Useless....the 9/11 report

[PhillyKev 0]

I haven't read the 9/11 report, but from what I've read about it, it sounds like it came out the way I had hoped. It's non-partisan, has no dissenters, doesn't try to blame Clinton or Bush, but rather looks at failures in our overall infrastructure and where we can improve.

The first thing I found disgusting was the CIA calling a press conference to dispute the findings that they need to improve.

Now this. After the report clearly states that congress also failed it's responsibility to the public.

Congress OKs Delay on Biometric Passports

Seems like a simple thing, much simpler than invading another country anyway, and would probably have better results of potentially reducing terrorism.

I think Iran had a good point after Bush accusations that the 9/11 terrorists travelled illegally through Iran they rebutted that the US gave them passports, work visas and trained them to fly planes.

We need to strengthen our immigration and visa policies a hell of a lot more, and it would have a much better chance of protecting us than invading other countries does.

So these countries that we don't require visas from don't have the capability to create biometric passports yet. Easy solution, require visas.

[markd_nscr986 0]

Just curiosity on my part........I wonder how much money they spent coming up with the report?

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[wmw999 2,600]

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I wonder how much money they spent coming up with the report?

Quite a lot, I'm sure. And, if it's anything like the Columbia Accident Investigation Board report, there will be gnashing of teeth and much self-justification. There will also be overreaction to some of it, and people trying to do things that are not possible, simply because they were identified.

And a lot of people will put their shoulders down and start working; hopefully on the biggest bang-for-your buck things first.

I haven't read it yet, but I have read the CAIB report. There is an incredible amount of good, well-researched data in there. The CAIB report at least did not try to exclude certain paths because they thought they were less likely; once you do that, you contaminate the entire investigation.

Just because of the type of project, I'm thinking the scope might be similar.

By the way -- just as the people who work on the shuttle are both human and proud of what they do, so are all the people who work on security for the country. Just about everyone in a non-menial job wants to have some pride in what they're doing; many in menial jobs do too.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[tunaplanet 0]

So you call it useless and haven't read it. Hmmm.

It's an excellent read. Even better it discredits Michael Morons entire movie scene by scene. Excellent.

Forty-two

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Even better it discredits Michael Morons entire movie scene by scene.

What chapter is THAT in?

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[tunaplanet 0]

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What chapter is THAT in?

The whole book. Almost all the false claims and lies he made in his fictional movie is proven false from the book.

Forty-two

[PhillyKev 0]

Great, it disputes F911. That's useful. My hope is that the problems it highlights will be corrected. And my point is that congress went and made the same kind of mistake that the report was supposed to point out needs to not be made again if we are to prevent a repeat occurence.

[quade 4]

So, the report doesn't actually adress the movie at all -- does it? Or where you just selectively presenting the facts as you choose to see them?

One of the nice things about a .pdf file is that you can search it. I just did and there doesn't seem to be any mention whatsoever of the film.

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[tunaplanet 0]

Almost everything Michael Moron claims in the movie is proven false in the book. You can try and put the ever-popular liberal spin on this but it won't work.

Of course we didn't need the 9/11 report to tell us it was full of shit. The non-sheep knew it from the beginning.

Forty-two

[Muenkel 0]

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Great, it disputes F911. That's useful. My hope is that the problems it highlights will be corrected. And my point is that congress went and made the same kind of mistake that the report was supposed to point out needs to not be made again if we are to prevent a repeat occurence.

Amen to this!!!!

I would rather see the problems fixed, no matter where they exist, then to see partisans sitting around pointing fingers.

I never want to see another 9/11/01.

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Chris

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Agreed. (except it does NOT dispute the movie F9/11 -- it doesn't have anything to say about the movie.)

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[Muenkel 0]

Paul,

I honestly don't care about the movie F911. And if you say the report does not discredit it, I believe you.

I think what PhillyKev said was right on. I want the problems fixed...period. I don't care if some heads have to roll on either side of the fence. I just want our government to move forward humbly and fix the problems.

I know, I'm probably dreaming.

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Chris

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What's facinating to me is that one day later, there already seems to be a bit of push back on the report by those in power. I can understand this at a certain level -- it sucks getting re-orged -- and people will lose their little fiefdoms, but the one that pisses me off is GWB yesterday said he'd "consider" the recommendations in the report. To me, that sounds like a dismissal and I -really- wanted to hear something a bit more powerful. GWB doesn't have (on the surface of it) anything to lose by saying he'll start working on it right away, but for some reason, his reponse sounded really weak to me.

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[turtlespeed 226]

As it always will.

You don't support Bush, at least it doesn't seem like you do from your posts.

People seem to hear and take out of things what they want to hear.

What I take is that Bush isn't going to look at this lightly and is going to take time to form his own views and opinions rather than have them dictated to him.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Muenkel 0]

Paul,

I really don't see any problem with GWB's response about "considering" the recomendations. The report is brand new and quite extensive.

I used to manage a resort hotel with 580 employees. So many recommendations came at me from my team of managers. Any good exec would take time to review the recommendations before they acted. Some items were simple and easy to make a decision on right away. Others were quite complex, would cost a lot of money and reorganization. These items needed consideration, and that takes various amounts of time. Not to mention, your job continues on.

Anyway, I believe you to be an honest guy. We're not on the same page on all political issues, but I admire your sincerity. I truly believe you think things through and form your opinion. Maybe, just maybe, you may agree this time with what GWB decides to do. If you do, I do believe you will be a stand up guy and admit he made the right decision. Just as I will admit if I think he made the wrong decision. It just needs some time.

Always blue skies bro,

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Chris

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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Just curiosity on my part........I wonder how much money they spent coming up with the report?

Just curious - you think the government would care to stay in session and not run off for summer vacation to read it and to see if immediate changes need to be implemented? Same goes for our fearless leader.

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[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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Paul,

I really don't see any problem with GWB's response about "considering" the recomendations. The report is brand new and quite extensive.

Indeed. However, this report could help avoid another huge loss of life and damage in this country. Bush and his admin didn't do much to help out the panel until the media and the public backlash became too much.

The panel should have had full access to everything upfront, including GW. IF the report is handicapped at all, it will be because the White House didn't help. If the report never causes any changes, it will be because the White House dismisses it.

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I WILL fly again.....

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I Know, maybe we can all get out and vote this fall!

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[rushmc 23]

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I haven't read the 9/11 report, but from what I've read about it, it sounds like it came out the way I had hoped. It's non-partisan, has no dissenters, doesn't try to blame Clinton or Bush, but rather looks at failures in our overall infrastructure and where we can improve.

The first thing I found disgusting was the CIA calling a press conference to dispute the findings that they need to improve.

Now this. After the report clearly states that congress also failed it's responsibility to the public.

Congress OKs Delay on Biometric Passports

Seems like a simple thing, much simpler than invading another country anyway, and would probably have better results of potentially reducing terrorism.

I think Iran had a good point after Bush accusations that the 9/11 terrorists travelled illegally through Iran they rebutted that the US gave them passports, work visas and trained them to fly planes.

We need to strengthen our immigration and visa policies a hell of a lot more, and it would have a much better chance of protecting us than invading other countries does.

So these countries that we don't require visas from don't have the capability to create biometric passports yet. Easy solution, require visas.

......or is it worthless because the report does not support the claim that Bush is to blame and he lied??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[PhillyKev 0]

Did you read what you quoted from me? I never blamed Bush for 9/11. I'd like to see our gov't learn and adapt from the experience. What's disturbing to me is that is not very likely to happen.

A) Bush didn't want the commission in the first place
B) The CIA who was shown to be lacking in certain areas decided to get defensive instead of saying they'll fix the problems
C) Congress lets requirements that they had deemed important to nat'l security be extended AGAIN the same day this report comes out saying that Congress failed to treat the threat seriously.

[tunaplanet 0]

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I never blamed Bush for 9/11.

Whoah. Is he in the flip or the flop. I lost track.

Forty-two

[kallend 2,174]

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I never blamed Bush for 9/11.

Whoah. Is he in the flip or the flop. I lost track.

OK, post the link then. Otherwise it looks like an unwarranted personal attack.

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[rushmc 23]

Did you read what you quoted from me? I never blamed Bush for 9/11. I'd like to see our gov't learn and adapt from the experience. What's disturbing to me is that is not very likely to happen.

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Yes I read it but I am trying to make a point.

To your points.

[Quote]A) Bush didn't want the commission in the first place

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I would not want any commission regardless of the side I was on. Most times it is only a political witch hunt.

[Quote] B) The CIA who was shown to be lacking in certain areas decided to get defensive instead of saying they'll fix the problems

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Put the blame for that where it belongs. Monies cut, people cut, and rules put in place to stop cooperation among the different agencies has a big role to play in this!
[Quote]C) Congress lets requirements that they had deemed important to nat'l security be extended AGAIN the same day this report comes out saying that Congress failed to treat the threat seriously.

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Here I can't respond because I am not up to speed with this issue.

I agree that the US needs to learn from this or lives lost were in vane. My point however, addresses those that have called GWB a liar and accused him of misleading the country. Where are all those people now?
Busy getting the size 13's out of their mouths I suspect......

I guess I hijacked the tread...........sorry.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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