of matter" In which case nothing would grow there because nothing is there in the first place.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #22 August 5, 2004 QuoteIsn't the true meaning of a vacume - "totally void of matter" In which case nothing would grow there because nothing is there in the first place. Sorry, I missed that - I was listening to the sound of a tree falling in a forest on top of someone clapping with one hand. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
