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The evidence is starting to trickle in!

Claims of WMD's in other countries that came from Iraq are starting to bubble up too. (That will be substantiated next wait and see)

The truth is coming out! The lies and rhetoric start to look foolish.

Oh, I forget, Fox is not a credible news source.
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That will be substantiated next wait and see



I'm waiting... $87 Billion, and you find NOTHING in 1.5 years - and now this...

Clutching at straws...

Why not swing a right and head to North Korea who is squealing that they DO have WMD's? Mmm?

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Tonto, don't be foolish.

Are you recommending we invade NK???? That's what it sounds like to me.
Do you think for a minute that if we KNEW Iraq already had Nuclear weapons we would invade? No. If Iraq had Nukes we certainly wouldn't have.

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That will be substantiated next wait and see



I'm waiting... $87 Billion, and you find NOTHING in 1.5 years - and now this...
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I guess gas filled shells are nothing. .....nice try..... You can keep your eyes closed if you choose to

Clutching at straws...

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Keep the faith!

Why not swing a right and head to North Korea who is squealing that they DO have WMD's? Mmm?

Typical, change the issue. Different situation completely!! Nice try again but let us stay on topic please!
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Oh, I forget, Fox is not a credible news source.



If you think ANY news source is 100% credible, think again. They all have their own agendas, and Murdoch does nothing to hide which side of the fence he sits on.

But in answer to your question, i would say Fox rates near the lower end of the credibility stakes, so yes, i agree, this is straw clutching, although im standing by with my hat in hands to eat it, should it turn out to be anything but.

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Republicans said Wilson was trying to boost John Kerry's presidential campaign and looked to discredit him and his mission.



I love that line. The Republicans claim Wilson't motivation in writing this article was to boost Kerry's campaign. The article was published July 6, 2003. He must have some super secret psychic powers or something.

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Wilson's own lies and contradicting statements discredit him and his mission. The article's author should have stated that Wilson's motivation was to malign President Bush rather than boost sKerry.
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Oh, I forget, Fox is not a credible news source.



If you think ANY news source is 100% credible, think again. They all have their own agendas, and Murdoch does nothing to hide which side of the fence he sits on.

But in answer to your question, i would say Fox rates near the lower end of the credibility stakes, so yes, i agree, this is straw clutching, although im standing by with my hat in hands to eat it, should it turn out to be anything but.


The Fox report backs up the SIC report. Does that make it credible?
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Republicans said Wilson was trying to boost John Kerry's presidential campaign and looked to discredit him and his mission.



I love that line. The Republicans claim Wilson't motivation in writing this article was to boost Kerry's campaign. The article was published July 6, 2003. He must have some super secret psychic powers or something.



God this is fun.

WISLON ADMITTED IT TO THE SIC!!!
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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The article's author should have stated that Wilson's motivation was to malign President Bush rather than boost sKerry.



Why, the article's author wasn't making the claim. He was reporting what the republicans are claiming. But half truths and maligning anyone critical of Bush claiming that no one could possibly not like him unless politically motivated seems to be what they are best at.

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God this is fun.

WISLON ADMITTED IT TO THE SIC!!!



Admitted that he has psychic powers. Are you not following along? The article, that supposedly was motivated by boosting Kerry's campaign was published 2 months before Kerry announced his candidacy. :S

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Admitted that he has psychic powers. Are you not following along? The article, that supposedly was motivated by boosting Kerry's campaign was published 2 months before Kerry announced his candidacy. :S



and we all know that 2 months before the announcement, he had no feelers out and was just sitting in a closet by himself pondering whether to run. :S

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God this is fun.

WISLON ADMITTED IT TO THE SIC!!!



Admitted that he has psychic powers. Are you not following along? The article, that supposedly was motivated by boosting Kerry's campaign was published 2 months before Kerry announced his candidacy. :S



Come on man, follow the news sources you deem credible!!!!

Wilson admitted to the the Senant Intelligence Committee that he lied!

He even admitted the reason.

This is fun!!!:D
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Wilson admitted to the the Senant Intelligence Committee that he lied!



Wait a second! This isn't one of those times when someone has spoken against the administration, and is discredited...

Where did he admit to lying, and what did he lie about?

I think that you may be misreading the article...

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and we all know that 2 months before the announcement, he had no feelers out and was just sitting in a closet by himself pondering whether to run.



Again, that's quite a leap from having feelers out and contemplating running to being the Democratic candidate.

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Wilson admitted to the the Senant Intelligence Committee that he lied!



Wait a second! This isn't one of those times when someone has spoken against the administration, and is discredited...

Where did he admit to lying, and what did he lie about?

I think that you may be misreading the article...



Look, I only said Bush was right. I never talked about the Kerry issue even though it is in the article. But as to what Wilson lied about. here is more information[url] http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14264
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Wilson admitted to the the Senant Intelligence Committee that he lied!



Wait a second! This isn't one of those times when someone has spoken against the administration, and is discredited...

Where did he admit to lying, and what did he lie about?

I think that you may be misreading the article...



Need more?

http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak15.html
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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this is being covered extensively in the other thread about the exact same thing... I think you should read that discussion before you start this one, which really has no foundation anyway. Check out the other one, it's full of a lot of interesting viewpoints, and information.

Here:
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When Bush said it in his speech, there was no evidence that the claims were true... The CIA had already concluded that the claims were false, the White House soon apologized and said the 16 words should not have been used in the speech. "...the White House said including the 16 words in the State of the Union was a mistake because the assertion was not well enough corroborated to merit mention in a State of the Union speech". 2 Years later, British Intelligence Services are now saying the claim may have been true, and conclude that the sources may have been credible... What is that claim, who is the source, and how is it credible? "Wilson had said a former prime minister of Niger, Ibrahim Mayaki, mentioned a visit from an Iraqi delegation in 1999 that expressed interest in expanding commercial ties with Niger, the world's third largest producer of mined uranium. Mayaki believed this meant they were interested in buying uranium." (from Fox News)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/...politics/3061957.stm(this is from 2003, but i believe still applies to the discussion)

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"...However, on Saturday the UK defended the Niger claim, saying it had intelligence from a separate source that the CIA did not know about.

Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said the UK had additional information to support the claim that Iraq had sought uranium from Niger, but this intelligence had not been passed on to the US administration because it came from another foreign intelligence service.

The BBC's Elizabeth Blunt says the UK didn't name a specific country in the uranium claim, saying Saddam had sought to get uranium from Africa.

Niger has been in the spotlight because of letters purporting to be about a sale from Niger which were handed over to the weapons inspectors - but they later turned out to be fake.

Elizabeth Blunt reported: "If the government is talking about Niger, by far and away the most obvious source would be the French government or someone within the French establishment.

"Niger has two uranium mines, both operated by a company called Cogema and Cogema is the commercial wing of the French atomic energy commission.

"It is around 85%-owned, directly or indirectly, by the French government, which maintains the mines in Niger as a secure source of uranium and which, along with Japan, buys the entire output.

"So any information that Iraq was seeking uranium was highly likely to have come from or to have involved the French.

"And that raises the thought-provoking possibility that crucial information used to justify the war in Iraq may actually have come from the country which most loudly opposed it."


Hhhmmmmmmm...

http://www.ndtv.com/...d=56859&callid=1

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"Mayaki said a businessman helped set up the meeting, saying the Iraqis were interested in "expanding commercial relations" with Niger - which Mayaki interpreted as an overture to buy uranium, Wilson said."

So Mayaki's interpretation of an event is solid evidence? This is the only specific event about these claims that I have found, and I'm sure that you'd agree that it is anything but solid.


http://mostlyafrica.blogspot.com

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"The US Senate committee's report mentions a meeting in 1999 as well ... can't tell if they're talking about the same meeting though.  The meeting was mentioned in an intelligence report produced following  Ambassador Wilson’s trip to Niger.
The intelligence report indicated that former Nigerian Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki was unaware of any contracts that had been signed between Niger and any rogue states for the sale of yellowcake while he was Prime Minister (1997 – 1999) or Foreign Minister (1996 – 1997).   Mayaki said that if there had been any such contract during his tenure, he would have been aware of it.  Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999, [redacted] businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss “expanding commercial relations” between Niger and Iraq.  The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted “expanding commercial relations” to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales.  The intelligence report also said that “although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq.”  (source)
Here is the thing ... in an interview with the BBC conducted a couple of days ago, Mayaki said he has no recollection of such a meeting."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3891503.stm

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"Niger's former prime minister has said that Iraq did not try to buy uranium, contradicting claims made in the build-up to the invasion of Iraq.

Ibrahim Mayaki told the BBC that no Iraqi delegation went to Niger while he was foreign minister or prime minister...."

I, still, have yet to see any solid evidence supporting these claims.

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