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So how do you spin "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."?
Did you see the whole speech? That quote was in the context that he is now a lesser part of the puzzle. It was meant that since his network is in shambles, he is less important. That quote was made in response to a question. He did not mean it in a way to suggest that he doesn't want to get Bin Landen, he meant it in a way to say that he is now a lesser priority.
Spin?....give me a break. You are the one winding up the top...... It is hard to see clearly when you are dizzy!
Oh! I thought I heard that we were on alert for a major AQ attack this Fall.
msnbc.msn.com/id/5411741/site/newsweek/
Thanks for letting me know AQ is in such a shambles that we don't have to worry about its leader any more, that puts my mind at ease. I guess all the stuff I heard about AQ organizing insurgents in Iraq was false too. That will be some solace to the bereaved.
SPIN SPIN SPIN! I never said there was not threat. (nor did GWB and that is my point!!!!) At the time the speech was made (if I remember the time frame correctly) the threat had been lessened because of the arrest (and deaths) of key operatives. Just as with any organization with any resolve, rebuilding takes place, technices change, you get more careful, but that doesn't mead you go away.
If what some one said in the past is so important to you, you might want to look more closely at who you consider to be the saviors of the US (if they get elected) but have a mental neck brace on so you don't get whiplash.
I have news for you. Recent research has shown that the Sun does not shine out of GWB's arse.
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>Equating mass graves with parking tickets is really reaching.
Yep. And a year ago I would have said equating massive WMD programs with a few ancient shells was reaching, and that claiming Iraq was involved in 9/11 because an Al Qaeda member once talked to an Iraqi official was really reaching. And lo and behold it WAS really reaching. But never fear, we'll get him for those parking tickets yet!
Yep. And a year ago I would have said equating massive WMD programs with a few ancient shells was reaching, and that claiming Iraq was involved in 9/11 because an Al Qaeda member once talked to an Iraqi official was really reaching. And lo and behold it WAS really reaching. But never fear, we'll get him for those parking tickets yet!
QuoteQuoteI didn't mention Republicans because in my view, the malice begins with the Democrats, and they perpetuate it.
You sound like a child ... they (the Democratres) started it. When will you realize that all politicians are scum bags.
I've probably said that very thing half a dozen times or more on this very forum. But that wasn't what I was asked nor what was being addressed.
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"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
Quote>the malice begins with the Democrats, and they perpetuate it.
Who recently told a US senator to go fuck himself?
Oh, okay, let's pretend that the U.S. senator was being a two-faced asshole, trying to buddy up to a guy he also berates every chance he gets. THAT was the rest of the story there, and most people would probably tell such a duplicitous shitwad to fuck off, too.
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
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Quote>Equating mass graves with parking tickets is really reaching.
Yep. And a year ago I would have said equating massive WMD programs with a few ancient shells was reaching, and that claiming Iraq was involved in 9/11 because an Al Qaeda member once talked to an Iraqi official was really reaching. And lo and behold it WAS really reaching. But never fear, we'll get him for those parking tickets yet!
Was it reaching?
I'm not certain what you are trying to say.
Saddam needed to go, and 80% of Iraq is glad to see him gone, but there are those in that country (and those on the Left over here) that would prefer to see him back in power, and can't imagine that people over there might, just might, benefit from the *righteous* application of geopolitical power - pax americana, anyone?
I guess it just bugs me that the selectiveness of the application of power seems colored (and in some cases justified) by whose political fence that one sits upon. I wasn't on this forum in the late 90s, but I seriously doubt that there was any objection to the use of US military power in the Balkans. Please tell me what has changed?
That is not sarcasm - I am genuinely curious. Did those who supported and defended military action in Eastern Europe then object to the application of politico-military power in the Middle East after 9/11? Does it really matter who is sitting in the Oval Office???
From James F. Dunnigan's Strategy Page:
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IRAQ: The Economics of Roadside Bombs
July 21, 2004: American combat deaths reached 900, as roadside bombs continue to cause many casualties. Over a third of the combat deaths have been from roadside bombs, with the rest from ambushes, mortar fire and fire fights. About a third of the deaths are from rifles, pistols and machine-guns. While the some 80 percent of roadside bombs are discovered before they can be detonated, aggressive and frequent American combat patrols, plus supply and support troops moving about, provide hostile Iraqis with plenty of targets. In some parts of Iraq, planting roadside bombs has become a major part of the local economy. The Baath Party, which finances much of the violence against the government and coalition troops, pays for the bombs to be manufactured and, most importantly, placed and detonated. This is a risky business, as American helicopters and UAVs are constantly patrolling the roads looking for people trying to place a bomb. Many of these bomb teams are captured, many more are killed. So the local Baath Party leader pays hundreds of dollars to place a bomb, and even more if it goes off and kills a foreigner. But the payments for a successful "hit" are so high (often thousands of dollars), that there is no shortage of volunteers willing to risk all to get rich (at least by Iraqi standards, as a private in an elite Iraqi army unit only makes $145 a month.)
The roadside bombs often kill and wound Iraqi civilians as well, which makes the Baath Party less popular. But since most of the bombings take place in Sunni Arab areas, where the Baath Party organization is still largely intact and functioning, getting mad at the party, and trying to do something about it, is not considered a healthy course of action. But in most of the country, the Baath Party is but a memory, the party officials and enforcers having been chased out either in April, 2003, or ten years earlier in the northern Kurdish areas. Where the Baath Party is not active, which means about 80 percent of the country,
roadside bombs, and other violence, is rare. If you look at the pattern of attacks, and anti-government violence in general, and you see that what you basically have is a rebellion by the Sunni Arab minority, the group that ran Iraqi for centuries, against the coming democratically elected government. It's a pretty clear cut battle between democracy and tyranny. But since most neighboring Arab governments are run by Sunni Arab kings or dictators, the Arab media tends to depict the situation in Iraq as a battle between Sunni Arabs trying to throw off a foreign occupation. What gets reports, and the way it is presented, depends a lot on who you are, and who you are rooting for.
July 20, 2004: The interim government is trying to convince neighboring countries to back peace in Iraq. This means halting the policy of calling the violence "Iraqis fighting against foreign occupation" and crack down on organizations and individuals in their countries that are supporting the violence. Syria, in particular, has looked the other way as Baath Party activists recruited and moved men across the border to join the fight in Iraq. Other Arab countries allow fund raising to support the rebellion by the Sunni Arab minority against the Kurdish and Shia Arab majority. Iraq's neighbors are coming to accept the fact that Iraq will be democratic, or at least go through at least one round of elections. Iraq's neighbors are also more willing to accept an Iraq run by its Shia Arab majority. It's become obvious that the Shia Arab majority in Iraq want nothing to do with an "Islamic Republic" similar to the one that has existed in Iran for the last 25 years. Sunni Arabs, who dominate in the Persian Gulf states, have long feared an alliance between Iran (which is mostly Shia) and a Shia dominated Iraq. But the new Iraqi government has demonstrated the traditional Iraqi coolness towards the Iranians (who are not Arabs, but Indo-European).
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In other words, don't f* with the Persians, 'cuz they ain't Arabs. Saddam found that out the hard way.
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The Aladdin sale has gone through and the new owners have stated that they will be welcoming Linda Ronstadt back to perform.
QuoteThe Aladdin sale has gone through and the new owners have stated that they will be welcoming Linda Ronstadt back to perform.
A performer angers the customers to the point that 2000 walk out and they welcome that performer back?
Sounds like a poor business decision. Whether they walked out because of politics or poor music choice, that is a way to lose money. I'll bet the new owners would like to make money.
Oh! I thought I heard that we were on alert for a major AQ attack this Fall.
msnbc.msn.com/id/5411741/site/newsweek/
Thanks for letting me know AQ is in such a shambles that we don't have to worry about its leader any more, that puts my mind at ease. I guess all the stuff I heard about AQ organizing insurgents in Iraq was false too. That will be some solace to the bereaved.
SPIN SPIN SPIN! I never said there was not threat. (nor did GWB and that is my point!!!!) At the time the speech was made (if I remember the time frame correctly) the threat had been lessened because of the arrest (and deaths) of key operatives. Just as with any organization with any resolve, rebuilding takes place, technices change, you get more careful, but that doesn't mead you go away.
If what some one said in the past is so important to you, you might want to look more closely at who you consider to be the saviors of the US (if they get elected) but have a mental neck brace on so you don't get whiplash.
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