JohnRich 4 #1 July 29, 2004 In the news: US FDA to consider human RFID tagging "The US Federal Drug Administration issued a ruling overnight that essentially begins a final review process that will determine whether hospitals can use VeriChip's RFID systems to identify patients and/or permit relevant hospital staff to access medical records... "VeriChip sells 11-millimeter RFID tags that get implanted in the fatty tissue below the right tricep. When near one of Verichip's scanners, the chip wakes up and radios an ID number to the scanner. If the number matches an ID number in a database... the administrator of the security systems and databases determines how the information is used... "The company's basic technology has also been used in animals for years... The chips themselves are inserted into humans and animals with a syringe..." Full Story Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #2 July 29, 2004 I will kill or die before I ever allow someone to put that shit inside my body. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #3 July 29, 2004 I agree with PeacefulJeffrey! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,600 #4 July 29, 2004 Something like that might be good for on a hospital bracelet. No frigging way in my body. What do people have to say about something like that on parolees? Or can parents put them into their children in case they're lost? Or babies in hospitals when they're first born (they do look pretty similar)? It gives me the willies, especially because it's to easy to find applications where I can imagine a decent number of people approving. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #5 July 29, 2004 It's a disturbing idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #6 July 29, 2004 QuoteSomething like that might be good for on a hospital bracelet. No frigging way in my body. What do people have to say about something like that on parolees? since convicted felons lose a great deal of rights and privacy already..... is it easily removable? how about detectable without the transmiter? if this is something that can be 'installed' on you covertly....well the potential for abuse gets really really high..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #7 July 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteSomething like that might be good for on a hospital bracelet. No frigging way in my body. What do people have to say about something like that on parolees? since convicted felons lose a great deal of rights and privacy already..... is it easily removable? how about detectable without the transmiter? if this is something that can be 'installed' on you covertly....well the potential for abuse gets really really high.. It's subcutaneous. It's embedded in fatty tissue under the skin. There will forever be a chance of infection -- even possibly lethal infection -- from the procedure of both inserting it and removing it. Sure it's removable. You want to go through the pain of having your skin punctured and your fatty tissue scraped to get the thing out? Sure it's removable. You could have your arm amputated. That'd rid you of the abomination. We as a society are quick to point out that even convicts retain certain rights. If they retain 5th amendment rights against self-incrimination, and first amendment rights to worship, why couldn't we recognize their right to the sanctity of their person against intrusive procedures ... and branding. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #8 July 29, 2004 QuoteI agree with PeacefulJeffrey! I agree with you.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathaniel 0 #9 July 29, 2004 What's scary is that some people would take implants for the slightest of reasons, without the slightest thought of the consequences. Nightclub 'chips' puntersMy advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #10 July 29, 2004 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with PeacefulJeffrey! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with you. Wow. Scarry, but ...... Ditto.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #11 July 29, 2004 QuoteWhat's scary is that some people would take implants for the slightest of reasons, without the slightest thought of the consequences. Nightclub 'chips' punters I would find a way to throw a monkey wrench into the system - hackers have already been playing with these things. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #12 July 29, 2004 as good a tool as this would be for doctors (you come in unconscious, it tells you who the patient is and that they're allergic to penicillian and sulfa) the potential for abuse is WAY too high and way to scary. No freakin way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1 0 #13 July 29, 2004 Hey man, were all basically bar codes. Get used to it. It is called DNA and it has been mapped. The map will get rid of a lot of problems but as with any good thing, it will also create a lot of problems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #14 July 29, 2004 QuoteHey man, were all basically bar codes. Get used to it. It is called DNA and it has been mapped. The map will get rid of a lot of problems but as with any good thing, it will also create a lot of problems. Yep...Just rent "GATTACA." Scary shiznit... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cudlo 0 #15 July 29, 2004 basically bar codes? hehe. Anyone that has been through MEPS (military enlistment processing station.. or something) has had a bar code assigned to them which comes with this fun little sticker you can put on your shirt for easy scanning :)_________________________________________ "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Kierkegaard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #16 July 29, 2004 No way in hell will I voluntarily go through that one. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #17 July 29, 2004 QuoteIt's a disturbing idea. Very disturbing. Hell, when I first started working with computers and had to carry a pager, I refused to put it on "vibrate". It just seemed too freaky to get a jolt in my hip from a satellite when someone wanted to contact me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #18 July 29, 2004 QuoteWhat do people have to say about something like that on parolees? Or can parents put them into their children in case they're lost? Or babies in hospitals when they're first born (they do look pretty similar)? The implant has some pretty good uses for those who are willing, but in general I think it's pretty damn creepy. FWIW, it's a very good idea to have a complete set of fingerprints and a DNA sample of your loved ones filed away somewhere in case the unthinkable happens._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #19 July 29, 2004 QuoteVery disturbing. Hell, when I first started working with computers and had to carry a pager, I refused to put it on "vibrate". It just seemed too freaky to get a jolt in my hip from a satellite when someone wanted to contact me. I hate that too!! Scares the hell out of me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #20 July 29, 2004 Like it or not...It is comming."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #21 July 29, 2004 In related news, Slashdot Is carrying a story about how hackers are finding RFID tags to be surprisingly easy to hack. Excerpt: "Lukas Grunwald, a senior consultant with DN-Systems Enterprise Solutions GmbH, is warning retailers that the RFID technology that they are quickly adopting can easily be hacked with the appropriate tools. Grunwald has written a program called RFDump which lets you read and display all metadata within an RFID tag and also modify the user data using a text or hex editor. He wrote this program to demonstrate how consumers can protect themselves by wiping out RFID data after purchasing a product but he acknowledges that it would be trivial to abuse this behavior. What, you might ask, can you do if you hack an RFID tag? Well as the technology is adopted more widely a thief could conceivably mark down the price of an expensive piece of jewelry before paying for it at an automated checkout counter, underage hackers could purchase alcohol or adult movies, and pranksters could simply reprogram the inventory of an entire store by just walking up and down the isles. 'The people who will be using this (shopkeepers) don't know much about technology,' Grunwald warned." _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #22 July 29, 2004 QuoteSomething like that might be good for on a hospital bracelet. No frigging way in my body. What do people have to say about something like that on parolees? Or can parents put them into their children in case they're lost? Or babies in hospitals when they're first born (they do look pretty similar)? It gives me the willies, especially because it's to easy to find applications where I can imagine a decent number of people approving. Wendy W. *Sigh* Unfortunately - I can think of one application that might warrant such a chip. Child sex offenders. I believe that they should be affixed with a locator, and a GPS that records their whereabouts, But not under the skin - not IN thier bodies.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #23 July 29, 2004 Quote*Sigh* Unfortunately - I can think of one application that might warrant such a chip. Child sex offenders. I believe that they should be affixed with a locator, and a GPS that records their whereabouts, But not under the skin - not IN thier bodies. Why not In? It not like they are going to quit being a child sex offender. Like I said these things are comming. People will want sex offenders first..And as we already see some techies will do it to be cool...Then they will replace credit cards like speedpass did, or work as a debit card. It is a long way off, but once it is more secure...It is comming."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #24 July 29, 2004 QuoteI will kill or die before I ever allow someone to put that shit inside my body. - Ditto. I say that despite the fact that the US Dept of Defense has my DNA on file. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #25 July 29, 2004 QuoteUnfortunately - I can think of one application that might warrant such a chip It should be noted that the range on RFID chips is at MOST 10 feet. Usually, the range is limited to a few inches, requiring contact or near contact with the scanner. There are far better techniques for tracking the movement of individuals. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
