Bush the bully....

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Not to get bogged down in semantic word play, but perhaps you are implying that Bush's ethics are questionable, rather than his morals.

Either way, if the story is true and not exxagerated (as I think is possible), I just don't see this as being a huge black mark on the president. Seems like two men incited each other to the point that they both became inflamed and deadlocked on support of an issue. Neither man injured the other or damaged the other physically or emotionally. I find it very similar to and about as newsworthy as the squabbling that occurs in speakers corner.

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How do you know the story is fictional?

How do you know it is true?

I believe that Biden would be very willing to tell the story himself if it were true. He is a dedicated liberal that would love to see the pres lose the election. Are we to believe that he is keeping this incident a secret because he is being nice to the pres?

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How do you know the story is fictional?

How do you know it is true?

I don't. For that reason I have not claimed it to be true or fictional.

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I believe that Biden would be very willing to tell the story himself if it were true.

Cool. You're entitled to believe whatever you want.

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How do you know the story is fictional?

We don't know for sure that there aren't UFO's that come down in rural farm towns in the middle of the night, kidnap Billy Bob, take him away to another galaxy, perform advanced brain tests and return him back to earth where he lives the rest of his life picking corn...but we can all pretty much assume it's not true.

You can use that muscle located in the aft region of your head to come to logical conclusions. It's fairly simple to do.

Flaming liberal + 3rd party story from a friend of a friend of a friend + opportunity to Bash a republican (especially the POTUS) = Probable bullshit story.

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Of course it's a fake story. After all, it didn't come from tunaplanet with the ubiquitous "Period." at the end of the post proving it's validity.

EDIT to add....if you're going to try and insult me, calling me a liberal isn't going to do it.

A political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of man, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties.

And speaking of bashing, have you ever posted anything that was bashing someone else, particular other board members?

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We don't know for sure that there aren't UFO's that come down in rural farm towns in the middle of the night, kidnap Billy Bob, take him away to another galaxy, perform advanced brain tests and return him back to earth where he lives the rest of his life picking corn...but we can all pretty much assume it's not true.

Talk about blind faith. You equate the probability of Bush losing his temper to that of space aliens abducting and experimenting on rednecks?

People are fallible and power corrupts. It seems entirely plausible that Bush could throw a temper tantrum if someone wouldn't give him what he wants.

Blues,
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"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
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We don't know for sure that there aren't UFO's that come down in rural farm towns in the middle of the night, kidnap Billy Bob, take him away to another galaxy, perform advanced brain tests and return him back to earth where he lives the rest of his life picking corn...but we can all pretty much assume it's not true.

Talk about blind faith. You equate the probability of Bush losing his temper to that of space aliens abducting and experimenting on rednecks?

People are fallible and power corrupts. It seems entirely plausible that Bush could throw a temper tantrum if someone wouldn't give him what he wants.

Blues,
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It was only a week ago that the VP told a Senator to perform sexual activity on himself. What's with these guys? Are they losing it?

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And speaking of bashing, have you ever posted anything that was bashing someone else, particular other board members?

#1. Wasn't bashing nor insulting you by calling you a flaming liberal. Flaming liberals in my book are those who agree blindly with the democrats on every debate. Haven't seen you defend Bush in an argument on these boards yet. That is a flaming liberal. Not an insult what-so-ever. Try and not to be so sensitive.

#2. Thought you weren't going to respond to me anymore. I swear I recall a post stating something to the effect of, "this is the last time I will respond to you," or something like that. If you flip-flop again we'll be forced to dub you with the nickname, "Kerry."

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Phillykerry??? God help us all.

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Kev, are you saying that you believe this story is a wholly true accounting of actual events? On the say so of one person who was not there? You get the story third-hand and report it as though -- correct me if I'm wrong -- you are confident that Bush did exactly as described.

I'm skeptical, as I think anyone who is responsible should be, when such an outrageous claim is made.

Why would Biden not wish to let more people know than one reporter who was told the story "off-the-record"? Establishing that Bush is this temperamental would do wonders for Kerry's chances, right?

Why did you reporter go and blab about something that an interviewee said off the record? That doesn't seem very responsible nor very professional of her.

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Yes, I'm relating a story, I didn't make any false claims about it's legitimacy, I told you exactly what the sources were.

I believe the story is true and I'm drawing a conlustion from it. I'm just not going to try and claim to you all that I was a personal witness to the events. Would you rather I tell you that I was in the oval office and witnessed the events?

You didn't make any claims about its legitimacy or validity, and you have nothing more to go on regarding proving its truth than we do, but you believe it's true. Interesting. You don't have much in the way of a threshold of proof before you go believing something, do you? It just has to be in line with your preexisting opinion about someone? And hearsay compounded on hearsay becomes believable, credible testimony? Pshah.

What I'd rather you do is not post something completely unverifiable and then try to distance yourself from any implication that it's true and should be believed.

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I bet you GWB could kick Bidens ass.

You should do some reading about LBJ, Eisenhower, Nixon and Clinton. Seems they all had somewhat of a temper.

Dick Morris tells a story of Clinton tackling him and the two of them wrestling around on the floor in the White House.

A reporter I know for the Washington Post said that Dick Morris (off the record, of course) told her that he really howled when Clinton slipped it in. Apparently up til that time Morris had been an anal virgin.



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I had a friend that claimed he saw Bigfoot once. Doesn't mean it's true.

The story is fictional.

How do you know the story is fictional?

Should we believe it is true until proved otherwise?
At this point, the story has been claimed, but not supported with a shred of evidence besides an unethical reporter's blabbing about off-the-record comments. Is it more sensible to say it might be true but is false until proven, or might be false but is true until disproven?

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I had a friend that claimed he saw Bigfoot once. Doesn't mean it's true.

The story is fictional.

How do you know the story is fictional?

Should we believe it is true until proved otherwise?
At this point, the story has been claimed, but not supported with a shred of evidence besides an unethical reporter's blabbing about off-the-record comments. Is it more sensible to say it might be true but is false until proven, or might be false but is true until disproven?

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Burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Asking for verification before believing it is the smart thing to do.

If more people did that before posting crap all over the net, Snopes would be out of business.

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It was only a week ago that the VP told a Senator to perform sexual activity on himself. What's with these guys? Are they losing it?

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Never mind, I re-read and I supposeit is third hand but...

If your read the book about Karl Rove (Bush's Brain) there are accounts that make this plausible. The sad thing is that GWB is not really the problem. Rove and his picture of the Republican party backed up by Ashcroft, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest is the real problem.

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Never mind, I re-read and I supposeit is third hand but...

If your read the book about Karl Rove (Bush's Brain) there are accounts that make this plausible. The sad thing is that GWB is not really the problem. Rove and his picture of the Republican party backed up by Ashcroft, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest is the real problem.

Look, the fact that GWB owns a pair of heavy boots makes it "plausible" that he stomped a hooker to death in an alley in Houston. Does "plausible" mean that something ought to be believed??

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No it means it is not unreasonable to believe it.

If I were to bring forward proof that a republican had committed a heinous crime would you automatically refute it because a republican could not possibly have done it? I don't mind having reasonable discussions with people but you are a trial. For crying out loud Ron, Kennedy and I found some common ground.

"Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening."
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And the nominations for Troll Of The Year...

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Trolls don't usually stick around to participate in the battle.

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Haven't seen you defend Bush in an argument on these boards yet.

Look harder, I have several times on several issues as well as criticizing Kerry and Clinton. You're the one who is blindly making accusations that I'm a democrat based on not liking Bush.

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Thought you weren't going to respond to me anymore. I swear I recall a post stating something to the effect of, "this is the last time I will respond to you," or something like that.

That's true, I did say that. Because you are one of the two people on here who cannot have a rational discussion about anything and appear to post for the sole purpose of insulting other people and treating them as if they are inferior to you. You have never said anything constructive, you whine about everyone elses opinions never offering your own, just bashing whatever anyone else says. Once again, I'm not going to respond to you anymore. You suckered me in this time. Your little troll worked, happy now?

By the way, didn't you post something about not posting in speaker's corner anymore? Maybe we should call you Tunakerry.

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I believe the story is true. I believe 100% that the person who told it to my got it directly from Biden. She is a trustworthy honest person. I believe that most probably the story that Biden told her is true based on anecdotal information about similar incidents and activities of GWB.

If you don't believe it, feel free. Vote for Bush, you get what you deserve.

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By the way, didn't you post something about not posting in speaker's corner anymore?

Negative. Look harder.

Interesting. When you are in a losing debate you run with the, "I'm not talking to you anymore. You're not rational, blah blah blah." It's an old and tired tactic used by many in political as well as non political debates.

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No it means it is not unreasonable to believe it.

If I were to bring forward proof that a republican had committed a heinous crime would you automatically refute it because a republican could not possibly have done it? I don't mind having reasonable discussions with people but you are a trial. For crying out loud Ron, Kennedy and I found some common ground.

Why is it mandatory that I share common ground with you just because others did?

Regarding your example, no, this has nothing to do with "a Republican would never have done that." Someone already pointed out the confluence of factors regarding the source, nature, and possible motivation for this story about Bush, and each of those means an additional reason to be skeptical of the story before swallowing it hook, line and sinker. What I'm saying is that plausible does not mean "should be believed until proved otherwise." But it looks as though people are doing exactly that.

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I believe the story is true. I believe 100% that the person who told it to my got it directly from Biden. She is a trustworthy honest person. I believe that most probably the story that Biden told her is true based on anecdotal information about similar incidents and activities of GWB.

If you don't believe it, feel free. Vote for Bush, you get what you deserve.

So trustworthy that she blabbed to you a story that was told to her off the record.

Oooh, now it's punishment to vote for Bush! You wouldn't happen to be one of those liberals who wants the country to fail miserably just because it's not being led by your preferred lying scumbag, but our preferred lying scumbag, would you? I mean, it seems that from 2000 til today, all the Liberals have done is pray for economic, social, and political disaster for our country just because they're so psychotically bitter about losing the 2000 election.
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