Who WAS the Worst President ever?

[PhillyKev 0]

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And Kennedy lied to everyone,
and Carter lied about General Singlaub and ruined his career.

Your point is?

That it's naive to judge someone to be the worst president ever based on that criteria, is my guess as to his point.

[tunaplanet 0]

All those people lied under oath to a federal grand jury? Funny, I don't recall that from the history books and classes I took.

Forty-two

[kallend 2,113]

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All those people lied under oath to a federal grand jury? Funny, I don't recall that from the history books and classes I took.

No - some lied directly to the people, some lied to Congress.

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[jimbarry 0]

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So did you reward your kid for that promise or not?

huh?

Look, if you know you're making a false statement, it's a lie. If you say you're going to do something and you don't, it may or may not be a lie depending on your original intent and facts surrounding why you didn't. That's what the english dictionary says and that's what I'm going to stick with.

We're getting nowhere. I quit this thread. Good debate bro, I'm just tahrd...

[kelpdiver 2]

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So did you reward your kid for that promise or not?

huh?

Hey, it was your analogy. If you don't want to be challenged on it, don't provide it as your proof.

The fact is it bore no resemblence to the topic at hand.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Hmmm ... looking at the current results of the poll (obviously not scientific), we see that GWB and Clinton are well ahead of everyone else with TheAnvil holding solid in 3rd place ... now how did he manage to be grouped in with all these presidents?

Could this be because these two presidents are fresh on our memories or could it be because:

1) Clinton is a liar and a womanizer.
2) GWB is a liar and just down right dangerous.

News at eleven ...

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[tunaplanet 0]

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No - some lied directly to the people

So they didn't break the law...even assuming they did inded lie (which is of course your opinion) with the exception of maybe Nixon.

They didn't break the law. Clinton did.

Forty-two

[Muenkel 0]

Bill,

I'm curious, at what point in your frame of reference does lying under oath become perjury?

Also folks, let's not forget that President Clinton was dis-barred due to his actions.

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Chris

[Muenkel 0]

One other thing: When someone is put under oath, the are asked if they promise to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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Chris

[kallend 2,113]

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One other thing: When someone is put under oath, the are asked if they promise to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

How would that apply to the Bush administration's supplying Congress with cost estimates of Bush's medicare proposals, but when they discovered that these were significantly underestimated, withholding that information from Congress until after the vote had been taken?

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[kallend 2,113]

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Bill,

I'm curious, at what point in your frame of reference does lying under oath become perjury?

Also folks, let's not forget that President Clinton was dis-barred due to his actions.

When Bush and Cheney testified to the 911 commission, they claimed they did not have to take an oath because their oaths of office covered the situation. Following this logic, any statement to Congress by a President is automatically under oath. And plenty of Presidents have lied to Congress, including Eisenhower and GWB.

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[TheAnvil 0]

Er...who inititiated the investigation?

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[TheAnvil 0]

TheAnvil is a womanizer and downright dangerous (when fed tequila).

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[jimbarry 0]

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Hey, it was your analogy. If you don't want to be challenged on it, don't provide it as your proof.

Wrong. My analogy was rock solid logical, because it contrasts a boldly unfactual statement versus a change of plans. What that has to do with this 'reward' you keep talking about is beyond me, hence my "huh?".

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The fact is it bore no resemblence to the topic at hand.

You challenged *me* on what a lie is. I gave you a dictionary supported position. Complain to the dictionary, not to me.

[Treejumps 0]

Wow, how could you leave JFK off the list. He is the one who started it all, and is IMO, the worst president we ever had. Of course many others in positions of power felt the same and solved the problem.

Second choice: Clinton. White trash at it's best.

[billvon 3,085]

> with TheAnvil holding solid in 3rd place ... now how did he manage to
>be grouped in with all these presidents?

Well, the poll didn't ask if he made a good president, it just asked if he should be sent straight to hell for getting the rabble all lathered up.

[TypicalFish 0]

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be sent straight to hell for getting the rabble all lathered up.

Is there a circuitous way to Hell?

"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

[PhillyKev 0]

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be sent straight to hell for getting the rabble all lathered up.

Is there a circuitous way to Hell?

Never read Dante?

[SpeedRacer 1]

You know, if it wasn't for that treasonous George Washington, we would never have had ANY of these assholes in office!!

Speed Racer
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[TheAnvil 0]

President Vinny...dear God what a thought...that would be kind of cool...imagine AF-1 coming to a dropzone near you...

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[rushmc 23]

Hmmmm, 119 views and 206 votes.

Chicago's dead are at it again

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,555]

Multiple votes allowed -- kind of like S. Texas

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

LOL

It has been a fun morning!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jumprunner 0]

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"Read my lips...I will not raise taxes..."
-George Bush Sr., before he signed a bill that raised taxes

Christ. Is that the best you can do? He said that a full two years before he did raise taxes - he hardly could have predicted the future. The man was in office for a full four years and was a heavy hitter in Washington before that. Surely you can come up with something better than that.

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Jim

When the Republicans do it, its no big deal. When the Democrats do it, it warrants the attention of the federal grand jury (being sarcastic).

I guess it really is no big deal that the Bushs lie since thats all they seem to know how to do anyway. Yea, okay, Bush lied. So what else is new?

It doesnt do any good to argue the point. What does do some good is to get Bush out of office now and forever, because if that crook gets a second term where he can "finish the job", he really will turn this into a third world country and who knows what horrible surprises he has lined up. Unless you happen to be one of the richest 2% of the population, he's a commin' after you too.

And if youre not, then I am bewildered at why you would support someone like that. Its all about money, and if you aint got it, then Bush aint on your side.

[jumprunner 0]

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Clinton is going to win this one hands down...and rightfully so.

I don't know...

I personally don't give a shit about who he was sleeping with. He did an Ok job running the country. I say 'ok' because there isn't really a way to make everyone happy. There will always be people who disagree and people who agree with what is being done by the president. (One of the pluses of being a democratic society.) I certainly don't think he did any worse than the rest of em.

For the most part I agree with you. But as for an OK job......can you name three things Clinton accomplished as President? And don't tell me he balanced the budget because congress controls the purse strings.......but I will give you this one if you want. Two more?

2. Boosted the economy which flourished under the Clinton administration

3. Kept the country out of silly, ridiculous conflicts like the Bush conflict in Iraq

And I say "Bush conflict" because it isnt my war, its his war, and you wont see my waving my flag or offering any support there, and you sure as hell wont see me support things like what happened to those prisoners.

Sexual perversion, torture, humiliation, political correctness, this is Bushs war and his mentality.

Im not saying the Democrats are perfect or even a good choice, what I am saying is that anybody, and I mean anybody, but Bush is a good choice. Sadam Hussein would be a better choice.