Zennie 0 #1 July 24, 2004 In my continuing quest to impart upon folks that there ARE more than two parties out there, I submit the following as a public service. This is a pretty well-known quiz that the Libertarian party puts out. I figured it might be good to clear the air on where folks REALLY stand on things. I scored solidly Libertarian. For the record, my answers were.... (Choose Y if you agree, M for Maybe, N if you disagree.) Personal Issues ------------------ Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet: Y Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft: M There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults: Y Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs: Y There should be no National ID card: Y Economic Issues ------------------- End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business: Y End government barriers to international free trade: M Let people control their own retirement; privatize Social Security: Y Replace government welfare with private charity: M Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more: Y If people are curious, I'll explain my "maybes". My tendency on most of those were for "Y", but in a few cases I could see exceptional cases in which they may be necessary. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #2 July 24, 2004 What does censor mean? Exploitation of children? Political dialog? What is corporate welfare? ... government barriers? WTF do they mean? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #3 July 24, 2004 Answer it however you interpret it. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #4 July 24, 2004 QuoteYour Personal issues Score is 80%. Your Economic issues Score is 90%. geee how did that happen?? actually our answers are nearly identical.....are you sure who your parents are? edit: to attach diagram since Quade had to go get all high tech....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #5 July 24, 2004 Quoteactually our answers are nearly identical..... are you sure who your parents are? So are our nicks. If you shave your head, then I've found my long lost twin! - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #6 July 24, 2004 did that for a while when i was in the army.. didnt like it to terriblly much then, but when my mother's father's genes kick in as i get older, i'm pretty sure that is the way i'll go...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 July 24, 2004 Here's me. Not that I actually believe in tests such as this. Especially -this- test which seems designed specifically to show that the majority of people would agree somewhat with the label in the hopes that it would then get them more interested and join the party.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #8 July 24, 2004 QuoteEspecially -this- test which seems designed specifically to show that the majority of people would agree somewhat with the label in the hopes that it would then get them more interested and join the party. The FAQ addresses "framing bias" a bit. As with many tests (like any personality test, for example) wording is often intentionally vague to allow the person to answer subject to their interpretation of the language. This in & of itself can be informative. It may not be perfect, but it at least allows folks to see/show where they stand on various issues. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #9 July 24, 2004 I think the questions are biased. . .and I think the FAQ's are biased. The FAQ's only respond to the questions themselves and why those questions. No one ever asks the obvious: can a leftist and a right pick all maybes; and can a centrist pick all yes? I believe they can. There is a lot more issues out there than just those ten. Like most FAQ's on a site, they are designed to answer the questions they want you to ask, or that they can address in a debunking manner._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #10 July 24, 2004 QuoteI think the questions are biased. . .and I think the FAQ's are biased....There is a lot more issues out there than just those ten. And I think you're missing the point... it's called "The World's Smallest Political Quiz" for a reason. Nobody's ordering you to take it. If you don't like it, don't take it. And if you know of a better quiz out there, by all means post a link. My God some people here need a serious dose of laxatives... - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #11 July 24, 2004 Interesting. Not that this "test" is all encompassing at all... ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #12 July 24, 2004 I take it i missed the joke. Still learning the ropes here._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #13 July 24, 2004 QuoteI take it i missed the joke. Hmmm.... maybe *I* need the laxatives. Now where did I put that Ex-Lax... - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #14 July 24, 2004 No surprises here. Your Personal issues Score is 80%. Your Economic issues Score is 80%. Note: I agree entirely with the other posters comments that this test seems a little simple. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #15 July 24, 2004 I honestly believe that if you look at the average American's political view across the spectrum, it will be more Libertarian than anything else. Most folks want a government that's fiscally conservative. They also want a government that stays out of their personal lives (so long as they're not interfering with the rights of others). That's Libertarianism in a nutshell. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #16 July 24, 2004 unfortunately the Libertarian party doesnt get much exposure, and is often sidelined by the mainstream news, so your 'average' american has no clue about its platform or how their personal beliefs fit into it... far easier to vote the way you did last time than actually look at the issues involved... honestly i believe the voting requirements should be much stricter than simply being born to American parents and having stolen O2 for 18 years....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #17 July 24, 2004 Quoteunfortunately the Libertarian party doesnt get much exposure, and is often sidelined by the mainstream news, so your 'average' american has no clue about its platform or how their personal beliefs fit into it... Not to mention we're shut out of the televised presidential debates. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #18 July 24, 2004 (Choose Y if you agree, M for Maybe, N if you disagree.) Personal Issues ------------------ Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet: Y Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft: Y There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults: Y Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs: N There should be no National ID card: Y Economic Issues ------------------- End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business: Y End government barriers to international free trade: M Let people control their own retirement; privatize Social Security: N Replace government welfare with private charity: Y Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more: Y Libertarian 34.85 % Left-liberal 18.99 % Centrist 30.10 % Right-Conservative 7.38 % Statist 8.68 % Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #19 July 24, 2004 yes, but the libertarians tend to go so far on the fringe of things that its hard to vote for them sometimes. Many of them campaign on a "less-drug-control" platform, which I'm not sure I agree with, but is one of their central issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 July 24, 2004 Quoteunfortunately the Libertarian party doesnt get much exposure, and is often sidelined by the mainstream news, so your 'average' american has no clue about its platform or how their personal beliefs fit into it... Or they read how the Libertarian Party opposes most forms of public education (particularly at the college level) and they walk back to the real world. The quiz sticks to the easy issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #21 July 24, 2004 Quoteyes, but the libertarians tend to go so far on the fringe of things that its hard to vote for them sometimes. Many of them campaign on a "less-drug-control" platform, which I'm not sure I agree with, but is one of their central issues. The drug legalization issue does seem to be a lightning rod of sorts. Drugs (and I include alcohol in that statement) have seriously messed up people's lives. There's no doubt about that. The question is, from a political perspective, do we want a government legislating what IT thinks is best for us. Libertarians say "no". If you want to fuck your life up, that's your choice. It may sound harsh at times, but that's what individual responsibility & accountability are all about. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #22 July 24, 2004 for the most part, I agree with you. However, society also has a responsibility to protect its citizens. The question is where to draw the line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #23 July 24, 2004 Quotefor the most part, I agree with you. However, society also has a responsibility to protect its citizens. The question is where to draw the line. The line is basically when I interfere with other folks' rights to live as they choose. Children is a toughie... because they don't have the life experience to make educated decisions. Still, I fall back that it is the parents'/families' role to raise children ... not the governments'. Our society is too entitlement-oriented. We've been lulled into believeing that the government can enforce financial and social equality. The fact is it can't... and never will. True morality and ethics come from within. The best we can do is try to teach people that there is a world which does not revolve around yourself. Be who you are and let others be who they are (within sane limits of course). The rest will take care of itself... - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #24 July 24, 2004 They are pretty leading questions. Take a few potential changes and see if anyone's responses would change: >Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet: Change that to "government should allow child porn." Same answer? >End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business: Change that to "tax all buisnesses heavily regardless of their social utility." Same answer? >End government barriers to international free trade: Change that to "government should not protect US companies from foreign price fixing." Same answer? >Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more: Chnage that to "cut education, defense and medicare funding." Same answer? Not picking on you here. It's a questionnaire that seems to want certain answers, and presents the questions accordingly. This is a popular way to make a point. Rather than tell someone something, ask them "would you like to save 50% on car insurance?" "Want to lower your monthly mortgage payment?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #25 July 24, 2004 Quote>End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business: Change that to "tax all buisnesses heavily regardless of their social utility." Same answer? I think the LP's position is that companies should _not_ be taxed, but neither should they be subsidized.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites