What will they do?

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There has been a LOT of press today about how the DNC is asking speakers to keep the tone civil with regards to GWB bashing during the convention. The idea is that everyone there already knows they want GWB out of office and the goal of the convention is to try to convice the American middle ground that Kerry wants to lead not just his party, but the country as a whole.

If they do manage to pull that off (and I don't really see how that's totally possible, so yeah, I expect to see -some- shots at GWB) will the RNC respond in kind?

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There has been a LOT of press today about how the DNC is asking speakers to keep the tone civil with regards to GWB bashing during the convention. The idea is that everyone there already knows they want GWB out of office

Actually the goal is to not come off like a bunch of juvenile jackasses like they did with Whoopi and Gore's silly outburst screaming like a moron.

Forty-two

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Two totally different audiences.

One a private fund raiser by the party faithful and this, a television event for the masses.

I would think that most people would speak differently at a poker game or a church social.

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this, a television event for the masses.

Right. They want to tone it down so the entire nation doesn't see how they really are.

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I would think that most people would speak differently at a poker game or a church social.

Two-faced people do. You're right about that.

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Ok, it has now become my goal in life to find video of you at a boogie and at a church social.

You -gotta- be kiddin' me.

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Ok, it has now become my goal in life to find video of you at a boogie and at a church social.

I'm banned from church. Besides, the hair on my kneck stands up when I cross the threshold. Gives me the creeps

I'm actually being serious in regards to being two-faced. I act the same everywhere. Boogies, church socials, poker games, enlisted hall on base, bars...it's all the same.

Why try to act different? You either love me or hate me (most the latter ).

Forty-two

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No, he's right. The RNC is completely non-two-faced. I thoroughly expect Kerry bashing and Cheney telling people to fuck off. I'm not being sarcastic. I mean, look at their website and tv ads. Those two faced democrats talk about Kerry. And those honest republicans.....talk about Kerry.

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I think the majority of us humans say things to our friends and peers that we wouldn't say to our parents or grandparents. Most people behave differently at someone's funeral or wedding than they would in a night out clubbing with friends.

its not about being two-faced, its about proper behavior, which differs in different situations.

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You may be two-faced. I don't know you so I can't say. I know that I am not and act the same in every situation. Maybe you act differently in front of different people. That's your decision. It certainly doesn't effect me.

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its not about being two-faced, its about proper behavior, which differs in different situations.

OK, I can agree with that.

What is the proper time to refer to GWB as a c#nt? Any person for that matter.

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What is the proper time to refer to GWB as a c#nt?

Who said that?

BTW, totally improper usage of the word. GWB might be a lot of things, but that word just doesn't make any sense.

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Whoopie, I believe. At the recent fund raiser in NYC.

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Ahhh . . . source?

I -seriously- would like to get my hands on a transcript of her remarks but I haven't found one.

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someone who's two faced says one thing, and turns around and says or does the exact opposite.

That's different from someone who adjusts their words and behavior to match the situation. For example, my friend Sean may say to me "Colleen and I bought some new handcuffs...we're going to spend all night trying them out." and I'll laugh and make a wise-ass comment. You can bet his mother wouldn't tease him if he said something like that to her, so he'd just tell her "Mom, Colleen and I are spending the evening in."

both are true. Both are appropriate for the situation. and the example isn't two-faced.

if someone is incapable of adjusting their manners to fit the situation, they're quite possibly lacking in tact and decorum. Children are expected to behave differently when sitting in the classroom than they are at recess. Certain behavior is appropriate in certain situations. That same behavior may be inappropriate in other situations.

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Ok, it has now become my goal in life to find video of you at a boogie and at a church social.

You -gotta- be kiddin' me.

There's a difference between these instances. To "misbehave" at a boogie might be to act silly, get drunk, et cetera. It is not necessarily a degradation to have people see you act this way, and it is not two-faced to go into church the next day and behave yourself.

You probably would not find video of someone being completely disrespectful of and disparaging toward others in a hateful and contemptuous way just because he's drunk at a boogie.

It IS two-faced to act all pure and godly in church after being as misanthropic and hateful and vindictive as the Whoopi-crowd allegedly was at the fundraiser. (Funny, they're being suspiciously possessive and jealously guarding against the release of any tapes of that function. If it was really such innocent fun, and not utterly damaging to Kerry and his ilk, why be so secretive? Let us all see the respectable fun y'all were having at Bush's expense...)

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Ahhh . . . source?

I -seriously- would like to get my hands on a transcript of her remarks but I haven't found one.

Gee, we'd ALL like to see the "real Democrats" when they let their asses hang out at that fundraiser...

The funny thing is, they're jealously guarding footage of it, and won't let anyone have copies! I wonder why?! They insist there is nothing embarrassing on those tapes, nothing they should be ashamed of having taken part in. Ohhh, how I would love to see the conspiracy theories and criticisms fly if the Republicans pulled the same shit...

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There has been a LOT of press today about how the DNC is asking speakers to keep the tone civil with regards to GWB bashing during the convention. The idea is that everyone there already knows they want GWB out of office

Actually the goal is to not come off like a bunch of juvenile jackasses like they did with Whoopi and Gore's silly outburst screaming like a moron.

I'll agree with you here, at least in a large part. Conventions are for presenting your candidate as the man for the job. You can take some jabs, but the focus needs to be on your guy, not their's. Behaving on the nationally televised equilivent of that Whoopi event would not be a good move for the DNC.

The Republicans, otoh, don't need to tell the public who Bush is, so they may in fact continue their attempts to define Kerry.

(I'll be watching movies for the next couple weeks)

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Hey, no one is judging you for acting one way in front of certain people and the opposite in front of others. It's your life, not mine. You stand by your principles, I stand by mine.

Me personally, I am proud that I'm not two-faced and act one way and then another depending on whose around.

To each is his own.

Forty-two

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It's also funny how they went out and acted themselves when there were no cameras rolling...but now that they will be in front of a national televison audience, then they have to have a meeting to decide how they will act.

I would prefer a president who acts naturally all the time and not one who has to have advisers counsel him and tell him how to act.

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There has been a LOT of press today about how the DNC is asking speakers to keep the tone civil with regards to GWB bashing during the convention. The idea is that everyone there already knows they want GWB out of office

Actually the goal is to not come off like a bunch of juvenile jackasses like they did with Whoopi and Gore's silly outburst screaming like a moron.

I'll agree with you here, at least in a large part. Conventions are for presenting your candidate as the man for the job. You can take some jabs, but the focus needs to be on your guy, not their's. Behaving on the nationally televised equilivent of that Whoopi event would not be a good move for the DNC.

But we don't know how they all behaved at that Whoopi event! They're afraid to let us SEE how they behaved at that Whoopi event!

But, they swear, it was nothing they should be embarrassed about! Nothing that would be a black eye for them!
...Just, we can't let you see for yourself how innocent it was.

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Really, you curse in front of you mother? I don't. You curse at work? I try not to. I'll tell my friends jokes like "a priest, a rabbi, and a whore walk into a bar". But I wouldn't tell those jokes at work in the lunchroom when it's packed. I wouldn't tell it in a crowded restaurant.

It's called acting appropriately depending on the circumstances.

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Ahhh . . . source?

I -seriously- would like to get my hands on a transcript of her remarks but I haven't found one.

Sorry, I can't find anything referencing the big "C", I really do think though that I read something about that after the event. Anyhow, in the absense of the specific example I mentioned most of the articles I've read do make a point similar to this:

Reports of Whoopi Goldberg making vulgar sexual references to President Bush's name, among other crude comments, offended many Republicans.

As to finding a transcript, I don't think it's going to happen. I just happened to stumble across this:

(CNSNews.com) - The John F. Kerry campaign says no, it will not even consider a Republican request to release a videotape of a recent Democrat fundraiser -- until the Bush administration releases "several documents...relating to the president's performance in office."

Ever since last week's Hollywood-heavy, Bush-bashing fundraiser in New York City, Republicans have demanded that the Kerry campaign release a videotape of actress Whoopi Goldberg and others lambasting the president -- sometimes in vulgar terms.

My quotes came from Crosswalk.com. I know nothing about it's political leanings, it's simply where I decided to stop looking for references to back up my earlier claim.

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[PhillyKev 0]

Do people really have a problem with the second part? Are people really thinking "conspiracy"? Does anyone seriously believe Bush would turn over Republican fund raiser tape if Kerry requested it?

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We'll never know. The republicans haven't held a convention or fund-raiser where they made jack-asses out of themselves. When they do perform a juvenile act we'll know for sure.

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Do people really have a problem with the second part? Are people really thinking "conspiracy"? Does anyone seriously believe Bush would turn over Republican fund raiser tape if Kerry requested it?

I don't think conspiracy as most here would define it, however I don't understand why they won't release it. Kerry and Edwards were seen laughing at the jokes and having a good time. What have they got to hide? I would expect the same of a republican fundraiser if people wanted to see it.

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