Jib 0 #26 July 30, 2004 QuoteAgain, the difference being that a LOT of Republicans think GWB is a flawless President. He's not. They won't admit he's made errors in judgement and even worse, HE won't admit he's made errors. That kind of hubris kills. Hindsight's 20/20. What would Gore have done with the economy? What should Bush have done? Who was the prophet that should have been advising him? You give too much credit to GWB and not enough to the man that runs this country's economy: Greenspan! -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #27 July 30, 2004 Barack says there is only one america. Edwards says there are two americas. Which is it!People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #28 July 30, 2004 Quote Hindsight's 20/20. What would Gore have done with the economy? It would be presumptuous to say. The fact is that nobody knows and never will. Let's move on.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #29 July 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteWell, I'm a republican, and I don't see anyone on either side doing a "superb" job. Me neither. Again, the difference being that a LOT of Republicans think GWB is a flawless President. He's not. They won't admit he's made errors in judgement and even worse, HE won't admit he's made errors. That kind of hubris kills. I don't know anyone who thinks he has done everything right. I haven't even heard anyone say that, with the exception of political pundits. However, I do recall talking with people in MD and NoVA who thought Clinton had done nothing wrong, and was being harrassed by the VRWC. At this point, all I know is I'm sick of being told how horrible the economy is. Anymore more pessimism from the left and their wishes might come true. Why is it that under their president, it's a "fluxuation" but under their foe, it's a "recession?" For shit's sake, if you want the economy strong, one big factor is simply telling people who listen that it IS strong.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #30 July 30, 2004 Quote For shit's sake, if you want the economy strong, one big factor is simply telling people who listen that it IS strong. Well, that does work for some investors, but the vast majority need to see the lines on the graphs going up. Simply saying something doesn't make it so.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #31 July 30, 2004 No, but saying it's bad when it's not can make it bad. I realize anyone who invests thought needs more than promises that the economy is doing well, but you must realize that that means 85% of the population only needs promises. Come on, polling the public for the state of the economy is like polling commercial passengers for the state of private aviation. They can answer your questions, but does that make them right?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #32 July 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteAnd where exactly do you think I live? Fantasy Land? Correct as far as the Illinois GOP goes - the Land of Lincoln where the GOP thinks it can win a Senate seat in November without having an actual candidate. Obama will not have to break a sweat to win this one in a landslide. The big question, will the GOP even turn up for the election?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #33 July 30, 2004 QuoteLet's move on. I can't. I still haven't found one person that thinks Bush is flawless. I am confused. With "A LOT" of republicans thinking he is flawless how is it possible that we can't find one person who thinks that? Very strange. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #34 July 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteLet's move on. I can't. I still haven't found one person that thinks Bush is flawless. I am confused. With "A LOT" of republicans thinking he is flawless how is it possible that we can't find one person who thinks that? Very strange. Really? When long lists of Bush's lies have been posted here, every one of them has been defended by a right winger as "poor intel" or something similar. When the deficit or unemployment is mentioned, it is all Clinton's fault. So tell us some of Bush's flaws.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #35 July 30, 2004 QuoteSo tell us some of Bush's flaws. I will as soon as "A LOT" of republicans come forward and admit he's flawless. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #36 July 30, 2004 QuoteReally? When long lists of Bush's lies have been posted here, every one of them has been defended by a right winger as "poor intel" or something similar. When the deficit or unemployment is mentioned, it is all Clinton's fault. *sigh* Didn't the bi-partisan 9/11 Commision also conclude that Bush was fed poor intel? It's not as though it's a conspiracy. As far as the economy - things were bound to slide after the dot-com-bust, there was nowhere to go but down. I don't know that I blame Clinton for that, but it's not fair to place all the blame on GWB either. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #37 July 30, 2004 Hmmmmm. Still no takers for the vast number of republicans that think Bush is flawless. We'll chalk that up as another myth by Quade and the liberals debunked. Next. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #38 July 31, 2004 Clearly flawless was a bad choice of words. How about believe he is almost always correct? How many Bush supportes believe GWB is almost always correct? How many believe he has the countries best interest at heart and not the best interests of his cronies instead? "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #39 July 31, 2004 I believe he has the country's best interest at heart. I don't believe he is flawless though, as no human being is. Show me a candidate that is flawless and they most certainly have my vote, no matter what party affiliation. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #40 July 31, 2004 Quote I believe he has the country's best interest at heart. Then there is where I disagree. While the Democrat party rarely truly follows through I believe the core philosophy is for the common person. The Republican party on the other hand is only in favor of the successful. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #41 July 31, 2004 QuoteThe Republican party on the other hand is only in favor of the successful. What a load of bullshit. The proof that it is bullshit will be when you don't back up that statement in any rational way whatsoever. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #42 July 31, 2004 start here http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/reports/no-child-left-behind.html and then go here http://nochildleft.com/ And we will just ignore this little problem at the .gov URL "It doesnt have to be this way." Notice the missing apostrophe? "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #43 July 31, 2004 Quotestart here http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/reports/no-child-left-behind.html and then go here http://nochildleft.com/ I took a look at the site, but I sure don't buy it's theme. Our educational system has problems, but I find it difficult to believe it is part of secret plot to keep the huddled masses from going anywhere in life. Is that what you believe? QuoteAnd we will just ignore this little problem at the .gov URL "It doesnt have to be this way." Notice the missing apostrophe? A typo means Bush only cares about the rich? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #44 July 31, 2004 QuoteOur educational system has problems, but I find it difficult to believe it is part of secret plot to keep the huddled masses from going anywhere in life. Is that what you believe? I do. Well, at least it was designed that way. It may not be now but the entire institution of public education was designed precisely for that reason. I've posted the evidence of that on here several times. The industrial tycoons that launched the public education system in order to appear altruistic, were very open and public about what purpose they saw for the average citizen. The entire model of the public education system needs to be revamped if we're ever going to have a better educated nation. QuoteIn our dreams...people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present educational conventions [intellectual and character education] fade from our minds, and unhampered by tradition we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, educators, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians, nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have ample supply. The task we set before ourselves is very simple...we will organize children...and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way. -Press release from Rockefeller Education Board, 1906 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #45 July 31, 2004 QuoteQuotestart here http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/reports/no-child-left-behind.html and then go here http://nochildleft.com/ I took a look at the site, but I sure don't buy it's theme. Our educational system has problems, but I find it difficult to believe it is part of secret plot to keep the huddled masses from going anywhere in life. Is that what you believe? A plot, no nothing that overt. Just a lack of caring about the problem in any meaninful way. Quote QuoteAnd we will just ignore this little problem at the .gov URL "It doesnt have to be this way." Notice the missing apostrophe? A typo means Bush only cares about the rich? No just funny that a sight about education would have a typo that is that obvious. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #46 August 1, 2004 QuoteI believe he has the country's best interest at heart. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then there is where I disagree. While the Democrat party rarely truly follows through I believe the core philosophy is for the common person. The Republican party on the other hand is only in favor of the successful. Well we're both entitled to our opinions, so I would call it a wash. Maybe we can both stay home on election day and go out for a beer instead. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #47 August 1, 2004 QuoteMaybe we can both stay home on election day and go out for a beer instead. I'll buy a round. Although, I can honestly say if I saw a particuliar person on these forums in a bar..... Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #48 August 1, 2004 Agreeing to disagree is what can keep this place civil. Something I have noticed you are quite good at, being civil that is. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #49 August 1, 2004 The beer would be on me.Besides, I live in Massachusetts, so my vote isn't going to be worth a hill of beans. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #50 August 1, 2004 I live in Texas so we are in the same boat, well different boat but same result. Hopefully one day I'll get to take you up on the beer. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
