TypicalFish 0 #1 July 29, 2004 I posted this in another thread, but wanted to get a wider commentary... Am I the ONLY Democrat that feels like we are in some kind of denial as far as the people we choose to "idealize" as our leaders? They all seem like very polarizing, controversial individuals; with histories that can easily be questioned. A few examples: Bill Clinton (whose presidency I was a fan of, though I feel he did more damage to the legacy of the party than any one man in it's history); let's be honest; HE DID GET A BLOWJOB FROM AN INTERN IN THE OVAL OFFICE AND LIED ABOUT IT UNDER OATH. Hillary Clinton (who almost made me laugh with her "I know alot about health care" remark; you had the ear of the most powerful man on the planet for eight years, and accomplished nothing; I hardly see you as an "expert"); related to the above; A WOMAN WHO CONSIDERS STANDING BY HER ADULTEROUS HUSBAND TO BE SOME TWISTED SHOW OF HER "INNER STRENGTH". That, and she quite frankly creeps alot of people out with her Stepford-esque manner. Al Sharpton (I did enjoy his speech, I think his comment that the right to vote for blacks is sacred because it was earned in blood was very moving); who has yet to acknowledge the fact that he RUINED THE CAREERS AND LIVES OF INNOCENT MEN IN HIS RELENTLESS PURSUIT OF A TRUMPED UP RACE CHARGE FOR POLITICAL GAIN. Finally, Ted Kennedy, the so-called "King of The Convention" (who, quite honestly, looked and sounded a little loaded during his speech); a man who afer a drunk driving accident LEFT A YOUNG WOMAN TO DROWN IN ORDER TO SAVE HIS OWN SKIN. What amazes me was that he would ever consider trying to be elected president with that in his past. Now, I am not saying that the Republicans are a bunch of boy scouts, but can't the Democratic party pick some new "heroes" who don't have MAJOR issues that we have to turn a blind eye to? I am tired of having to look at them in a positive light "in spite of"..."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #2 July 29, 2004 Here here! Thank you for pointing that out. I was a Republican, and I acknowledged the failures of the Republicans, as well (i.e., Newt Gingrich's personal misgivings, etc.). That's why I switched parties. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #3 July 29, 2004 Barack Obama is the new golden boy in Illinois.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflying 0 #4 July 29, 2004 what about Jessie Jackson? what a great leader for African Americans.... Obama hopefully will stand firm with his beliefs and statements and be a new role model for blacks and new Democrats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #5 July 29, 2004 I have respect for Bob Kerry.....ex gov of Nebraska and former Navy Seal......... lost a leg in Vietnam....for a dem he's not bad,wish he was running instead of the "other" KerryMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #6 July 29, 2004 You mean the new golden boy in Chicago and other Democratic strongholds in the state, right? Somehow I don't think he'd go over very well downstate.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #7 July 29, 2004 QuoteBarack Obama is the new golden boy in Illinois. He's been the Golden Boy there for some time. Just because you saw him speak at the DNC doesn't make him new to politics. He's been popular for a while. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #8 July 29, 2004 QuoteHere here! Where? Where?! Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #9 July 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteBarack Obama is the new golden boy in Illinois. He's been the Golden Boy there for some time. Just because you saw him speak at the DNC doesn't make him new to politics. He's been popular for a while. And where exactly do you think I live?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #10 July 29, 2004 QuoteAnd where exactly do you think I live? Fantasy Land? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #11 July 29, 2004 Quote Am I the ONLY Democrat that feels like we are in some kind of denial as far as the people we choose to "idealize" as our leaders? They all seem like very polarizing, controversial individuals; with histories that can easily be question. Take a look around at EVERY person you've ever known over the age of, say, 35. I'll bet ya a bag of donuts that if you look closely at just about anyone's life, you'll be able to find -something- about them that was either a mistake, youthful indiscretion or just something gone wrong. It's called life. The difference is that, generally speaking, the Republicans will point those issues out about their adversaries but will never admit them about themselves. (Simmer down Tuna . . . it's just a joke (based in some truth)).quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #12 July 29, 2004 Hey......quit pickin on me!!!!!!!!!!Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #13 July 30, 2004 QuoteThe difference is that, generally speaking, the Republicans will point those issues out about their adversaries but will never admit them about themselves. You mean like when democrats point out GWB's mistakes and call them "lies" when it's just as likely those mistakes were made in good faith, based on bad intel? You mean like when Michael Moore labels GWB a "liar", but then fails to accept responsibilty for his own lies and distortions in the making of F911? Pointing out stuff like that, you mean? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #14 July 30, 2004 Quotethe Republicans will point those issues out about their adversaries but will never admit them about themselves. Actually, I had some respect for Republicans during the Clinton scandals. Guys like Gingrich, who had his indiscretions made public, were sacked. It doesn't always happen, but it also does not match the democratic pattern of the 90's, wherein the party stood in lock-step with the POTUS no matter what. Kind of like now, where the GOP stands in pretty much lock-step with GWB about the war.. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #15 July 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe difference is that, generally speaking, the Republicans will point those issues out about their adversaries but will never admit them about themselves. You mean like when democrats point out GWB's mistakes and call them "lies" when it's just as likely those mistakes were made in good faith, based on bad intel? You mean like when Michael Moore labels GWB a "liar", but then fails to accept responsibilty for his own lies and distortions in the making of F911? Pointing out stuff like that, you mean? How about pointing out the record federal deficit with no projected end in sight when GWB said it would be "small and short term". Was that bad intel, or just a huge mistake... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #16 July 30, 2004 QuoteHow about pointing out the record federal deficit with no projected end in sight when GWB said it would be "small and short term". Was that bad intel, or just a huge mistake Take your pick -- but MM calls it a "lie". You agree with MM, right? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #17 July 30, 2004 No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that, usually, the Democrats will eventually have to own up to their mistakes whereas all Republicans seem to just be doing a "superb job".quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #18 July 30, 2004 QuoteNo, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that, usually, the Democrats will eventually have to own up to their mistakes whereas all Republicans seem to just be doing a "superb job". Well, I'm a republican, and I don't see anyone on either side doing a "superb" job. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #19 July 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteHow about pointing out the record federal deficit with no projected end in sight when GWB said it would be "small and short term". Was that bad intel, or just a huge mistake Take your pick -- but MM calls it a "lie". You agree with MM, right? No, I think it was incompetence.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20 July 30, 2004 Quote Well, I'm a republican, and I don't see anyone on either side doing a "superb" job. Me neither. Again, the difference being that a LOT of Republicans think GWB is a flawless President. He's not. They won't admit he's made errors in judgement and even worse, HE won't admit he's made errors. That kind of hubris kills.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #21 July 30, 2004 QuoteAgain, the difference being that a LOT of Republicans think GWB is a flawless President. Who thinks that? All republicans on these forums who thinks Bush is flawless say so now. Anyone? Quade swears there are a lot. Surly with so many at least one of those many are on here. Speak up. Who thinks GWB is flawless? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #22 July 30, 2004 QuoteWho thinks GWB is flawless? You? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #23 July 30, 2004 He's not flawless. So, so far Quade's statement is proven false. Anyone want to admit he's flawless? Surly with "a lot" of republicans believing he's flawless someone will admit to it. Anyone? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #24 July 30, 2004 I'm Republican as most of you know. Not one of our 43 presidents has been flawless. Guess what? No human being is flawless. Side note: I thought Obama gave an awesome speech last night. I may not agree with all his politics, but I truly admire the man. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #25 July 30, 2004 QuoteI'm Republican as most of you know. Not one of our 43 presidents has been flawless. Guess what? No human being is flawless. Side note: I thought Obama gave an awesome speech last night. I may not agree with all his politics, but I truly admire the man. I did not see the speech. I saw a clip of it. I thought it came across as rehearsed and insincere, like a kid practicing public speaking in high school and not doing too well at it. Would it be so different, so new, for a Democrat to TALK a wonderful message ("I am a gun owner and hunter just like you all and I believe in the second amendment ") and do so only because he knows it's what people want to hear him say? I've heard enough lies from them to suspect them of it again anytime they say something that begins to sound reasonable. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
