Who's the most bias partisan America TV media source

[jimbarry 0]

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Rush is not very fat now. He lost weight a long time ago.

True, but then he put a lot back on just recently.
So yes, the title of Franken's book is true again.

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I think Rush is right, much of the time.

Except on the environment. But then, Rush is designed to be entertainment, thinly disguised as "news". Just my opinion guys (fwiw, nothing?) so set yer flame stix down now...

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Rush is designed to be entertainment, thinly disguised as "news".

And MM is designed to be entertainment, thinly disguised as "documentary." Really.

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[sundevil777 102]

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Rush is designed to be entertainment, thinly disguised as "news".

And MM is designed to be entertainment, thinly disguised as "documentary." Really.

Like the Charles Berlitz movies Chariots of the Gods and The Devils' Triangle

They looked and sounded like documentaries, but were full of fabrications and lies. I give the PBS series Nova a lot of credit for devoting an hour each to tearing apart those movies.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[tunaplanet 0]

Rush has some good views and facts. When you listen to him you have to go into it with an open mind to decipher the truth and the extreme conservative bias.

Forty-two

[PhillyKev 0]

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Umm, he hasn't been a fat guy in years.

Yeah, he's got that heroine sheik look going for him now

[Steel 0]

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While people may be able to listen to Rush, there simply aren't enough blind people in the world to support him on TV.

That is a lie. I am not implying that your a lyer just misinformed. First of all Rush is by far the most sucessful radio talk show host ever. He pretty much made talk radio what it is today. Howard Stern hates him and even went so far as to call him pumpkin head out of jealousy because Howard Stern comes or came in second place for the longest time behind Rush. Tried as much as he could but didn't stand a chance. As for Rush's TV show which by the way I have been on and if I had a scanner I would scan a 5X7 that I have of me and Rush, you should have been there when it was going on. I have never been in a room with that many people and have everybody been as pleased when one person makes his entrance. Liberals like yourself hate Rush because he is so very sucessful in pointing out the liberal lies. At the hieght of Rush's popularity the Republicans took control of both houses for the first time in 40 years. Some people attribute that to the horrific plans that Clinton was pushing foward as a way to control him. Others attribute it to Rush getting out the word of the real Demcorat plans by reading between the lies and pointing them out for people who didn't have time to do so. I say it was a combination of both. In any case the Democrats have used their usual tactics on Rush, the same tactics they used on McCarthy when he was exposing them for who they were, the same tactics they used on Newt Gingrich when he was getting the word out, the same tactics they used on Kenn Star, Clarence Thomas, basically anybody who puts them in their place, the smear campaigns. It saddens me when I hear conservatives give into this. Its like they think that if they make the liberals happy by bashing a fellow conservative that the liberals will leave them alone. But the reality is that they will only leave the conservative alone until he is successful in making many understand just how wrong left wing thinking really is, and how dishonest left wing politicians have to be to keep there ideology in the forefront. The reason is because if you take an honest look at most of these issues you will quickly see that there is a right and a wrong. This is why try as he may Al Franken will never have a sucessful talk radio show. As soon as he opens up the lines, somebody with a minimal amount of common sense will call and point out the innaccuracies in his arguement. No liberal lies can only be spewed in a situation where they can control it so nobody challenges them.
Ok so I have gone off in a tangent here but back to the TV show. His TV show was moved from 11:30 pm to midnight then to 2 am then to 3. I don't even remember all the different times they put it on but I remember hearing people call up on the radio show complaining that it was getting so hard to be able to catch the show at all those wierd times. It was obvious that the station he was on had a liberal agenda to cancel it. So he gave up playing their game and just stuck to his radio show. Want something else to look at. Billy O'reilly currect has the most successful cable show and his ratings on the radio still are not as high as Rush's. Sean Hannity has the second most successful cable show and he comes in second to Rush as the most successful radio show. Al Franken ... lol. Oh excuse me I just had to laugh when I thought about the liberal looser who doesn't have a chance in hell of competing with the big boys.

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His TV show was moved from 11:30 pm to midnight then to 2 am then to 3. I don't even remember all the different times they put it on but I remember hearing people call up on the radio show complaining that it was getting so hard to be able to catch the show at all those wierd times. It was obvious that the station he was on had a liberal agenda to cancel it.

Or, it just didn't have the ratings. People weren't watching.

Having ratings in one medium does not automaticaly translate to another. Dr. Laura is another example of someone that does well on radio but couldn't pull in viewers for TV.

Rush might be as good as it gets as a radio talk show host, but the fact remains, he just didn't pull in viewers for his TV show. A LOT of this has to do with the format of his radio show and the mistaken belief that it would translate to TV. It doesn't. It -can't-.

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[Zennie 0]

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Rush might be as good as it gets as a radio talk show host, but the fact remains, he just didn't pull in viewers for his TV show. A LOT of this has to do with the format of his radio show and the mistaken belief that it would translate to TV.

I know I stopped watching it when I realized after about 3 shows that he was basically replicating the radio show that I had listened to the same day.

I wasn't getting anything new out of it.

- Z
"Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon

[billvon 3,120]

>It was obvious that the station he was on had a liberal agenda to cancel it.

Or it wasn't making any money. Big networks don't get to be big by putting niche shows that only a few people watch during prime time - even if that niche audience really, really, really likes the show. An audience of 1000 does not make a station as much as an audience of 50,000, even if the 1000 people like the show 50 times as much as the other audience.

If it was a moneymaker FOX would pick it up in a second. It's not.

>Al Franken ... lol. Oh excuse me I just had to laugh when I thought about
>the liberal looser who doesn't have a chance in hell of competing with the
> big boys.

Al Franken is as much a rude, attention-grabbing showman as Rush is. Both are smart men who have turned their talents at being extremist rabble-rousers into some big bucks. And good for them! Anyone can make it in the US, even if all you do is attack people on the air.

[Zennie 0]

My thoughts on Rush... if anyone cares.

I listened to him religiously for about 2 years. And I'm talking back in the early 90s.

When he emerged on the scene I think he was a very positive influence because he provided an alternative point of view that really wasn't available anywhere else. So if you took his show and merged it with the information you were getting elsewhere, I think you got a better handle on what all the nuances and POVs were for a particular issue.

I stopped listening when:

a. I got bored with the same old things being rehashed over & over;
b. He had a nasty habit of cutting folks off who were making very good counterpoints;
c. It seemed like his ego and weight were inversely proportional; and
d. Most worrisome, I realized I truly was letting him do my thinking for me, rather than me doing it on my own.

The last one is a very easy trap to fall into. And in recent years I think that's the biggest problem I have... many people listen to him use him as their ONLY source of information and opinion.... any contrarian view presented elsewhere is immediately branded "liberal" and dismissed with an airy wave of the hand. They're "right" you're "liberal"... end of story.

Question: have you ever heard Rush or any other Ditthead change their position on a major issue and admit they were wrong? I haven't. They cling so hard to their beliefs that the fact that they might actually be incorrect seems more than most can handle emotionally.... so they resort to namecalling & ignoring the conflicting information as "biased".

Reality check... if you handle information this way your as guilty, if not moreso, of bias as the person you're accusing.

And, yes, many on the left are also guilty of this. And it's equally bad.

I will give Rush credit for changing my position on abortion. And though I disagree with him now about many things, I do still agree with him on that front.

- Z
"Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon

[Steel 0]

I will try to reply to you, Quade and bill here
To Zennie--
Most of your points are well taken but I disagree with the following:
b. He had a nasty habit of cutting folks off who were making very good counterpoints;
I think on reason for his popularity is his carisma and patience with the opposition. I can't begin to count the number of times I heard a liberal caller try to spin and issue on him and thought, damn it what a jerk that caller is, I would have just hung up on him. But then listen to Rush patiently continue to disscuss the issue with the caller.

c. It seemed like his ego and weight were inversely proportional;
Ok he definately has an large ego but with all his success he has a right to. His weight is not anywhere near what people make it out to be. Everytime people see the picture I took with him in 95 the first thing they say is, "Wow, I thought he was a lot heavier". And he has lost even more weight since then.
To Billvon
All that you said about Al Franken is true but the reality is that his success can't be compared with Rush's. And as I noted for Zennie, Rush is not rude, he is actually very courteous. I know you disaggree with him but that does not change how polite he is with his callers. Also when talking about Rush's audience its measure in the millions not the thousands. I am sure that if he wanted to he could easily have a successful cable TV show on FOX news because they wouldn't try to screw his ratings up but obviously he does not need to. If I was making $20 million a year and had as many liberals hard at work trying to smear my name, I would be happy just keeping my 3 hour a day radio talk show.

Quade:
I don't know what to tell you. You have stated another possibility. I think its unlikely and I doubt it but I have no proof to offer up to suggest otherwise. But since you mentioned Dr. Laura, I'll tell you what I think about her situation. First of all I think she is very smart and I like a lot what she had to say. But she underestimated the gay population and made her grave mistake of bible thumping on their lifestyle, which resulted in the stopDrlaura website and what have you. In there if I recall they would list numbers to call her sponsors and complain to try to get them to drop her. I think this was a form of censorship to which I am strongly against. One thing is to say I don't like because this and another thing is to call her sponsers.

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[Zennie 0]

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Most of your points are well taken but I disagree with the following:
b. He had a nasty habit of cutting folks off who were making very good counterpoints;
I think on reason for his popularity is his carisma and patience with the opposition. I can't begin to count the number of times I heard a liberal caller try to spin and issue on him and thought, damn it what a jerk that caller is, I would have just hung up on him. But then listen to Rush patiently continue to disscuss the issue with the caller.

Oh, totally agree. He handles abusive, ranting idiots with more grace & politeness than anyone I've seen. Larry King is abusive to people who are being RATIONAL.

On several occasions, however, you had very polite, calm, rational callers who would be making some good counterpoints and all of a sudden... "Well, time for a commercial break..." come back and "Next caller....".

Drove me batty.

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c. It seemed like his ego and weight were inversely proportional;
Ok he definately has an large ego but with all his success he has a right to. His weight is not anywhere near what people make it out to be. Everytime people see the picture I took with him in 95 the first thing they say is, "Wow, I thought he was a lot heavier". And he has lost even more weight since then.

Actually, I'm acknowledging that he has lost SUBSTANTIAL weight from where he was in the early 90s. He looks pretty healthy now actually (though, like you say.... lefties still call him a "fat idiot").

That's why i said "inversely proportional"... as he lost weight, it all seemed to shift to his ego.

You ever check out his website? My God it screams "megalomaniac".

- Z
"Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon

[billvon 3,120]

>And as I noted for Zennie, Rush is not rude, he is actually very courteous.

The man who called a 13 year old girl "the white house dog?"

I've listened to both their shows. Rush is as bad as some people here when it comes to dissing other people. Franken tries to be funny but fails. Neither one is particularly courteous, but neither approach Howard Stern.

>I know you disaggree with him but that does not change how polite he is with his callers.

I don't disagree with a lot of what he says, actually. I read his first book and he has some good ideas. But do not mistake him for a educator or moral leader. He is an entertainer, and he makes money by saying things people want to hear. Just as Franken, Hannity and Colmes, O'Reilly and Coulter do.

> I am sure that if he wanted to he could easily have a successful cable
>TV show on FOX news because they wouldn't try to screw his ratings up but
> obviously he does not need to.

?? So he tries to get his show on 'liberal' networks but doesn't bother with FOX because he "doesn't need to?" Whatever.

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?? So he tries to get his show on 'liberal' networks but doesn't bother with FOX because he "doesn't need to?" Whatever.

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It might help the lefties' case if Rush Limbaugh actually was fat. Rush would kick the ever-lovin' shit out of that turd Moore.
"It's CLOBBERIN' TIME!!"

Rush's obesity aside, he'd at least stand a better chance at fighting through the pain...pharmaceutically speaking.

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