Ron 10 #76 August 4, 2004 QuotePer his bio, he started his degree in 1973 and designed the Weeks Racer in 1977. Then : a. it took him a LONG time to finish the degree. Well hell its only 4 years...So he could have been in school when he did it. But thats not HAVING a degree now is it? b. He bragged c. His bio is wrong."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #77 August 4, 2004 QuoteSome one was saying that Mexico has such dirty air and its due to their lax environmental regulations, would you perfer that we have the same air quality just for cheap gas? Is it Mexico, or Mexico City? Anyhow, I would prefer something in the middle. Opening closed refineries and building new ones would certainly help keep the price of gas low and would also put some folks back to work. Both, I think, would be good for everyone. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #78 August 4, 2004 QuoteIn 1973, at age 20, Weeks had began taking to the air in aerobatic flying competitions while pursuing an aeronautical engineering degree at Miami-Dade Junior College, the University of Florida and Purdue University. By 1977, Kermit had built the "Weeks Special," an aerobatic aircraft of his own design and qualified for the United States Aerobatics Team. So he started school in 73, and got his degree, then designed and BUILT the plane in 4 years?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #79 August 4, 2004 >then designed and BUILT the plane in 4 years? No idea. The important thing is that he had training in how to design and build aircraft. I've been a pilot for 15 years (although I only have 250 hours flying) and I've been designing stuff for aircraft for 12 years - but if I tried to design an aircraft myself, the one aero/astro design class I took and the several mech-E classes (and subsequent experience designing stuff) would be far more important than my experience as a pilot - although being a pilot would definitely help. Would you fly in an airplane that was designed by a man who had never heard of metal fatigue, stress relief or mechanical resonance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #80 August 4, 2004 The way thats worded just says at 20 he started flying while working on his degree. He might have been working on the degree for 2 years already and just stated to compete at age 20.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #81 August 4, 2004 Quote>then designed and BUILT the plane in 4 years? No idea. But you just claimed he did, now you don't know? Even when I gave you a report saying the information you had was incorrect. Are you LYING Bill? You flat out lied to me. (Sound familar?) QuoteI've been a pilot for 15 years (although I only have 250 hours flying) and I've been designing stuff for aircraft for 12 years - but if I tried to design an aircraft myself, the one aero/astro design class I took and the several mech-E classes (and subsequent experience designing stuff) would be far more important than my experience as a pilot - although being a pilot would definitely help. And maybe if you had 20,000 hours instead of 250 would help? QuoteWould you fly in an airplane that was designed by a man who had never heard of metal fatigue, stress relief or mechanical resonance? Given the choice of flying two planes: 1. Built by an engineer with the ink still wet on his degree, but with all the right classes and a good GPA. 2. Built by a guy with 40 years of flying experience and 20,000 hours and several good designs... I'll choose #2 thanks."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #82 August 4, 2004 >Given the choice of flying two planes: >1. Built by an engineer with the ink still wet on his degree, but with > all the right classes and a good GPA. >2. Built by a guy with 40 years of flying experience and 20,000 hours > and several good designs... If by "good designs" you mean that he's designed several other aircraft, then no problem - he has the training and experience he needs to design aircraft. Nevertheless, my original point stands - a man who has NO OTHER EXPERIENCE other than his piloting is a poor aircraft designer; a man who has training in building aircraft will be a better designer. Most of the people who designed the DC-3, 747, F-14 were not pilots. It's pretty common that non-engineers think that experience doing something equates to ability to design the thing itself. Just ain't true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #83 August 4, 2004 Wow, the evolution of a debate thread is something to be hold, I've got to tell ya!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #84 August 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteName them. Weeks special Why don't you tell Kermit that he has no math or engineering skills. I believe he's based at Lakeland, pretty near you.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #85 August 4, 2004 QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >then designed and BUILT the plane in 4 years? No idea. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But you just claimed he did, now you don't know? Even when I gave you a report saying the information you had was incorrect. Are you LYING Bill? You flat out lied to me. (Sound familar?) No coment on that? How can I believe anything you say since you lied about Weeks? I mean you had good intel, but you twisted it to fit your needs. QuoteIf by "good designs" you mean that he's designed several other aircraft, then no problem - he has the training and experience he needs to design aircraft. Nevertheless, my original point stands - a man who has NO OTHER EXPERIENCE other than his piloting is a poor aircraft designer; a man who has training in building aircraft will be a better designer. Most of the people who designed the DC-3, 747, F-14 were not pilots. It's pretty common that non-engineers think that experience doing something equates to ability to design the thing itself. Just ain't true. Ok but like I said a new engineer with a still wet degree is not someone I would want to trust either."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #86 August 4, 2004 You didn´t answer my question! What is wrong with going to college? You seem to think that going to college unqualifies you to be an authority in the matter you studied Just for the record, when you finish college you have the theoretical knowledge to gather experience on your own. If you don´t know the theory, you will hardly be proficient enough to learn from experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #87 August 4, 2004 QuoteYou didn´t answer my question! What is wrong with going to college? You seem to think that going to college unqualifies you to be an authority in the matter you studied Just for the record, when you finish college you have the theoretical knowledge to gather experience on your own. If you don´t know the theory, you will hardly be proficient enough to learn from experience. Hey stud...thats cause you never asked ME.... Peep this then apologize: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1187363#1187363"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #88 August 5, 2004 I guess my comments came off the back of a radio show that was debating the concept of 'Fair Trade'. The debate included a chat with sugar farmers from the US. They were moaning that they produced sugar in accordance with local labour laws, safety regulations,environmental constraints etc, and therefore could not compete with cheaper imported sugar produced under less strict conditions. The US farmers were advocating a boycott on imports that were not produced under equal conditions, bouncing back the fair trade argument. This aproach sounded reasonable to me, however there is a downside......expensive sugar, or in our case expensive petroleum products."We could build new refineries here and reopen some of the closed refineries." Absolutely, and I'm surprised old 'Uncle Dick' hasn't floated a plan past the boss. Tax incentives etc could be used to stimulate modernising existing plants and building compliant new ones, good for the economy, jobs, global environment, etc, and would reduce the balance of trade deficit. Another plus, do you know who builds a lot of these things.....Big Red, our old friends and my current employers, Halliburton.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
