tandembrent 0 #76 July 16, 2004 an H&K 94, and an M-4~~~~Green grass and high clouds forever~~~~ no matter where you go, there you are! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #77 July 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteIf your comments were meant to be tongue-in-cheek, where was the appropriate emoticon? - Dont live for the smilies Jeff. They aint always there. It's just that if someone wants an inflammatory post to be taken as a tongue-in-cheek joke, it behooves him to make that clear. Yes? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #78 July 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf your comments were meant to be tongue-in-cheek, where was the appropriate emoticon? - Dont live for the smilies Jeff. They aint always there. It's just that if someone wants an inflammatory post to be taken as a tongue-in-cheek joke, it behooves him to make that clear. Yes? - There is a difference between "inflammatory" and "humorous/sarcastic". And quite frankly, I did not know there was a "Smiley Code". Sounds kind of silly, to be honest.Truth be told, I don't preface every joke or lighthearted jibe with "the following is a joke". Or follow it with a wink. Unless I am talking to a pretty girl. I will spare you the "Chill out, dude!". Edited (as usual) for spelling."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #79 July 16, 2004 QuoteAs previously stated . . . unless they break the forum's rules, no one's voice is going to be kept out of -any- thread including this one. Jeffrey -- he's entitled to his opinion and entitled to voice it. It's the price you pay for being able to do the same. Yes, I understand that. But am I out of line to point out to someone that they have declined to be courteous? That's again, my opinion and I'm entitled to express that I feel a person should have observed and honored a simple and reasonable request. I'm not saying that people are obligated to be courteous; just saying that it'd be nice if they volunteered to be. Of course, out of spite, I'll probably have a lot of clickies thrown at me to prove I've been discourteous in the past. You know, because everyone's got something to prove. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #80 July 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt's just that if someone wants an inflammatory post to be taken as a tongue-in-cheek joke, it behooves him to make that clear. Yes? There is a difference between "inflammatory" and "humorous/sarcastic". And quite frankly, I did not know there was a "Smiley Code". Sounds kind of idiotic, to tell the truth. I will spare you the "Chill out, dude!". Are you saying that your penis-size comment -- which, absent a "" or a smiley of some sort to indicate it was a JOKE, is easy to take as serious -- was meant to be a sarcastic "this-is-what-an-anti-gun-person-would-say" joke? It's the opposite of your actual stance and belief? What would be the harm in making that a little clearer next time? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #81 July 16, 2004 Will the HK-94 be available again? FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #82 July 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's just that if someone wants an inflammatory post to be taken as a tongue-in-cheek joke, it behooves him to make that clear. Yes? There is a difference between "inflammatory" and "humorous/sarcastic". And quite frankly, I did not know there was a "Smiley Code". Sounds kind of idiotic, to tell the truth. I will spare you the "Chill out, dude!". Are you saying that your penis-size comment -- which, absent a "" or a smiley of some sort to indicate it was a JOKE, is easy to take as serious -- was meant to be a sarcastic "this-is-what-an-anti-gun-person-would-say" joke? It's the opposite of your actual stance and belief? What would be the harm in making that a little clearer next time? - I think you are missing my point. So, if I said to you in the context of conversation "You have a small penis", you would take it serious and freak out? I know I wouldn't. I would assume it was a joke, or some kind of hyperbole and react accordingly, not immediately get defensive. That is all I am trying to say. Do I think that some people overcompensate for (real or imagined) inadequacies through guns, monster trucks, bling jewelry, etc.? Yes, I do. Do I think everyone is doing that? No, I don't. But it IS a well-worn cliche, therefore fodder for sarcastic remarks. Jeffrey, are not as militant and forceful (not that it is necessarily a bad thing) in their way of expressing their beliefs as you are. It's not ALWAYS an attack. I guess I'll have to make that clear next time."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #83 July 16, 2004 QuoteI guess I'll have to make that clear next time. This is America -- you don't have to do it... --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #84 July 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteI guess I'll have to make that clear next time. This is America -- you don't have to do it... - All right, I laughed out loud. Touche'."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burbleflyer 0 #85 July 16, 2004 QuoteWill the HK-94 be available again? FallRate HK couldnt give a shit about the civilian market here so no, it wont. They are after Colts M4 market with their M4 piston upper and they have no plans to release it to the peons like us. I wouldnt wipe my ass with HK toilet paper. Of course, if you want a piston driven AR upper the Kurts Kustom Firearms of Fl is where to look. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #86 July 16, 2004 QuoteOf course, if you want a piston driven AR upper the Kurts Kustom Firearms of Fl is where to look. Could you explain what is meant by "piston-driven upper"? Are you saying an AR that is not gas-operated? I am not sure whatdifferentiates the "upper receiver" from the "lower receiver" on an AR -- and mine is not in front of me to look at. Could you explain that? And if you have time... how the hell does a rifle fire from an "open bolt"?? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #87 July 16, 2004 HK makes toilet paper!? I bet it's pricey! FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #88 July 16, 2004 QuoteHK makes toilet paper!? I bet it's pricey! FallRate But it does have that cool red/orange HK logo, as opposed to the stick figure "G" on my Glock toilet paper...."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #89 July 16, 2004 At least you don't use the democrats' toilet paper...witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #90 July 16, 2004 Um . . . you might wanna take a look at the rights that the Republicans currently in charge have taken away.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #91 July 16, 2004 Ummm, it started as a "what gun are you going to buy to overcompensate for your insecurities" (JUST KIDDING JEFFREY) thread and has wandered to "the Constitution as toilet paper"... Ahhhhhhhhh, Speaker's Corner..."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #92 July 16, 2004 Well, this is understandable when you consider that some folks, particularly in the pro-gun lobby and PACs, think that any restriction whatsoever on guns is a total blasphemy with regards to the U.S. Constitution. So, it was to be expected. I don't exactly buy into their reasoning and I believe there are -far- more serious things to worry about, but it's their opinion and they're entitled to it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burbleflyer 0 #93 July 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteOf course, if you want a piston driven AR upper the Kurts Kustom Firearms of Fl is where to look. Could you explain what is meant by "piston-driven upper"? Are you saying an AR that is not gas-operated? I am not sure whatdifferentiates the "upper receiver" from the "lower receiver" on an AR -- and mine is not in front of me to look at. Could you explain that? And if you have time... how the hell does a rifle fire from an "open bolt"?? - NO. An AR is a gas operated rifle as are most semi autos. The difference is that most semi autos and machine guns and assault rifles use a piston to operate the bolt/carrier where the AR does not. The Stoner system uses a gas tube to operate the bolt/carrier which by design deposits the dirty gas in the action. It shits where it eats so to speak. Simply, with a piston driven system, the gas thats taken from the end of the barrel operates a piston near the gas port and the piston operates the bolt way back in the receiver. The AR system uses a tube to carry the gas back to the receiver to act directly on the bolt/carrier. Operating from an open bolt is a little harder for me to explain because I'm not a sub-gun guy but I'll try. I just know you cant have semi-subguns that operate from an open bolt but here goes. First let me say subguns are usually operated by blowback or recoil. On your AR when you are shooting if you stop shooting the bolt is closed and the hammer is back. On most subguns when you stop shooting the bolt is back, chamber empty and hammer back. When you pull the trigger on an open bolt gun the bolt travels forward and strips a round, loads the chamber and trips the hammer. On a closed bolt gun the chamber is loaded and the trigger just trips the hammer. I dont know why this is or why ATF looks at open bolt semis as bad it just is. I am at the edges of my knowledge here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burbleflyer 0 #94 July 16, 2004 You need to get to know your rifle. The AR rifle is a modular rifle. It splits in half very easily by design with two push pins. The top half is the upper receiver, the bottom half is the lower. You can swap uppers from one rifle to another in seconds. You could swap a flat top with a A2 or anything else and believe me "anything else" covers a lot of ground including calibers. For legal purposes, the lower is the "gun". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #95 July 16, 2004 QuoteWell, this is understandable when you consider that some folks, particularly in the pro-gun lobby and PACs, think that any restriction whatsoever on guns is a total blasphemy with regards to the U.S. Constitution. You trying to say it's not?! -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #96 July 16, 2004 I think his point was that only one half is referred to as the receiver.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #97 July 16, 2004 QuoteYou need to get to know your rifle. The AR rifle is a modular rifle. It splits in half very easily by design with two push pins. The top half is the upper receiver, the bottom half is the lower. You can swap uppers from one rifle to another in seconds. You could swap a flat top with a A2 or anything else and believe me "anything else" covers a lot of ground including calibers. For legal purposes, the lower is the "gun". Oh oh oh I remember now. Back 7 years ago (the last time I lived near a range where I could fire my AR-15) I was pretty good (for a self-taught civilian) at taking down and cleaning my rifle. In about half an hour I could probably be just as good as I was 7 years ago. I seem to recall, though, an admonition to NOT swap parts between rifles, as this could be dangerous. Am I imagining that I remember reading that in the manual? (I have two manuals -- one for the Colt HBAR I have and one for the actual M-16, but they're almost interchangeable.) As I recall that thing was a LOT of fun to fire, and so gentle, too! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #98 July 16, 2004 Quote You trying to say it's not?! Correct. Give the man a cigar! I see nothing wrong with limiting certain guns. We can banter all day about which ones should or should not be in the hands of the average citizen all day, but I think even you would agree that the Second Amendment does not refer to -all- weapons. If it does not refer to -all- weapons, then clearly -some- restrictions -are- allowable. Then again, I thought you knew that.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #99 July 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteWell, this is understandable when you consider that some folks, particularly in the pro-gun lobby and PACs, think that any restriction whatsoever on guns is a total blasphemy with regards to the U.S. Constitution. You trying to say it's not?! Does the Second Amendment say "the right of the people to keep and bear ALL TYPES OF arms shall not be infringed?" I'm pretty sure not. I am not saying that makes the case for the ban (which quite frankly I think is based on a pretty arbritrary set of standards); I just do not think that it is a powerful enough justification for the argument. By that rationale, you should also be allowed to have a guided nuclear tipped missle. Is the fact that you can't also a "total blasphemy with regards to the U.S. Constitution"? Or how about just a grenade launcher?"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #100 July 16, 2004 QuoteDoes the Second Amendment say "the right of the people to keep and bear ALL TYPES OF arms shall not be infringed?" I'm pretty sure not. There you go, taking me seriously despite my But in answer, no, it does not say that, because if you do not limit "arms," with a word like "small" or "personal" or "fire-" or "repeating," you DO mean ALL ARMS. If someone brought a "fire-arm" to you, you'd have to say, "It's an 'arm.' " If he brought a "repeating arm" to you, you'd have to say, "It's an 'arm.' " If he brought a "small-arm" to you, you'd have to say, "It's an 'arm.' " Do you get it? You don't sound very pro-gun... You seem argumentative against gun rights and an individual interpretation of the Second Amendment right. What's the story? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
