Ron 10 #51 August 2, 2004 QuoteCorrect as far as the Illinois GOP goes - the Land of Lincoln where the GOP thinks it can win a Senate seat in November without having an actual candidate. Obama will not have to break a sweat to win this one in a landslide. The big question, will the GOP even turn up for the election? I find it funny that Obamma is on the ticket due to TWO divorce records eliminating canidates... Last I checked it was ileagal to release divorce records... Some how the Dems got them released huh?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #52 August 2, 2004 QuoteHow many Bush supportes believe GWB is almost always correct? How many believe he has the countries best interest at heart and not the best interests of his cronies instead? I think he has the countires best interest at heart. As opposed to Kerry having HIS own best interests at heart...Kerry is trying so hard to be JFK II that he has and will continue to do all he can to get power."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #53 August 2, 2004 Frankly I don't think any politician at the national level and most at the state have the interest of anyone but themselves and their buddies at heart. Absolutetly for the Democrats and Republicans. Third party candidates may be the exception but only if running in races they cannot win. National politics is all about power not matter what party you are in. I Kerry can live up to the JFK legend then we would be in for a great president. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #54 August 2, 2004 QuoteI Kerry can live up to the JFK legend then we would be in for a great president. Thats a BIG if, and at any rate subject to opinion about if JFK was a good President. He was made into a legend after his death."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #55 August 2, 2004 QuoteLast I checked it was ileagal to release divorce records... Where'd you get that idea? I can go online and see docket info for divorces pretty much anywhere in the country. Parties in a divorce can agree to not disclose the terms of a divorce, but there's not law making it illegal to do so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #56 August 2, 2004 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last I checked it was ileagal to release divorce records... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where'd you get that idea? I can go online and see docket info for divorces pretty much anywhere in the country. Parties in a divorce can agree to not disclose the terms of a divorce, but there's not law making it illegal to do so. The divorce records were SEALED in both cases...But they still got released. You can get the information (Who, Date ect.) but not the details."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #57 August 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteI Kerry can live up to the JFK legend then we would be in for a great president. Thats a BIG if, and at any rate subject to opinion about if JFK was a good President. He was made into a legend after his death. I did say the JFK legend not that it was true. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #58 August 2, 2004 His first unseated-by-divorce records opponent was in the Democratic primary. I don't think that's a democratic party plot. The second set of records was unsealed by a court ruling in California. He'd have to be pretty doggone powerful to make all that happen, both against members of his own party, and in another state. Maybe it's not a plot by the evil Democrats after all. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #59 August 2, 2004 QuoteI did say the JFK legend not that it was true. Ah, good point"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #60 August 2, 2004 QuoteHis first unseated-by-divorce records opponent was in the Democratic primary. I don't think that's a democratic party plot. A canidate that was not going to be able to beat Ryan. And don't forget Obama is a "rising star". QuoteThe second set of records was unsealed by a court ruling in California. QuoteSchnider said making the records public would prove harmful to Ryan's 9-year-old son, Alex, and could prove embarrassing to the former investment banker and teacher. But he said the public deserved to know the contents. Local media outliets had asked the court to unseal the records. Now why should the local media be allowed to get SEALED records when BOTH parties don't want them released? Also notice who sued to get the records: QuoteWhen the Chicago Tribune and ABC News decided to sue for information that had been sealed in custody agreements in the Jack and Jeri Ryan divorce, the judge stunningly ruled against the wishes of both parents to open up sensitive information that even the judge said would bring embarrassment and damage to their son. QuoteHe'd have to be pretty doggone powerful to make all that happen, both against members of his own party, and in another state. Maybe it's not a plot by the evil Democrats after all. Or maybe its fringe groups in the party pushing thier agenda to put Obama the first black man to be in that position?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #61 August 2, 2004 QuoteI(f) Kerry can live up to the JFK legend then we would be in for a great president. He's already a legend in his own mind. He should try less to be Kennedy and more being anything. When you try to be two, you end up being neither. I think my favorite name for him is "Flipper." Needs a bigger nose and smaller chin to really pull off that icon, though. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #62 August 2, 2004 Quote Also notice who sued to get the records: ***When the Chicago Tribune and ABC News decided to sue for information that had been sealed in custody agreements in the Jack and Jeri Ryan divorce, The Chicago Tribune strongly endorsed Bush in 2000 and is generally quite conservative. I'm not sure what point you're making.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #63 August 2, 2004 QuoteThe Chicago Tribune strongly endorsed Bush in 2000 and is generally quite conservative. I'm not sure what point you're making. Why would a newspaper want Child Custody records so much that they sue for them?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #64 August 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe Chicago Tribune strongly endorsed Bush in 2000 and is generally quite conservative. I'm not sure what point you're making. Why would a newspaper want Child Custody records so much that they sue for them? Well, it turned out to be news, so I suppose they had a point.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #65 August 2, 2004 QuoteWell, it turned out to be news, so I suppose they had a point. And the fact that that point also helped Obama be the first Black Senator? You are telling me that two people running for office both happen to have court documents put them out of the race thereby clearing the way for the next Democratic rising star to be placed in office? WOW...Boy thats kinda convienant huh?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #66 August 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteWell, it turned out to be news, so I suppose they had a point. And the fact that that point also helped Obama be the first Black Senator? You are telling me that two people running for office both happen to have court documents put them out of the race thereby clearing the way for the next Democratic rising star to be placed in office? WOW...Boy thats kinda convienant huh? And why would a Bush - supporting newspaper want to support a Dem Senate candidate of any color? I don't see your logic about convenience. My thesis is that someone in the know tipped them off about the sex club stuff in the court record, and they just wanted headlines.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #67 August 2, 2004 QuoteAnd why would a Bush - supporting newspaper want to support a Dem Senate candidate of any color? Maybe for the press it would generate? Its all about the news right? Besides who is the paper backing THIS election? QuoteMy thesis is that someone in the know tipped them off about the sex club stuff in the court record, and they just wanted headlines. My thesis is that they wanted Obama in office so they sued to get Ryans records released to dig up dirt. The Dems are quite happy about it...I wonder how they will feel when Kerry's records are sued for the same way?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #68 August 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteAnd why would a Bush - supporting newspaper want to support a Dem Senate candidate of any color? Maybe for the press it would generate? Its all about the news right? Besides who is the paper backing THIS election? QuoteMy thesis is that someone in the know tipped them off about the sex club stuff in the court record, and they just wanted headlines. My thesis is that they wanted Obama in office so they sued to get Ryans records released to dig up dirt. The Dems are quite happy about it...I wonder how they will feel when Kerry's records are sued for the same way? Well, neither of us is privy to the goings on in the Tribune's boardroom. They haven't yet endorsed any candidates for November, but my guess is that Bush and Obama will be the choices. I was hoping that Ditka would run for the GOP (Senate seat), that would have made an interesting race. As it is, Obama will win in a landslide because the IL GOP is behaving like a chicken with its head cut off.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #69 August 2, 2004 Al Sharpton should run for Pres. He could restore dignity to the office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #70 August 2, 2004 QuoteWell, neither of us is privy to the goings on in the Tribune's boardroom. They haven't yet endorsed any candidates for November, but my guess is that Bush and Obama will be the choices. Agreed. QuoteI was hoping that Ditka would run for the GOP (Senate seat), that would have made an interesting race. As it is, Obama will win in a landslide because the IL GOP is behaving like a chicken with its head cut off. Agreed again. But I am not sure Ditka would have had a real chance. He was so outspoken that some of his fans would not have even voted for him. So far I seem to like Obama...I just find the situation that made it so he will be in office kinda fishy."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #71 August 3, 2004 QuoteQuoteWell, neither of us is privy to the goings on in the Tribune's boardroom. They haven't yet endorsed any candidates for November, but my guess is that Bush and Obama will be the choices. Agreed. QuoteI was hoping that Ditka would run for the GOP (Senate seat), that would have made an interesting race. As it is, Obama will win in a landslide because the IL GOP is behaving like a chicken with its head cut off. Agreed again. But I am not sure Ditka would have had a real chance. He was so outspoken that some of his fans would not have even voted for him. So far I seem to like Obama...I just find the situation that made it so he will be in office kinda fishy. Well, I don't think any GOP candidate has a chance, but at least Ditka would make it interesting to watch.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
