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Should U.N. observers be sendt to monitor the 2004 presidential election?

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It's not that the U.N. would organize the election. They would monitor that it's a fair election process. I don't get why this is a bad thing. If the U.N. wants to monitor a Norwegian election they are welcome. I stongly doubt that they would meet much resistance.

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I know why it's a bad idea..... Because it is a waste of Fucking money.

The USA is and has been quite capible of running its own election without international scrutiny or support. There are a great deal of things the UN could do with the time and money it would take to "Monitor" the election.

I know nothing about Norway. I won't pretend to, but my assumtion is that this is a country which is used to international involvment. Many European countries are. Mainly because they are small and close by. What one country does can dramatically affect surrounding countries. The USA has never been that way. We have always been a bit isolationistic since our conseption.

PS - if Isolationistic isn't a word, then it is now ;)

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The USA is and has been quite capible of running its own election without international scrutiny or support.



ABSOLUTELY!!!



Yes, just ask the folks in Palm Beach County.
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A couple of points:
- The U.S. has never been properly called a "democracy." Remember the quote by Ben Franklin after the Constitutional Convention: they asked him what had been created, and he said, "A Republic, if you can keep it."



Couldn't agree with you more and if you weren't jumping to conclusions with wrong assumptions you would realize that is excactly what I wrote. Some one said something about American Democracy and I commented there was no such thing. I am happy to see that you agree with me.

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You are asserting impropriety when a candidate got more of the popular vote and did not win the election, but if you know anything about our system you know that we never said that the popular vote WAS the basis of winning the election -- the electoral college is.



I know all that, once again, leave your assumptions out of this and just read what I wrote. Fact remains, more people voted for Gore than for any other candidate, yet he did not win. that precludes democracy. I didn't make any statements about the system being right or wrong, but many Americans on this board seem to feel easily attacked.

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You aren't even making a clear and proper distinction between "majority" and "plurality." We hardly ever see a candidate for public office win with a MAJORITY -- which means more than 50% of the votes -- unless there are only two people running in the race. Most presidents win with what, 30something or 40something percent? That's because there's at least one other person people are voting for. Get it straight. The word you're looking for is "PLURALITY." It means the greatest share of the percentages.



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You are right, should have used a different term, doesn't change the fact though :)

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You aren't even making a clear and proper distinction between "majority" and "plurality." We hardly ever see a candidate for public office win with a MAJORITY -- which means more than 50% of the votes -- unless there are only two people running in the race. Most presidents win with what, 30something or 40something percent? That's because there's at least one other person people are voting for. Get it straight. The word you're looking for is "PLURALITY." It means the greatest share of the percentages.



Actually, of the 35 presidential elections since the Republican party formed, 21 have been won by a popular majority.

Interesting thing about that is 5 of those 21 were dems, and 16 were reps. So, it seems that 3rd party candidate are a boon to dems. Thank you republican party for helping to get Nader on the ballots :)

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Thank you republican party for helping to get Nader on the ballots



I don' think your sample is large enough to draw conclusions. ;) Obviously each situation is different.

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Yes, just ask the folks in Palm Beach County.



Counted, recounted, confirmed, people gotta get over it sometime and stop whining...



Really? What about all the people improperly excluded from the voter lists? I don't think their votes EVER got counted.
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Were they all voting for Gore?

Since the votes left out in EVERY state reflect the general population you can assume the same balance of votes. Now if you intentionally don't allow a specific demographic that is different. I din't see that headline in the papers, so who are you talking about?

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Yes, just ask the folks in Palm Beach County.



Counted, recounted, confirmed, people gotta get over it sometime and stop whining...



Really? What about all the people improperly excluded from the voter lists? I don't think their votes EVER got counted.



Who are you referring to? Convicted felons, illegal aliens, or just people just to f$*&%@# stupid to walk around let alone fill out a ballot and actually know who they're voting for?

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Yes, just ask the folks in Palm Beach County.



Counted, recounted, confirmed, people gotta get over it sometime and stop whining...



Really? What about all the people improperly excluded from the voter lists? I don't think their votes EVER got counted.



Who are you referring to? Convicted felons, illegal aliens, or just people just to f$*&%@# stupid to walk around let alone fill out a ballot and actually know who they're voting for?



Pay attention!

The thousands IMPROPERLY exluded from voting because Florida bought a defective list of felons from Texas, courtesy of a firm with ties to the Republican party.

62% of improperly excluded voters reported that they are Democrats, and 20% Republicans.

And in 2004 Florida tried to prevent anyone seeing the current list (even though it still might have lots of errors) until a judge ordered them to release it.
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Must be that CONSERVATIVE media coving up this story!!!!!

Thousands you say.... How many thousand.
How do you know what they would have voted?
What was the margin of votes in FLA?

If 10K were omitted and let's pretend they all would have voted and let's pretend they all would have voted for what they were registered as....

This seems far fetched....

Keep trying to find something Kallend that justifies you saying Gore really should have won.

GORE Lost :-) Deal with it.
Can't you guys move on ?????

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Must be that CONSERVATIVE media coving up this story!!!!!

Thousands you say.... How many thousand.
How do you know what they would have voted?
What was the margin of votes in FLA?

If 10K were omitted and let's pretend they all would have voted and let's pretend they all would have voted for what they were registered as....

This seems far fetched....

Keep trying to find something Kallend that justifies you saying Gore really should have won.

GORE Lost :-) Deal with it.
Can't you guys move on ?????



www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/01/florida.elections/

I never said he didn't. I was disputing that the US is capable of running its elections properly.
www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1168581#1168581

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62% of improperly excluded voters reported that they are Democrats, and 20% Republicans.



So 62% of convicted felons identify with the Democratic Party. I wonder why that is? Likes attract?

Have you factored in the absentee ballots from the Military that weren't counted? Wonder what the percentage of Military voted Democratic compared to convicted felons?

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62% of improperly excluded voters reported that they are Democrats, and 20% Republicans.



So 62% of convicted felons identify with the Democratic Party. I wonder why that is? Likes attract?

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Pay attention. They were IMPROPERLY excluded by being IMPROPERLY placed on the felons' list. The list was developed by FL Republicans, who bought names from TX Republicans, and overwhelmingly excluded Democrats. And they kept the list secret so no-one could appeal. And they tried to do it again this time but got caught out.

I guess the reason some people are Bush supporters is that they have shorter attention spans than he does.

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62% of improperly excluded voters reported that they are Democrats, and 20% Republicans.



So 62% of convicted felons identify with the Democratic Party. I wonder why that is? Likes attract?

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Pay attention. They were IMPROPERLY excluded by being IMPROPERLY placed on the felons' list. The list was developed by FL Republicans, who bought names from TX Republicans, and overwhelmingly excluded Democrats. And they kept the list secret so no-one could appeal. And they tried to do it again this time but got caught out.

I guess the reason some people are Bush supporters is that they have shorter attention spans than he does.



How do you keep getting away with these personal snipes? If I did this as often as you do, I'd be banned. Oh, sorry, I forgot most of the moderators are lefties.

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They were IMPROPERLY excluded by being IMPROPERLY placed on the felons' list. The list was developed by FL Republicans, who bought names from TX Republicans, and overwhelmingly excluded Democrats.



The Texas Republicans had a list of Florida felons?

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And they kept the list secret so no-one could appeal. And they tried to do it again this time but got caught out.



My guess is that they kept the list secret in an attempt to conceal the massive fuckup that they had made. I don't think it's as sinister as you suggest.

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How do you keep getting away with these personal snipes? If I did this as often as you do, I'd be banned. Oh, sorry, I forgot most of the moderators are lefties.



You did just [not very subtly] imply that all Democrats are felons. You should expect a not very subtle jibe back.

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62% of improperly excluded voters reported that they are Democrats, and 20% Republicans.



So 62% of convicted felons identify with the Democratic Party. I wonder why that is? Likes attract?

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Pay attention. They were IMPROPERLY excluded by being IMPROPERLY placed on the felons' list. The list was developed by FL Republicans, who bought names from TX Republicans, and overwhelmingly excluded Democrats. And they kept the list secret so no-one could appeal. And they tried to do it again this time but got caught out.

I guess the reason some people are Bush supporters is that they have shorter attention spans than he does.



How do you keep getting away with these personal snipes? If I did this as often as you do, I'd be banned. Oh, sorry, I forgot most of the moderators are lefties.



Nonsense. I wrote it very clearly twice previously in this thread, and provided a link. Not my fault if you aren't paying attention.
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