jimbarry 0 #1 July 27, 2004 >>For the person who asked about >>the culture of censorship, just take >>a look at the restrictions placed on >>what can and cannot be said and >>shown on tv. >> >>Half a million dollars for a nipple is >>censorship as far as I am concerned. To show a nipple unannounced removes from parents and others who would be offended the choice to tune in to this slice of public airwaves. TV in the US already has content more "offensive" than what Janet showed, and those shows aren't fined, it's just that those shows announce upfront that it will contain graphic or adult content, and most are shown at a later time, so they're given more leeway. Work with and respect society and you'll be given help. Work against it, especially purposefully, and you deserve the consequences. So no, I cannot see how your example is "censorship". Ever since there have been radio/TV airwaves, and the FCC involved, there has been a gradually sliding, subjective, fuzzy gray line to mark what's profane and what's not. But I do agree that this line is currently being pushed too fast and furiously in a direction not supported by the people, by an adminstration on some profanity crusade. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #2 July 27, 2004 All of this shite is courtesy of the KKKristian KKKoalition, John "Dancing is evil" Ashcroft, and all of the other sexually repressed folk of the Religious Right... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #3 July 27, 2004 QuoteTo show a nipple unannounced removes from parents and others who would be offended the choice to tune in to this slice of public airwaves. TV in the US already has content more "offensive" than what Janet showed, and those shows aren't fined, it's just that those shows announce upfront that it will contain graphic or adult content, and most are shown at a later time, so they're given more leeway. Work with and respect society and you'll be given help. Work against it, especially purposefully, and you deserve the consequences. So no, I cannot see how your example is "censorship". Ever since there have been radio/TV airwaves, and the FCC involved, there has been a gradually sliding, subjective, fuzzy gray line to mark what's profane and what's not. But I do agree that this line is currently being pushed too fast and furiously in a direction not supported by the people, by an adminstration on some profanity crusade. You call it whatever you want, that is fine. I just laugh at the fact that violence is fine on tv, but god forbid some one would see a nipple. Most north americans don't appear to have a clue as to the strict and stringent censorship that is in place on this continent. But then we call it, protecting society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #4 July 27, 2004 QuoteAll of this shite is courtesy of the KKKristian KKKoalition, John "Dancing is evil" Ashcroft, and all of the other sexually repressed folk of the Religious Right... Wow - "Let go of your hate , Luke"I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 July 27, 2004 Quote All of this shite is courtesy of the KKKristian KKKoalition, John "Dancing is evil" Ashcroft, and all of the other sexually repressed folk of the Religious Right... Way to go out of your way to belittle their personal religious beliefs. That's on par with being a raciest or a sexist, really. You know, those other things in the bill of rights matter too, like freedom of religion. They're excersizing their freedom of religion and freedom of speech to attempt to make changes they feel is morally right. Sorry, sorry, I guess we should all just believe like you do and not let any other the other opinions be spoken freely. Freedom of speech only to you. (I'm trying to point out how much of a hypocrite your post made you out to be, in your beliefs in the freedom of speech).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #6 July 27, 2004 QuoteI just laugh at the fact that violence is fine on tv, but god forbid some one would see a nipple. That is a glaring inconsistency on the part of the FCC. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #7 July 27, 2004 Quote (I'm trying to point out how much of a hypocrite your post made you out to be, in your beliefs in the freedom of speech). And doing a right spiffy job of it too.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #8 July 27, 2004 There's a big difference between people's freedom of speech and right to express their opinion and the attorney general choosing targets for prosecution based on the bible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbarry 0 #9 July 27, 2004 Quote You call it whatever you want, that is fine. I just laugh at the fact that violence is fine on tv, but god forbid some one would see a nipple. Did you really read what I posted? Many people aren't offended by a nipple. In fact I'd rather see two at the same time. But it's wrong to do it in that place, unannounced, and they knew it. They did it because "no publicity is bad publicity." And that disrespects society. A respectful society relies on people following rules. When nipples are ok to show on tv, then those will be the rules. And when violence is no longer glorified on tv, I too will applaud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbarry 0 #10 July 27, 2004 QuoteAll of this shite is courtesy of the KKKristian KKKoalition, John "Dancing is evil" Ashcroft, and all of the other sexually repressed folk of the Religious Right... Agreed. Amen brother. ed: I'm being sarcastic. My point is that society has rules, it would do us all good to follow them. And when you don't like them, work to change them. And when you break them, accept the consequences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #11 July 27, 2004 Quote There's a big difference between people's freedom of speech and right to express their opinion and the attorney general choosing targets for prosecution based on the bible. ______________________________________ Yes there is, but that's not the underlying point...however, I'm about to walk out the door, so maybe someone else will help me out here... If not, then you'll have to wait until tonight when I get off work.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #12 July 27, 2004 QuoteAnd when you don't like them, work to change them. And sometimes you have to break them to change them. Just look into America's coloured past. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbarry 0 #13 July 27, 2004 QuoteAnd sometimes you have to break them to change them. Just look into America's coloured past. Dekker, I like a lot of your posts, but dude, that's the second time you stopped short and drew your own incorrect conclusion of what I said. My last sentence said: "And when you break them, accept the consequences." Breaking the rules through civil disobedience, so that you can work toward changing the rules, can be a perfectly moral and ethical option. As long as you accept the consequences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #14 July 27, 2004 QuoteBreaking the rules through civil disobedience, so that you can work toward changing the rules, can be a perfectly moral and ethical option. As long as you accept the consequences. absolutely Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #15 July 27, 2004 I'm waiting on the FCC to hand out fines to every radio station that plays "Jett - Cold Hard Bitch". Even the Clearchannel station here has played it a few times, till callers said that the language was offensive.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #16 July 27, 2004 QuoteI just laugh at the fact that violence is fine on tv, but god forbid some one would see a nipple. What part of "Forcing Nipples on Children and Adults That Don't Want to See Them" don't you understand? Like violence, there is plenty of sex on American television . . . typing real slow . . . FOR THOSE THAT WISH TO VIEW IT. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #17 July 27, 2004 Quote"Forcing Nipples on Children and Adults That Don't Want to See Them" don't you understand? I don't understand that. Nipples were forced on people? Did someone hold a gun to your head and make you watch the superbowl? Personally, I'm forced to see nipples every day when i take off my shirt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 July 27, 2004 QuoteWhat part of "Forcing Nipples on Children and Adults That Don't Want to See Them" don't you understand? Like violence, there is plenty of sex on American television . . . typing real slow . . . FOR THOSE THAT WISH TO VIEW IT. Yes, because nipples are bad, they lead to aweful things. I think one would need a CCN to have one. A license to carry a concealed nipple Nobody forced you to watch the superbowl Personally I would prefer to watch the news without watching people getting shot, personally I think that does more damage than anything else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #19 July 27, 2004 >"Forcing Nipples on Children and Adults That Don't Want to See Them" What would have happened if a football player was tackled and his jersy was pushed up and he flashed his nipple? Same complaint?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #20 July 27, 2004 Quote"Jett - Cold Hard Bitch" Its played all the time down here in H-town... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #21 July 27, 2004 QuoteWhat would have happened if a football player was tackled and his jersy was pushed up and he flashed his nipple? Same complaint? I never did quite get this, why is a manboobie okay to have all over the place but a girlboobie is not? Especially considering that some manboobs are bigger than some girlboobs. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbarry 0 #22 July 27, 2004 QuoteDid someone hold a gun to your head and make you watch the superbowl? Did the producers of that show have enough respect for its audience to advise them that some normally unacceptable content would be included? They should have. Then I may have actually watched it... It didn't offend me, but I respect those people who it did offend... ...unannounced. Sorry, I hate it when people break the rules and impose on my freedom of choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #23 July 27, 2004 Its played all the time here too.. just not on the Clear(ly scared) Channel stations due to the complaints. Got to love those smaller stations. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbarry 0 #24 July 27, 2004 Quotewhy is a manboobie okay...but a girlboobie is not? great question. wish i knew. i like the girl ones better. i say ban the manboobies... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #25 July 27, 2004 Clear Channel plays it here... the DJ's joke about it when they play it... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
