RoadRash 0
Saddam was a monster. And in that respect, at least the world has one less monster to worry about. But is GWB any less of a terrorist in the eyes of the Iraqi people (or more importantly the eyes of the Arab world). Put yourself in their shoes for a second. If the roles were reversed, would you stand by while a foreign power invaded your country and killed your friends and family? Knowing how patriotic Americans are, I think it's an easy question to answer.
Try not to worry about the things you have no control over
Try not to worry about the things you have no control over
Jimbo 0
QuoteThis website is filled with just as much propaganda that a Mr. Moore's movie is filled with facts
You read all 45 pages?
QuoteOh and I love the way this website nit-picks at the slightest details in order to build a case against Mr Moore.
Interesting. Isn't that what MM is doing to build his case? Somehow though it's acceptable and brilliant when he does it. Why is that? Anyhow, the point is that what MM claims as truth - isn't. More importantly, what you took for the truth - wasn't.
QuoteOne of my favorites from the website is the claim that Mr Moore is not from Flint Michigan but instead is from a suburb of Flint, called Davison. Well I'm sorry when someone asks me where I grew up, I don't say Dollard-Des-Ormeaux. I say Montreal.
It's not simply that he isn't from Flint, a small town with rampant unemployment and poverty. What it is, is that he is from a well to do, upper middle class town. Quite a difference if you ask me.
QuoteBut rest assured things are going to get a lot worse before they get better (if they get better) and you'll only have GWB to thank for the countless more Americans who will die in the middle east as well as the dire financial state that the western world is rapidly finding themselves in.
Only GWB, the intelligence agencies, the UN, the other members of the coalation - and let's not forget Saddam - I think he was given ample warning.
QuoteThanks for fucking things up George.
Uh huh, because things were wonderful before. Right?
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Jim
"Like" - The modern day comma
Good bye, my friends. You are missed.
Good bye, my friends. You are missed.
QuoteSaddam was a monster. And in that respect, at least the world has one less monster to worry about. But is GWB any less of a terrorist in the eyes of the Iraqi people (or more importantly the eyes of the Arab world). Put yourself in their shoes for a second. If the roles were reversed, would you stand by while a foreign power invaded your country and killed your friends and family? Knowing how patriotic Americans are, I think it's an easy question to answer.
I dunno... I rather think that there are plenty of liberals in this country who would welcome Jacques Chirac to come into the U.S. and "liberate" us from the "dictator" Bush.
(Awful fortunate for us that the French are no good for that sort of thing!)
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
Zenister 0
Quote"Beneath, Between and Behind."
"Ten score years ago,
defeat the kingly foe
a wond'rous dream came into being
Tame the trackless waste
no virgin land left chaste
all shining eyes, but never seeing
Beneath the noble birth
between the proudest words
behind the beauty, cracks appear
Once with heads held high
they sang out to the sky
why do their shadows bow in fear?
Watch the cities rise
another ship arrives
earth's melting pot, and ever growing
Fantastic dreams come true
inventing something new
the greatest minds, but never knowing
(chorus)
The guns replace the plow
facades are tarnished now
The principles have been betrayed
Ooh, the dream's gone stale
but still let hope prevail
History's debt won't be repaid
Beneath the noble birth
between the proudest words
behind the beauty cracks appear
Once with heads held high
they sang out to the sky
why do their shadows bow in fear?
beat me too it, unfortuantely i see the truth of these words more and more each day...
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Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
Yes I did read all 45 pages (why, did you confuse me with a US senator who's said on camera that they don't like reading the very bills they sign into law) and yes a couple of topics were wake up calls as lies by Mr Moore. But knowing how Michael Moore works, this was no surprise.
As far as you points concerning Moore growing up in an affluent area if Flint. Who cares? He's trying to make a case for the people who are unable to make a case for themselves. Or is the only thing that counts in this country the almigthy dollar. Yes America is the land of opportunity for those people who have the finacial well being. But it's a pretty shitty place for those without the resources and the opportunities. And the basic message I took from that movie was that the rich have been fucking over the poor for so long and Mr Moore is only trying to stand up for the poor (as he's done with his at least one of his other movies). But if people don't give a shit about their fellow citizens, then how the hell can they be expected to make this world a better place. And is a country that doesn't give a shit about their poor really worth all the lives that GWB is claiming is needed to protect the American way of life? Well I guess it just doesn't matter as long as GWB is controlling Iraq's oil as well as awarding all his buddies who put him into office in the first place with lucrative rebuilding contracts. I mean at the end of the day, the only thing a rich man is worried about is his money and who he can exploit to get more money.
Try not to worry about the things you have no control over
As far as you points concerning Moore growing up in an affluent area if Flint. Who cares? He's trying to make a case for the people who are unable to make a case for themselves. Or is the only thing that counts in this country the almigthy dollar. Yes America is the land of opportunity for those people who have the finacial well being. But it's a pretty shitty place for those without the resources and the opportunities. And the basic message I took from that movie was that the rich have been fucking over the poor for so long and Mr Moore is only trying to stand up for the poor (as he's done with his at least one of his other movies). But if people don't give a shit about their fellow citizens, then how the hell can they be expected to make this world a better place. And is a country that doesn't give a shit about their poor really worth all the lives that GWB is claiming is needed to protect the American way of life? Well I guess it just doesn't matter as long as GWB is controlling Iraq's oil as well as awarding all his buddies who put him into office in the first place with lucrative rebuilding contracts. I mean at the end of the day, the only thing a rich man is worried about is his money and who he can exploit to get more money.
Try not to worry about the things you have no control over
mikkey 0
QuoteAs for Linda Ronstadt, she is an incredibly talented performer and I would enjoy seeing her in concert. As for her political views, I could give a rats ass.
The above is the reaction I would have expected from Americans.
But the reaction was hysterical. I thought you guys are so proud of free speech? I wonder if anybody would have been kicked out of a venue for praising GWB. It is also interesting that people tore down posters etc. Seems like people who have leftist views in America now are being persecuted by the corporate sector (thinking of Dixie Chicks, Goldberg etc.). Never heard this happen to conservatives. Seems like the attitude from the right is getting more and more aggressive. I just need to read this forum. A little like the 50's revisited.
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When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray.
When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray.
sundevil777 102
Between, Beneath & Behind:
Thanks for reminding me of that song - That song rocks!
I'll have that tune in my head now for a while
That song must have been written in the early 70's, Vietnam war era
I don't see any (edit-unusual) anti-war stuff in Manhattan Project, though.
RUSH - yea baby!
Thanks for reminding me of that song - That song rocks!
I'll have that tune in my head now for a while
That song must have been written in the early 70's, Vietnam war era
I don't see any (edit-unusual) anti-war stuff in Manhattan Project, though.
RUSH - yea baby!
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
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No paying audience should ever be "held hostage" for some performers' political rant......talking about disrespect for the fans........
What do you do at the beginning of a baseball game?
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The World's Most Boring Skydiver
The World's Most Boring Skydiver
sundevil777 102
QuoteI thought you guys are so proud of free speech?
Damn right! And it includes criticism. No contradition in that.
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
sundevil777 102
Quoteand yes a couple of topics were wake up calls as lies by Mr Moore. But knowing how Michael Moore works, this was no surprise.
You're the one who said to back up my claims of MM's lies!
Now you say, "No surprise".
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
billvon 3,114
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>Are you saying that there is NO CASE for the argument that Saddam
> Hussein was guilty of failing to abide by all kinds of U.N. resolutions
> that were imposed on Iraq?
Wow, how the cause for the war has changed.
It was to rid Saddam Hussein of his massive WMD programs. Ooops, no massive WMD programs. I mean, it was to stop him helping Al Qaeda. Well, darn, there were no connections. It was to stop terrorism. Gee, terrorism seems to have increased.
And now the absolute best you can do is that he broke some UN resolutions? The kind Israel has been breaking for years? The very same resolutions right wingers ridicule as pathetic edicts from a toothless organization?
I suppose the next relevation is that Hussein had a lot of very serious parking tickets, and even some moving violations that he NEVER EVEN PAID.
> Hussein was guilty of failing to abide by all kinds of U.N. resolutions
> that were imposed on Iraq?
Wow, how the cause for the war has changed.
It was to rid Saddam Hussein of his massive WMD programs. Ooops, no massive WMD programs. I mean, it was to stop him helping Al Qaeda. Well, darn, there were no connections. It was to stop terrorism. Gee, terrorism seems to have increased.
And now the absolute best you can do is that he broke some UN resolutions? The kind Israel has been breaking for years? The very same resolutions right wingers ridicule as pathetic edicts from a toothless organization?
I suppose the next relevation is that Hussein had a lot of very serious parking tickets, and even some moving violations that he NEVER EVEN PAID.
Yeah, and I'm sure they'd have booted her ass if she'd dedicated a song to the memory of Ronald Reagan ? Bullshit.
The man is dead...why do people always try to dig him up and pounce on him?
Apples and oranges...apples and oranges...
~R+R
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