Bush the bully....

[PhillyKev 0]

An aquaintence of mine is a reporter for the local FOX affiliate. She told me this story last night....

She was on a train to DC with Joe Biden of DE and was interviewing him. After the interview he started speaking candidly to her off the record. He told her that there was a bill going through congress that GWB was pushing to get passed. Biden was leading the opposition to the bill. GWB asked Biden to the oval office for a sit down about it. While there, they came to an impasse and it was clear Biden was not going to change his position. GBW then grabbed him by his jacket lapels, pulled him forward and got right in his face, and shouted at him, "I will get the bill passes you son of a bitch." Biden grabbed him back in the same manner and shouted, "No you won't, Mr. President."

Thought that was an interesting story about the high and mighty strong moral character of our President.

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"high and mighty strong moral character of our President."

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[pajarito 0]

I don't doubt there might have been serious straight talk, however, this sounds like a "fish story." It sounds like it might be exaggerated a bit. I doubt it was so dramatic. However, I could be wrong.

[PhreeZone 20]

I'm trying to find what this bill could possibly be, any clues? I'm looking at Jefferson.loc.gov for voting records, but they do not have the debates online.

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[lawrocket 3]

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, "I will get the bill passes you son of a bitch." Biden grabbed him back in the same manner and shouted, "No you won't, Mr. President."

Were those Joe Biden's own words that said that? I dunno since Joe Biden doesn't even use his own words.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[PhillyKev 0]

No....I did ask her but she didn't remember. It wasn't a recent event.

It may be exhagerated but I've read a few other anecdotal incidents regarding Bush and his political tactics, including threatening to beat people up when he was gov of Texas if they didn't vote his way.

[markd_nscr986 0]

second hand of second hand of second hand........surely you can do better than that?and I know GWB would have called his "pit bull' Cheney in to take care of "tail gunner" Joe......tell him to f*#@ off or eat S#@% and die or something

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[PhillyKev 0]

To clarify, I'm relating a story told to me that was told to someone else. So I'm not claiming any validity or exactness of the quotes. But like I said, I've read of similar stories regarding Bush, and this came to me from 3 degrees of separation from the man himself.

In fact I recall a similar story in the WSJ about a month ago about how he had threatened to "kick your ass" when dealing with somone over a political issue as gov. of texas.

[pajarito 0]

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To clarify, I'm relating a story told to me that was told to someone else. So I'm not claiming any validity or exactness of the quotes. But like I said, I've read of similar stories regarding Bush, and this came to me from 3 degrees of separation from the man himself.

You admit that you're not claiming validity, however, you've read similar stories (with the same validity as this one?) and came to this conclusion in your post:

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Thought that was an interesting story about the high and mighty strong moral character of our President.

[PhillyKev 0]

Yes, I'm relating a story, I didn't make any false claims about it's legitimacy, I told you exactly what the sources were.

I believe the story is true and I'm drawing a conlustion from it. I'm just not going to try and claim to you all that I was a personal witness to the events. Would you rather I tell you that I was in the oval office and witnessed the events?

[lawrocket 3]

Frankly, I would not doubt that the story is true. My impression is that over the past few years, the Presidency has been operating on the "Mob Boss" level.

It's nothing new, but it's a shame. Mess with the POTUS, and you'll face the consequences.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[lifewithoutanet 0]

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An aquaintence of mine is a reporter for the local FOX affiliate. She told me this story last night....

Hmmm... Does that make it Fair and Balanced? Just poking holes with a little subtle irony. Fox is rarely quoted as a source against Bush. I know this is an affiliate and not Fox News Channel, but I had to chuckle when I read that.

As to the heresay... When I lived in DC, a close friend of mine was a producer for NBC's Today show in their DC office. She had a lot of interesting anecdotes she'd tell us about, most of which were hilarious. Some of the more unbelievable ones were just that...completely unbelievable. She'd hear reports of something happening, often from other reporters or staff as the story made its rounds. But she'd been there when those 'somethings' happened and typically the more 'damaging' it was to someone's moral character, the further it was from the truth.

Just my $.02.
-C.

[Gravitymaster 0]

I bet you GWB could kick Bidens ass.

You should do some reading about LBJ, Eisenhower, Nixon and Clinton. Seems they all had somewhat of a temper.

Dick Morris tells a story of Clinton tackling him and the two of them wrestling around on the floor in the White House.

[rehmwa 2]

I'm not surprised that politicians are passionate about issues.

How is it bullying when both guys are at grips? Maybe if only one was.

I'd bet a few people on this forum have been in the faces of other people - half of the more immature of them actually strut and brag about it on these forums.

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[Jib 0]

I guess even at Fox, journalists lack any integrity. Off the record means that I am telling you something in confidence, not for dissemination. If people in the press could shut the fuck up, we'd have bin Laden (satelite phone tracking).

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[PhillyKev 0]

Yeah, ok. Off the record means, don't include it in your interview. If you don't want people to know something, then don't tell them.

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If people in the press could shut the fuck up, we'd have bin Laden (satelite phone tracking).

If Bush and Rumsfeld would have sent more than 11,000 troops to Afghanistan 2 months after 9/11 we'd have had him, too.

[FallRate 0]

Kevin, are you suffering from a hemorrhoidal flare-up or something of the sort? You seem awfully cantankerous today.

FallRate

[PhillyKev 0]

Yeah, a big festering roid that I like to call Georgie.

[billvon 3,111]

>It sounds like it might be exaggerated a bit.

Yeah. Next thing you know, someone will claim that Bush or Cheney told a senator to go fuck themselves.

[pajarito 0]

...Is there a point?...

[tunaplanet 0]

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this sounds like a "fish story." It sounds like it might be exaggerated a bit.

Of course it is. I had a friend that claimed he saw Bigfoot once. Doesn't mean it's true.

The story is fictional.

Forty-two

[crwtom 0]

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...Is there a point?...

It's called self-control -- not losing it in a moment of pressure.
Would be a nice thing if a commander in chief (or his vice) had
at least a minimal amount of that quality (since this is kind-of expected
from a few other subordinate officers). Those adolescent compulsive
outbreaks are not too encouraging though.

Cheers, T

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I had a friend that claimed he saw Bigfoot once. Doesn't mean it's true.

The story is fictional.

How do you know the story is fictional?

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[Dagny 0]

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Thought that was an interesting story about the high and mighty strong moral character of our President.

Disregarding the questionable validity of the story, I have to wonder how Bush's inflamed response serves as a measure of his morality? I hardly think Biden was physically intimidated by Bush, especially considering that he reports responding similarly. It seems to me that it wasn't a threatening gesture. So, at the most, I would say his foray was unbefitting the position of president, but hardly a moral deviation.

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[PhillyKev 0]

I personally make the moral choice not to put my hands on someone or threaten them physically except to defend myself from someone who comes at me first. And I'm not even claiming to be compassionate or a christian.