skydivexxl 0 #26 July 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe price will be thousands of american lives. In the end, that matters a lot more than the money. What price would you put on the life of a child of yours? So you prefer to look the other way. If we did that, how many more Jews would have been slaughtered during the holocaust? As for the American lives lost, they were volunteer soldiers who knew the risk and were willing to take it to save lives. 53% OF Iraqis want the US OUT of Iraq. Liberators... I think not! Blog Clicky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #27 July 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe price will be thousands of american lives. In the end, that matters a lot more than the money. What price would you put on the life of a child of yours? So you prefer to look the other way. If we did that, how many more Jews would have been slaughtered during the holocaust? As for the American lives lost, they were volunteer soldiers who knew the risk and were willing to take it to save lives. We would save a lot more lives by investing 10% of the cost of Bush and Blair's Iraq folly in AIDS help to sub-Saharan Africa, and in addition NONE of our boys would have to be killed or injured. The humanitarian "justification" for Bush's war is totally bogus, but it's all they have left since the WMD and Al Quaeda falsehoods have been exposed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #28 July 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteHappy now? Ecstatic. The only saving graces of any of the articles listed is that they quoted their sources. I wouldn't have thought Serbia to be more expensive... it's a lot smaller and we didn't have to do too much other than launch missiles. Good, lets move on. Halliburton is a capable contractor. No-one objects if Halliburton is awarded government contracts in a manner seen to be fair and legal. The problem is when it gets no-bid contracts from an administration with clear ties to the company (Cheney). To the best of my knowledge, no one in the Clinton administration had ties to Halliburton whren it was awarded contracts in Serbia. The "article" misses the point entirely.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #29 July 15, 2004 Quotemore freeking democratic bullshit! Instead of making intelligent remarks like that, why not tell us the source of your numbers? Congress has already appropriated over $200B for Iraq, so where does your $87B number come from? The truth will set you free.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #30 July 15, 2004 By the way, this rant is all over the internet on neo-conservative web sites, such as www.thejpshow.com/ www.knifeforums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=429165&Main=426998 So who did you plagiarize it from?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #31 July 15, 2004 Quote So what price would you put on removing a dictator who for 30 years murdered, tortured, raped and robbed countless numbers of his own citizens and had no plan on stopping? Umm.. less than the price of supporting him for 19 of those years and supplying him with the weaponry he used to gas his own people? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #32 July 15, 2004 QuoteSo you prefer to look the other way. If we did that, how many more Jews would have been slaughtered during the holocaust? Bull shit, another revision of history. America didn't care about the jews until the Japanese embarrassed you in your own back yard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #33 July 15, 2004 Quote No mass graves found in Serbia - good... No WMD found Iraq - bad. The reason mass graves weren't found in Serbia is that Milosevic's ethnic cleansing happened in Kosovo, Bosnia and Croatia. Mass graves were found in each of those places.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #34 July 15, 2004 QuoteBull shit, another revision of history. America didn't care about the jews until the Japanese embarrassed you in your own back yard. So which is it? Do you want us to care about others, or only our own interests? And why would those positions be in conflict anyway? And again - a violent attack on home soil isn't an "embarassment" - it's a 'violent attack'. Do you really think Pearl Harbor was funny? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #35 July 15, 2004 I may be assuming something here, but I think Justin was refering to the Japanese relocation camps set up in the California desert to hold potential threats to the United States. This was thanks to Executive Order 9066. Over 110,000 people were relocated thanks to that order. Were there really 110,000+ potential threats?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #36 July 15, 2004 I was thinking he's talking about the attack on Pearl Harbor since that was the final push to join the Allies for the US. Maybe we'll find out. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #37 July 15, 2004 QuoteSo which is it? Do you want us to care about others, or only our own interests? And why would those positions be in conflict anyway? And again - a violent attack on home soil isn't an "embarassment" - it's a 'violent attack'. Do you really think Pearl Harbor was funny? I think the attack on Pearl Harbor was somewhat of an embarrassement to America. Obviously it wasn't funny, not sure where you got that. I think it is great that powerful countries try and look out for the less fortunate in the world. What I don't particularly agree with is all these people claiming the US went to war to help the jews and save the poor people in Europe, because eventhough it makes you all warm and tingly inside, it isn't quite the whole truth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #38 July 15, 2004 QuoteI may be assuming something here, but I think Justin was refering to the Japanese relocation camps set up in the California desert to hold potential threats to the United States. This was thanks to Executive Order 9066. Over 110,000 people were relocated thanks to that order. Were there really 110,000+ potential threats? Not exactly what I was refering to, but at least the US learned from that little debacle and is no longer keeping people in similar situations on the US main land. Less messy that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #39 July 15, 2004 QuoteSo what price would you put on removing a dictator who for 30 years murdered, tortured, raped and robbed countless numbers of his own citizens and had no plan on stopping? As far as I know, the US has no plans to do anything about China. What's your point? _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #40 July 15, 2004 QuoteAs far as I know, the US has no plans to do anything about China. What's your point? You must obviously be on of those fuckin' democrats, cause that is just a clueless statement, everybody knows that situation is different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #41 July 15, 2004 QuoteUS went to war to help the jews and save the poor people in Europe, because eventhough it makes you all warm and tingly inside, it isn't quite the whole truth. You're right, that is not why the US went to war in Europe... Hitler declared war on the US right after PH... had he not done that, the US may have been satisfied with only fighting Japan...at least for a few more years... And the US did not really know about the consentration camps until they came across them while pushing into Germany. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #42 July 15, 2004 QuoteAnd the US did not really know about the consentration camps until they came across them while pushing into Germany. That's funny, because all of Europe knew about them well before that time. Guess the intelligence community had some flaws in those days too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #43 July 15, 2004 We really didn't have an intellignece community in those days, at leat not in today's sense... we were quite the isolationists then. It was all through diplomatic channels.All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #44 July 15, 2004 QuoteWe really didn't have an intellignece community in those days, at leat not in today's sense... we were quite the isolationists then. It was all through diplomatic channels. And I am sure that all the diplomatic calls for help never mentioned the systematic genocide that was taking place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #45 July 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteSubject: Confusing..... ..... Ah, it's so confusing! So true, yet so sad. Your idea of truth is apparently different from mine. Can you show me one reliable source for the war cost figures in the rant? Can you show me where any mainstream outlet of any political persuasion claimed that it is "good" that Milosevic hasn;t yet been convicted? Can you show me where any mainstream outlet of any political persuasion claimed that it is "bad" that Saddam is in custody? Can you show me where any mainstream outlet of any political persuasion claimed that there were mass graves in Serbia, as opposed to Bosnia, Kosovo and Croatia? Can you explain how Serbia was Clinton's war, when the US was fulfilling its obligations to NATO? and for bonus points, Can you explain how there was a record surplus at the end of Clinton's administration and a record deficit 3.5 years into Bush's?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #46 July 15, 2004 QuoteCan you explain how Serbia was Clinton's war, when the US was fulfilling its obligations to NATO? Easy...because everything is about Clinton. Haven't you been paying attention? QuoteCan you explain how there was a record surplus at the end of Clinton's administration and a record deficit 3.5 years into Bush's? Deficits are good for the economy, haven't you read your Voodoo economics 101 book lately? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #47 July 15, 2004 I just think it's kinda funny. The title for this Post is Bush/Cary (sic) 1) You probably meant to type Kerry 2) You post mentions Bush and Clinton. Last time I looked, Bill and John were not the same person. What is with all the GOP fanatics that can't seem to seperate the person from the party. Every D is not Bill Clinton Every R is not Reagan. Bill Clinton is no longer in office. Is not running for office this year *(or ever, most likely)illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #48 July 15, 2004 Quotewe were quite the isolationists then. Check your history books, we were anything but isolationist.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #49 July 15, 2004 QuoteYou're right, that is not why the US went to war in Europe... Hitler declared war on the US right after PH... had he not done that, the US may have been satisfied with only fighting Japan...at least for a few more years... We couldn't have defeated Japan on our own. One of the main reasons we joined the fight in Europe was to obtain allies for the pacific war. Quotend the US did not really know about the consentration camps until they came across them while pushing into Germany. The general public may not have know the extent of the horrors, but the concentration camps were known about well before we joined the war. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #50 July 15, 2004 QuoteGood, lets move on. Halliburton is a capable contractor. No-one objects if Halliburton is awarded government contracts in a manner seen to be fair and legal. The problem is when it gets no-bid contracts from an administration with clear ties to the company (Cheney). To the best of my knowledge, no one in the Clinton administration had ties to Halliburton whren it was awarded contracts in Serbia. The "article" misses the point entirely. So it's okay to give that no-bid to Halliburton, as long as Bush wasn't in office? I don't suppose giving the job to the best people matters. It always has been silly about the outrage over the Halliburton stuff.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
