Bush Was Right!

[rushmc 23]

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Then why did you keep replying to me pointing out that he couldn't have printed his article to support the Kerry campaign by saying that he admitted that he did?

You lost me?? All I am saying in this thread that this is one more piece of evidence contradicting all those who said Bush lied. I have never said anything about the Kerry connection

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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this is being covered extensively in the other thread about the exact same thing... I think you should read that discussion before you start this one, which really has no foundation anyway. Check out the other one, it's full of a lot of interesting viewpoints, and information.

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When Bush said it in his speech, there was no evidence that the claims were true... The CIA had already concluded that the claims were false, the White House soon apologized and said the 16 words should not have been used in the speech. "...the White House said including the 16 words in the State of the Union was a mistake because the assertion was not well enough corroborated to merit mention in a State of the Union speech". 2 Years later, British Intelligence Services are now saying the claim may have been true, and conclude that the sources may have been credible... What is that claim, who is the source, and how is it credible? "Wilson had said a former prime minister of Niger, Ibrahim Mayaki, mentioned a visit from an Iraqi delegation in 1999 that expressed interest in expanding commercial ties with Niger, the world's third largest producer of mined uranium. Mayaki believed this meant they were interested in buying uranium." (from Fox News)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/...politics/3061957.stm(this is from 2003, but i believe still applies to the discussion)

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"...However, on Saturday the UK defended the Niger claim, saying it had intelligence from a separate source that the CIA did not know about.

Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said the UK had additional information to support the claim that Iraq had sought uranium from Niger, but this intelligence had not been passed on to the US administration because it came from another foreign intelligence service.

The BBC's Elizabeth Blunt says the UK didn't name a specific country in the uranium claim, saying Saddam had sought to get uranium from Africa.

Niger has been in the spotlight because of letters purporting to be about a sale from Niger which were handed over to the weapons inspectors - but they later turned out to be fake.

Elizabeth Blunt reported: "If the government is talking about Niger, by far and away the most obvious source would be the French government or someone within the French establishment.

"Niger has two uranium mines, both operated by a company called Cogema and Cogema is the commercial wing of the French atomic energy commission.

"It is around 85%-owned, directly or indirectly, by the French government, which maintains the mines in Niger as a secure source of uranium and which, along with Japan, buys the entire output.

"So any information that Iraq was seeking uranium was highly likely to have come from or to have involved the French.

"And that raises the thought-provoking possibility that crucial information used to justify the war in Iraq may actually have come from the country which most loudly opposed it."

Hhhmmmmmmm...

http://www.ndtv.com/...d=56859&callid=1

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"Mayaki said a businessman helped set up the meeting, saying the Iraqis were interested in "expanding commercial relations" with Niger - which Mayaki interpreted as an overture to buy uranium, Wilson said."

So Mayaki's interpretation of an event is solid evidence? This is the only specific event about these claims that I have found, and I'm sure that you'd agree that it is anything but solid.


http://mostlyafrica.blogspot.com

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"The US Senate committee's report mentions a meeting in 1999 as well ... can't tell if they're talking about the same meeting though.  The meeting was mentioned in an intelligence report produced following  Ambassador Wilson’s trip to Niger.
The intelligence report indicated that former Nigerian Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki was unaware of any contracts that had been signed between Niger and any rogue states for the sale of yellowcake while he was Prime Minister (1997 – 1999) or Foreign Minister (1996 – 1997).   Mayaki said that if there had been any such contract during his tenure, he would have been aware of it.  Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999, [redacted] businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss “expanding commercial relations” between Niger and Iraq.  The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted “expanding commercial relations” to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales.  The intelligence report also said that “although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq.”  (source)
Here is the thing ... in an interview with the BBC conducted a couple of days ago, Mayaki said he has no recollection of such a meeting."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3891503.stm

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"Niger's former prime minister has said that Iraq did not try to buy uranium, contradicting claims made in the build-up to the invasion of Iraq.

Ibrahim Mayaki told the BBC that no Iraqi delegation went to Niger while he was foreign minister or prime minister...."

I, still, have yet to see any solid evidence supporting these claims.

Look again!

Wilson has now admitted that his statements (the earlier ones) were a lie. The new SIC report now says something different than what you post above.

Those reportedly forged papers were not the documents that the Bush statement was based on.

Stopping hanging on to the past

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[freeflydrew 0]

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Look again!

Wilson has now admitted that his statements (the earlier ones) were a lie. The new SIC report now says something different than what you post above.

Those reportedly forged papers were not the documents that the Bush statement was based on.

Stopping hanging on to the past

Wow, you managed to discredit 4 different sources, with absolutely nothing more than a couple sentances with no sources, and a comment about hanging onto the past... The post I copied was from today, and the quotes, except the one from 2003, are all recent. I think a discussion with you will not be objective, nor without subtle insults, so I'll back away now.
Have a great day.

[rushmc 23]

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Look again!

Wilson has now admitted that his statements (the earlier ones) were a lie. The new SIC report now says something different than what you post above.

Those reportedly forged papers were not the documents that the Bush statement was based on.

Stopping hanging on to the past

Wow, you managed to discredit 4 different sources, with absolutely nothing more than a couple sentances with no sources, and a comment about hanging onto the past... The post I copied was from today, and the quotes, except the one from 2003, are all recent. I think a discussion with you will not be objective, nor without subtle insults, so I'll back away now.
Have a great day.

As you leave take a look at your own post. Look at some of the dates of the data being spoken of.

You need to back away before..........well

You have a great day too.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[freeflydrew 0]

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As you leave take a look at your own post. Look at some of the dates of the data being spoken of.

Like I said, the post I copied was from today Here and the quotes, except the one from 2003, are all recent:
Sunday, 13 July, 2003, 12:21 GMT 13:21 UK
Saturday, July 10, 2004 (Washington)
Monday, July 19, 2004
Wednesday, 14 July, 2004, 12:42 GMT 13:42

Like I said, I think a discussion with you will not be objective, nor without subtle insults, so I'll back away now... a second time

[billvon 3,114]

You guys post a lot for guys who aren't posting to this thread any more.

[cvfd1399 0]

Could Kerry have paid him off to get the fires burning before he "offically" came out to run nooo never? You think that kerry had to announce his candidacy before anyone knew about it?

[PhillyKev 0]

Talk about conspiracy theories.

So, Kerry was the one that is psychic and knew he would win the primaries?

[billvon 3,114]

>So, Kerry was the one that is psychic and knew he would win the primaries?

Now that's crazy talk. It's clear that Kerry is in league with the Dark Lord; he helped inform him how to get ready for his campaign. Bush, on the other hand, gets his marching orders from God himself. It's not an election, it's a decision between Lucifer and The Avenging Hand of God himself!

[cvfd1399 0]

My bad. I thought that you were talking about before the primary.

[Muenkel 0]

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Now that's crazy talk. It's clear that Kerry is in league with the Dark Lord; he helped inform him how to get ready for his campaign. Bush, on the other hand, gets his marching orders from God himself. It's not an election, it's a decision between Lucifer and The Avenging Hand of God himself!

If perchance this statement is true, then I would say that Bush has a better chance of winning.

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Chris

[jumprunner 0]

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That will be substantiated next wait and see

I'm waiting... $87 Billion, and you find NOTHING in 1.5 years - and now this...

Clutching at straws...

Why not swing a right and head to North Korea who is squealing that they DO have WMD's? Mmm?

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North Korea can brag about their WMDs all they want, if they want Bush's attention, they better plan on finding a vast source of petroleum in their country.

[jumprunner 0]

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"Bush was Right!"


BEER!

Right about what? That he invaded Iraq because of WMDs, or that he invaded Iraq because "it was the right thing to do"?

[Muenkel 0]

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North Korea can brag about their WMDs all they want, if they want Bush's attention, they better plan on finding a vast source of petroleum in their country.

Uggh! Is this mantra still being used?

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Chris