quade 4 #1 August 3, 2004 Does anybody think it's ironic this movie came out last weekend considering the recent DHS announcements? I guess if you haven't seen it yet, you have no idea what I'm talking about . . .quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #2 August 3, 2004 no, and actually i think Ron makes more accurate use of the word 'ironic' too.. its a pretty good movie actually, but like most of his not quite what the previews lead you to believe...seemed to be written as a play with lots of intimate 2 person scenes/shots even when they took place in a party.... of course this movie was completely timed to make the most of political comparisons and so get the 'extra' publicity and revenue... but hardly ironic...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 August 3, 2004 http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ironic Quote i·ron·ic also i·ron·i·cal (-rn-kl) adj. Characterized by or constituting irony. Given to the use of irony. See Synonyms at sarcastic. Poignantly contrary to what was expected or intended: madness, an ironic fate for such a clear thinker. I went in expecting a scary movie and ended up seeing something, well, ironic, considering the current state of affairs regarding the DHS. Quote of course this movie was completely timed to make the most of political comparisons and so get the 'extra' publicity and revenue... Uh, no. Certainly NOT in this case. The timing of the movie (released by Disney BTW who chose not to release Michael Moore's movie because of its political nature.) There's just no freekin' way 99.9% of the suits at Disney even had a clue that this could be looked at in a political light -- they just aren't that clever -- trust me. All they saw was the money that flowed in from his previous films (Sixth Sense, Unbreakable . . . ) and they just ran with it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #4 August 3, 2004 Quotehttp://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ironic Quote i·ron·ic also i·ron·i·cal (-rn-kl) adj. Characterized by or constituting irony. Given to the use of irony. See Synonyms at sarcastic. Poignantly contrary to what was expected or intended: madness, an ironic fate for such a clear thinker. I went in expecting a scary movie and ended up seeing something, well, ironic, considering the current state of affairs regarding the DHS. Quote of course this movie was completely timed to make the most of political comparisons and so get the 'extra' publicity and revenue... Uh, no. Certainly NOT in this case. The timing of the movie (released by Disney BTW who chose not to release Michael Moore's movie because of its political nature.) There's just no freekin' way 99.9% of the suits at Disney even had a clue that this could be looked at in a political light -- they just aren't that clever -- trust me. All they saw was the money that flowed in from his previous films (Sixth Sense, Unbreakable . . . ) and they just ran with it. i'll have to accept your opinion as i haven’t met many Disney exec's.. but the political subtext in the movie was about as subtle as being hit with a lemon wrapped around a gold brick...sure it is contained in a story with a great deal of other intended interpretations, but that illustrates the difference between a good writer and a mere propagandist, the propagandist is only interested in depicting his particular message, a writer in interested in the story that conveys multiple meanings, but the political message is clearly secondary (or even farther back) to the story and the characters, its particularly evident in the way the movie is intimately shot…..hmm I’d suggest we hold off a bit on to much detail/discussion till more have seen it…____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 August 3, 2004 Quote I’d suggest we hold off a bit on to much detail/discussion till more have seen it… Agreed. A major plot point had kind of been ruined for me by the rumor mill. Do you think it would be ok if we discuss the Ruby Slippers and their importance of getting Dorthy back to Kansas? Seriously, I have a friend, if you watch Animal Planet he's one of the voice over guys on the promos . . . anyway, he claims he has lead a sheltered life and has -never- seen The Wizard of Oz. All he knowns is there's a cat guy and a metal man in it somewhere. He says he wants to watch it for the first time with his kids, if he ever has any.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #6 August 3, 2004 Quote...considering the recent DHS announcements? What does "DHS" stand for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #7 August 3, 2004 I'm assuming the Department of Homeland SecurityI promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 August 3, 2004 Quote What does "DHS" stand for? The intials stand for Department of Homeland Security, but what they actually stand for . . . well, that's often times confusing. Remember these are the guys that told us we could save ourselves from biological and chemical weapon attacks with plastic tarps and duct tape.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #9 August 4, 2004 I wanted to see the movie, but you are leading me to believe I don't? BTW - My definition of Ironic is simply: When the actual outcome is the exact opposite of the intended outcome! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 August 4, 2004 Quote I wanted to see the movie, but you are leading me to believe I don't? I don't know, am I? It's a good flick with an interesting concept. If you decide not to go see it based on what I've said in this thread, then you're just being silly.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #11 August 4, 2004 this i don’t understand... it is a movie, a form of entertainment, why would you not want to see it? have you seen any of his other movies? did you enjoy them? now because someone hints there might be some political subtext in his latest you don’t want to see it? not directed at you particularly why are people reluctant to challenge (or have challenged) the things they believe? If the artist (writer) does their job well, the 'messages' are subtle, hidden beneath the more immediate concerns of story, plot and character.....the deeper intentions, suggestions etc, don’t [I]have[/I] to hit you over the head with the lead pipe of social commentary…____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #12 August 4, 2004 > I wanted to see the movie, but you are leading me to believe I don't? Cause it might have a political theme? A great many movies do, subtle or overt. The Matrix bashed Bush at one point; Wag the Dog was remarkably well-timed as a political commentary. Neither one bothered me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #13 August 5, 2004 The reason is .... Though MM's Fareheit 9-11 might be a good movie, I don't like him or his message and therefore will not support him finacially by going to see it. I am wondering if the same is true of the Villiage? I understand it is silly, but I for one have a difficult time supporting propagandists on either side. Now, from the other movies I have seen of M. Night, I really liked them. I loved Signs. It leads me to believe the message is more conservative than liberal, and if it is (I am conservative) I still won't pay $10 to go to the theaters to support him. (Maybe i will wait for video) Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 August 5, 2004 So, you'd also never see the following movies? Citizen Kane Casablanca The Manchurian Candidate Tora Tora Tora The Rocketeer The Stepford Wives October Sky The Hunt for Red October A Beautiful Mind Star Wars I'm thinkin' the list could get pretty long because having a political subtext is actually pretty common in a lot of films.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #15 August 5, 2004 I did see 2 of those moves.... Red October and Beautiful Mind. I didn't say I don't see political movies. I said I try not to. I certainly don't research most of the movies I see, other than a quick review. However, I do like to get feed back from Friends and Family who have seen it. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #16 August 5, 2004 Well, ok, you might not consider me a friend, but go see the movie anyway. It's well done as are all of his films. It's far less political than Red October in that The Village does not deal with any specific political belief system. It is only political in that it does have a group of people, the elders, that run The Villiage. Telling you more would simply ruin the film.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #17 August 5, 2004 Michel Moore is a propagandist. M. Night Shyamalan is a writer... there is a HUGE difference... from an artistic standpoint Fa 911 was a pretty crappy movie actually....most movies that put its social commentary higher than telling the story usually are.. ps. you'd be really hard pressed to find a movie that doesnt have any politicial subtext....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #18 August 5, 2004 QuoteWell, ok, you might not consider me a friend, but go see the movie anyway. It's well done as are all of his films. It's far less political than Red October in that The Village does not deal with any specific political belief system. It is only political in that it does have a group of people, the elders, that run The Villiage. Telling you more would simply ruin the film. Very good movie and I agree with Quade it's not political and it doesnt bash a political belief system nor does it bash any party. The message M. Night delivers is subtle and some people will walk away pissed. The more I think about the movie a week later the more disturbing it is on a psychological level. That's all I will say for now. Go see it its a good movie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #19 August 5, 2004 I have to say you people have me intrigued. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #20 August 5, 2004 QuoteI have to say you people have me intrigued. It's a good movie and I hope you like it. Just go in knowing its not a Scream, Halloween, Alien (if you consider it horror), or The Exorcist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
