Kerry's duplicity - call for respect from Bush

[sundevil777 102]

Right after making the call for respect last night, he attacks/accuses him of misusing the constitution. What a two face piece of shit. How blatant can it be?

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I want to address these next words directly to President George W. Bush: In the weeks ahead, let's be optimists, not just opponents. Let's build unity in the American family, not angry division. Let's honor this nation's diversity; let's respect one another; and let's never misuse for political purposes the most precious document in American history, the Constitution of the United States.

The defense of marriage act was signed by Clinton with overwhelming support by both parties in Congress. Bush's call for an amendment is because of the likelyhood that it (the DOM act) will not be able to do what was intended.

Also on the "I call for respect while attacking you" front, from his speech:

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I will be a commander in chief who will never mislead us into war. I will have a Vice President who will not conduct secret meetings with polluters to rewrite our environmental laws. I will have a Secretary of Defense who will listen to the best advice of our military leaders. And I will appoint an Attorney General who actually upholds the Constitution of the United States.

What a piece of work this guy is! I expect the candidates to attack each other, there are big differences in philosophy, but to call for and end to attacks after attacking for months and while attacking in the same breath! WHAT BALLS!

edit - more from Kerry's web site:

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Kerry's Positive Vision Vs. Bush's Negative Campaign
The contrast between the optimistic vision presented by John Kerry in his nomination acceptance speech and Bush-Cheney's relentlessly negative attacks couldn't be starker.

A day after Kerry presented a powerful, hopeful case for a stronger and more respected America, George Bush unveiled a new stump speech devoid of any ideas for how he would lead the nation but chock full of scurrilous attacks against John Kerry.

He is such a liar!

Do Kerry supporters realize how he is lying to you, how he considers you so stupid?

What a hypocrite.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[tunaplanet 0]

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but to call for and end to attacks after attacking for months and while attacking in the same breath!

I don't call him Flipper for nothing.

Forty-two

[PhillyKev 0]

What's amazing is that you see this...

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I will be a commander in chief who will never mislead us into war. I will have a Vice President who will not conduct secret meetings with polluters to rewrite our environmental laws. I will have a Secretary of Defense who will listen to the best advice of our military leaders. And I will appoint an Attorney General who actually upholds the Constitution of the United States.

and call that an attack. That is a statement of how he says his presidency will be. I don' t see anyone mentioned in that statement except himself and his hypothetical future cabinet. The only way you can construe that as an attack is if you believe the current administration is the opposite of that.

You're way off base on this attack on Kerry. Which is what your post is. Take a look at the ad campaigns, statements and websites for the parties. The striking similarity is that virtually all of Kerry's ads talk about Kerry. And virtually all of Bush's ads talk about Kerry.

[Trent 0]

Come on, Kev... you know what Kerry was doing with his comments in his speech. If it were something said here, it'd be one of those "borderline" personal attacks.

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The only way you can construe that as an attack is if you believe the current administration is the opposite of that

Wrong, if you've paid attention to pretty much any left sided attacks on GWB, you can pretty much guess what they're bitching about, and Kerry's statement pretty much sums it up. But of course, he wasn't talking about GWB since he never said his name.

I think it's a pretty moronic thing to do on Kerry's part to call for a civil campaign on the issues, then throw in some jabs like that. Any good debater knows that he should have said what he WILL do, instead of what he WOULDN'T do... but that's the Dem party line this year... "anyone but Bush!".

Oh, hello again!

[PhillyKev 0]

Yes, it's not NOT about Bush, but it doesn't directly attack him, unlike the Bush ads. It is making a comparison of issues and principals.

The difference between what you posted and what you see coming from Bush is huge.

[Trent 0]

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The difference between what you posted and what you see coming from Bush is huge.

Find where I have ever commented on Bush's ads.

You're using the "... but but but... Bush is doing it tooo!" argument again. I thought we were silly for doing that with Clinton, but here you are doing it with Bush.

Regardless... unless you're purposely being difficult, or haven't been paying attention to what is being said about Bush in the last year, it is impossible to see Kerry's statements as anything but a REALLY REALLY thinly veiled attack on Bush. And, yes, it does directly attack him, even though he never mentions a name. Come on, Kev... you know what it was... your blind support of Kerry is starting to look like the blind support you think Bush supporters have.

Oh, hello again!

[PhillyKev 0]

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You're using the "... but but but... Bush is doing it tooo!" argument again.

No, actually I'm not. I'm saying that the difference between Bush and Kerry ads is huge, meaning Bush is doing it, Kerry isn't.

You're attacking Kerry for the way he phrased something. Kerry is commenting on the differences between what his administration would be and Bush's. You don't see the difference? One party is attacking peronality traits and perceptions. The other is discussing the issues, or at least tyring to.

And I don't think I've ever used the "but Bush is doing it too" argument that you're implying I have. In fact this whole thread amounts to a "but Kerry is doing it too" defense of Bush.

[sundevil777 102]

You're fooling yourself.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[mnealtx 0]

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Yes, it's not NOT about Bush, but it doesn't directly attack him, unlike the Bush ads. It is making a comparison of issues and principals.

The difference between what you posted and what you see coming from Bush is huge.

And of course, it was the Bush team that raised the question of military service, right? The Dems would NEVER do any attack ads, of course...

C'mon, Kev... can you ACTUALLY say that kind of stuff with a straight face?

Pulling the kinds of attacks that the Dem machine has done, then complaining about the Repupbs replying in kind is sheer hypocrisy...

Mike
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[PhillyKev 0]

I'm not talking about everyone on both sides. Obviously there's slinging going on in both directions. I'm talking about Bush, individually, and his approved ads and Kerry's approved ads. Is Kerry responsible for every voice against Bush? No, he's responsible for the ads his campaign runs.

[sundevil777 102]

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I'm not talking about everyone on both sides. Obviously there's slinging going on in both directions. I'm talking about Bush, individually, and his approved ads and Kerry's approved ads. Is Kerry responsible for every voice against Bush? No, he's responsible for the ads his campaign runs.

And he's responsible for attacking Bush after calling for respect. Your attempts to claim Kerry's statements were not attacks on Bush are very lame, unless there is to be an argument over the definitions of "is" and other such silly stuff.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[tunaplanet 0]

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You're using the "... but but but... Bush is doing it tooo!" argument again.

.....and again and again and again and again and again.....

Nothing original from his posts. He uses the mirror tactic. Whenever we present evidence that shows him or his man is wrong he throws the spotlight off of himself and on someone else instead of admitting or acknowledging their wrong-doings.

It's old and tired.

Forty-two

[PhillyKev 0]

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Whenever we present evidence that shows him or his man is wrong

It would be a first if you actually did that instead of attacking posts and posters. What evidence have you ever presented besides your opinion and your bitter, insulting posts? Adding "Period." to the end of your opinion doesn't make it evidence.

I've admitted I was mistaken about things on here many times when I have made mistakes. Where have you done that, or are you always right?

[rushmc 23]

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You're using the "... but but but... Bush is doing it tooo!" argument again.

No, actually I'm not. I'm saying that the difference between Bush and Kerry ads is huge, meaning Bush is doing it, Kerry isn't.

You're attacking Kerry for the way he phrased something. Kerry is commenting on the differences between what his administration would be and Bush's. You don't see the difference? One party is attacking peronality traits and perceptions. The other is discussing the issues, or at least tyring to.

And I don't think I've ever used the "but Bush is doing it too" argument that you're implying I have. In fact this whole thread amounts to a "but Kerry is doing it too" defense of Bush.

I agee the difference is huge. Bush uses facts, Kerry's record (votes) and history. Kerry uses innuendo and fiction.

We agree again!!



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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[Trent 0]

Look Philly, really... you're a great opposite for some of us here on the forum, and I always like your posts, even when they're wrong... but really, how can you not see what we're talking about here.

Kerry called for a clean campaign and focus on making america better, then he went and used what people accuse Bush of doing to make him seem a better option. It was a thinly veiled shot at him and you know it.

I mentioned that I saw it that way, and you brought up how GWB had dirty ads. We weren't talking about that. People here are always saying something along the lines of "is your only justification for GWB something that you think Clinton did bad?" You kinda did the same thing here.

Either way, it's not that big of a deal. Kerry and Co will probably run the rest of the campaign this way... not being overtly critical of Bush, but getting their shots in under the table. That's psychology... they think it'll get them votes... and it may.

Oh, hello again!