How to be a good Rebuplican

[freeflydrew 0]

I just found the other post so ridiculous, and KAllend posted the link, I had to post this so hopefully the other side could see how ridiculous generalizations really are, and stop the labeling and name calling...

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How to be a good republican
1.You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread because people are evil and should be punished.

2.You have to believe that the evolution is a myth that shouldn't be taught in schools, despite the evidence of biochemistry and the fossil record.

3.You have to believe that there is no causal link between legal, easily-obtainable handguns and high murder rates.

4.You have to believe that unfunded arts and school programs are still subject to government control.

5.You have to believe that global temperatures are completely unaffected by fossil fuel emissions, that the best way to save the national forests is to allow logging companies to cut down old-growth timber, and the best way to save endangered species is to allow trophy hunters and wildlife traders to import more of them.

6.You have to believe that homosexuality is evil (despite the fact that it occurs in nature) and that women should stay at home to cook and bear children.

7.You have to be against abortion but support capital punishment

8.You have to believe that businesses never purposely hurt anyone to make money.

9.You have to believe that hunting requires an automatic rifle.

10.You have to believe that inherited wealth is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

11.You have to believe that war is an acceptable solution to any economic or social problem.

12.You have to believe that everyone should support the troops - except when it comes to paying them.

13.You have to believe the NRA is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

14.You have to believe that taxes are for poor and middle class people, not the rich.

15.You have to believe that Oliver North and Monica Lewinsky are more important to American history than Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy.

16.You have to believe that affirmative action is wrong, while still supporting discrimination against minorities.

17.You have to believe that Ann Coulter is normal and really a very nice person.

18.You have to believe that the only reason supply-side economics hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.

19.You have to believe liberals telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and draft-dodger belongs in the White House.

20.You have to believe that the Ten Commandments should be displayed in every public building regardless of the fact that not everyone in America is a Christian.

21.You have to believe that illegal Republican Party funding by corporations is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

22.You have to believe that the media are biased toward liberals, despite the fact that all the major media outlets are owned by ultra-rich conservatives.

[Steel 0]

this is so easy to tear apart but I will just take the first four.
1.You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread because people are evil and should be punished.

Aids just like Syphilis and gonaria and what have you typically do not happen to people who don't whore around.

2.You have to believe that the evolution is a myth that shouldn't be taught in schools, despite the evidence of biochemistry and the fossil record.

Evolution makes sense to me and I spend quite a significant amount of time listening to political commentary. I have yet to hear a politician suggest that it shouldn't be taught in schools. I am not saying it has never happened but to suggest that to be a Republican you must damn any evolution theories just doesn't sound at all accurate.

3.You have to believe that there is no causal link between legal, easily-obtainable handguns and high murder rates.

Oh there is definately a link. Places with stricter gun laws have significantly higher murder rates. I remember once argueing about that with somebody and going state by state with murder rates and comparing them back to the gun laws of that state (all of which are listed on Packing.org) and it was quite clear. Stricter gun laws equal higher murder rates. I know liberals hate the fact but those are very clearly the facts.

4.You have to believe that unfunded arts and school programs are still subject to government control.

I took art appreciation when I was in college. I had to go to the Whitney and MOMA (museum of modern Art). If normal people know the loads of sick crap that liberals for some unknown reason want to fund, then they also would not want their children exposed to that.

I will let other people with common sense here answer the rest of them.

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[crozby 0]

i think the whole point of the original list was that you should read the Republican/Democrat bits side by side.

That way you can laugh at yourself as well as laughing at the idiots who support the morons on the other side.

Here's the whole un-butchered list (again):

http://www.aboyandhiscomputer.com/Dem_Rep_compare.html

[TheAnvil 0]

Republicans support racial discrimination? Hmmm...nope on # 16. Conservatives are against affirmative action.

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this is so easy to tear apart but I will just take the first four.
Evolution makes sense to me and I spend quite a significant amount of time listening to political commentary. I have yet to hear a politician suggest that it shouldn't be taught in schools. I am not saying it has never happened but to suggest that to be a Republican you must damn any evolution theories just doesn't sound at all accurate.

I believe the point of these two posts were to point out the extremes that there are on both political parties, and they have done an excellent job at that. I agree there are a ton of Republicans who don't want evolution taught in schools, but on the other list there are many things that don't apply to any more than a small segment of extremist Democrats.

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[Nightingale 0]

you need to check your HIV facts.

Many HIV positive people, especially in Africa, have been infected by their spouses. Many in Asia have been infected by their government. Children have been infected because their mother was HIV positive when they were born. People have gotten HIV from blood transfusians, from cheating partners who promised monogamy, and from other sources. It's been transmitted to health care workers from accidental needle sticks.

it isn't just something someone can catch from "whoring around."

[Steel 0]

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you need to check your HIV facts.

Many HIV positive people, especially in Africa, have been infected by their spouses. Many in Asia have been infected by their government. Children have been infected because their mother was HIV positive when they were born. People have gotten HIV from blood transfusians, from cheating partners who promised monogamy, and from other sources. It's been transmitted to health care workers from accidental needle sticks.

it isn't just something someone can catch from "whoring around."

yes those are all examples of other possibilities but the bulk, that is the majority of cases in the U.S. atleast still lie with the promiscous gay male population. I remember once in a train ride in New York a couple of years ago getting into a conversation with a passenger sitting in the same isle who happened to work educating people on aids awareness mentioned that. His actual job was to educate gay males on aids awareness. I know for for an arguement it sounds pretty to take the liberal position and deny facts and later use facts to solve problems that you actually care about but you just can't have your cake and eat it too.

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I have yet to hear a politician suggest that it shouldn't be taught in schools.

Ummm.....Kansas? Not allowed to mention evolution as a possibility in public schools? Is that still the case there? I've not heard that it's changed.

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[billvon 3,111]

>Aids just like Syphilis and gonaria and what have you typically do not
>happen to people who don't whore around. . . .

>that is the majority of cases in the U.S. atleast still lie with the promiscous
>gay male population.

Only 42% of new AIDS cases in the US are caused by gay men "whoring around". The rest are caused by heterosexual sex, IV drug usage, mother/child transmission and blood product usage (i.e. transfusions.) This sometimes presents problems to people who want to blame AIDS on promiscuous gays, or call AIDS "gay cancer" or whatever, so these statistics are often ignored.

http://www.aidshotline.org/crm/asp/refer/statistics/stats_transmission.asp

>I have yet to hear a politician suggest that it shouldn't be taught in
>schools.

In 1999, the conservative Kansas Board of Education voted to remove evolution from the list of subjects tested on state standardized tests. The standardized tests determine what gets taught in Kansas schools, since they are the metric for a school's performance.

[freeflydrew 0]

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Data from 2002, but the idea still applies...
There are so many different ways of sorting the numbers...
In the US:
Age 35 to 44 are the most infected age group
White not Hispanic is the most infected Race
Gay Male more than Straight male cases of Exposure
Children with Mothers with HIV highest exposure by children.

This is only in the US... Point--->Steel
In Africa, the statistics are not the same, and the numbers are not the same. Point-->Nightingdale


One is talking about the US specifically, the other mre of a global viewpoint... Not exactly sure what liberal has to do with anything here.

[Steel 0]

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>Aids just like Syphilis and gonaria and what have you typically do not
>happen to people who don't whore around. . . .

>that is the majority of cases in the U.S. atleast still lie with the promiscous
>gay male population.

Only 42% of new AIDS cases in the US are caused by gay men "whoring around". The rest are caused by heterosexual sex, IV drug usage, mother/child transmission and blood product usage (i.e. transfusions.) This sometimes presents problems to people who want to blame AIDS on promiscuous gays, or call AIDS "gay cancer" or whatever, so these statistics are often ignored.

http://www.aidshotline.org/crm/asp/refer/statistics/stats_transmission.asp

>I have yet to hear a politician suggest that it shouldn't be taught in
>schools.

In 1999, the conservative Kansas Board of Education voted to remove evolution from the list of subjects tested on state standardized tests. The standardized tests determine what gets taught in Kansas schools, since they are the metric for a school's performance.

I have no desire to blame aids on anybody, just as I have no desire to blame Alzeimers or prostate cancer on anybody. But if you are going to address a problem you need to be looking where it is most. And if its down to 42% now, that only means it has gone down to a plurality but its still the most common.

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No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[billvon 3,111]

>But if you are going to address a problem you need to be looking where it is most.

Well, you need to try to get the most benefit for the most people with the least money. Getting gay men to be more careful might well solve 40% of new cases. An AIDS vaccine could solve 99% of the problem. I think both are worthy avenues to pursue - behavioral changes in the short term, a vaccine in the long term.

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22.You have to believe that the media are biased toward liberals, despite the fact that all the major media outlets are owned by ultra-rich conservatives.

[freeflydrew 0]

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22.You have to believe that the media are biased toward liberals, despite the fact that all the major media outlets are owned by ultra-rich conservatives.

Please name these media outlets. I'm very curious, and can only think of one thus far.

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[PhillyKev 0]

It's not all....but 3 of the biggest.

Disney, News Corp and Viacom

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It's not all....but 3 of the biggest.

Disney, News Corp and Viacom

These are Corporation that are owned by stockholders.

[PhillyKev 0]

Gee...who are the principal shareholders? Who has shares that actually allow them to vote on corporate issues. Just because you own shares doesn't mean you get a vote or sit on the board or decide who sits on the board or who makes day to day decisions about content on broadcast stations.


For Disney, one primary and notable shareholder is Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdulaziz Al Saud

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Gee...who are the principal shareholders? Who has shares that actually allow them to vote on corporate issues. Just because you own shares doesn't mean you get a vote or sit on the board or decide who sits on the board or who makes day to day decisions about content on broadcast stations.


For Disney, one primary and notable shareholder is Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdulaziz Al Saud

So is it your contention that Disney, Newcorp and Viacom are slanted to the right?

[billvon 3,111]

>So is it your contention that Disney, Newcorp and Viacom are slanted to the right?

Disney recently partnered with Move America Forward, a right-wing propaganda organization run by the GOP PR firm Russo Marsh and Rogers. They got together to present a movie called "America's Heart and Soul". Keep in mind this is also the organization that refused to release "Farenheight 9/11."

[crozby 0]

Yes, it's safe to say that Rupert Murdock who owns News Corp which owns Fox in the US, Sky TV in Europe and The Times and The Sun newspapers in the UK, plus many other media outlets is more than a little right-wing.

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>So is it your contention that Disney, Newcorp and Viacom are slanted to the right?

Disney recently partnered with Move America Forward, a right-wing propaganda organization run by the GOP PR firm Russo Marsh and Rogers. They got together to present a movie called "America's Heart and Soul". Keep in mind this is also the organization that refused to release "Farenheight 9/11."

How is being involved in a movie that unlike the negative and misleading storyline of Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11," Disney's "America's Heart & Soul" features a collection of upbeat storylines of real life Americans who pursue their passions in a way that underscores what makes America a great nation an indication they are right leaning? Are you suggesting a story which points out the most negative side of America with half truths is left wing and a story that points out the good in America is right wing. If so, I'd have to agree.

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Yes, it's safe to say that Rupert Murdock who owns News Corp which owns Fox in the US, Sky TV in Europe and The Times and The Sun newspapers in the UK, plus many other media outlets is more than a little right-wing.

The point we were debating was this:

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22.You have to believe that the media are biased toward liberals, despite the fact that all the major media outlets are owned by ultra-rich conservatives.

Agree or disagree?

[billvon 3,111]

>How is being involved in a movie that unlike the negative and misleading
> storyline of Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11," Disney's "America's Heart
> & Soul" features a collection of upbeat storylines of real life Americans
>who pursue their passions in a way that underscores what makes America
>a great nation an indication they are right leaning?

The movie they were involved with does not indicate that. Their partnership with a right wing PR firm, however, does.

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>How is being involved in a movie that unlike the negative and misleading
> storyline of Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11," Disney's "America's Heart
> & Soul" features a collection of upbeat storylines of real life Americans
>who pursue their passions in a way that underscores what makes America
>a great nation an indication they are right leaning?

The movie they were involved with does not indicate that. Their partnership with a right wing PR firm, however, does.

So you are saying that mere association is an indication of credibility? In other words, guilt by association?

[billvon 3,111]

>So you are saying that mere association is an indication of credibility?

The people they choose to associate with indicate their preferences, yes. If Michael Moore partnered with a new film company to produce a documentary, and someone suggested the new film company was a right-wing film company, what would your reply be?