Big-time Democrat fundraiser caught up in prostitution extortion

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No it was not about an affair it was about taking his wife to sex clubs and wanting her to have sex with him in front of other people.

I am not defending the fund raising thing just pointing out, as others have said, neither major party can easily claim moral high ground if you look at the actions of individuals in the parties.

Stop trying to read to much in to what people say.

I'll repeat what I started the thread with: "And this is the party that supposedly champions campaign finance reform to get the money out of politics?!"

What kind of claim to legitimacy do the Democrats have to be the party of getting the money out of politics when it is shown, over and over, that they accept PLENTY of dirty money?!

No, you're not defending the fundraising thing -- instead, you're trying to use a smokescreen by bringing up the irrelevant issue of Ryan's sexual misadventures and messy divorce. WTF do they have to do with the scumbaggery I pointed out the Democrats are up to financially?

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-Jeffrey
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I'm just sick of hearing the fuckin' Dems pushing suppression of the First Amendment as a means of "campaign finance reform" even at the same time they're taking illegal fuckin' donations and trying to convince the country that it's strictly a Republican thing to have big money contribute to political campaigns. If they're gonna do the exact same things, they need to shut the fuck up about criticizing the Republicans for it.

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-Jeffrey
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C.S. Lewis described it this way. He said there are two ways in which we go wrong.

Wasn't C.S. Lewis a pedophile??

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Wasn't C.S. Lewis a pedophile??

Huhh...? I'm pretty sure not.

From my book:
Clive Staples Lewis (1898-1963) was one of the intellectual giants of the twentieth century and arguably the most influential Christian writer of his day. He was a Fellow and Tutor in English literature at Oxford University until 1954 when he was unanimously elected to the Chair of Medieval and Renaissance English at Cambridge University, a position he held until his retirement. His major contribution in literary criticism, children's literature, fantasy literature, and popular theology brought him international renown and acclaim. He wrote more than thirty books, allowing him to reach a vast audience, and his works continue to attract thousands of new readers every year. His most distinguished and popular accomplishments include The Chronicles of Narnia, Out of the Silent Planet, The Four Loves, The Screw-tape Letters, and Mere Christianity.

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LOL I don't think "Depraved Pedophile" is gonna be found in the jacket notes in his own book!!

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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LOL I don't think "Depraved Pedophile" is gonna be found in the jacket notes in his own book!!

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Got proof?

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WTF proof do I need?!

"Proof" that I ASKED[/I] 'Wasn't he a pedophile?' "

I ASKED if he was, because I could have sworn that I had heard that accusation slung around.

Go do a Google search of "C.S. Lewis Pedophile" and a LOT of shit comes up -- I didn't have time to look at much of it, though.

Another thing that came up is that he is said to be a huge "apologist for Christianity" -- is that why you are so eager to go to bat for him?

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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So I looked and it is amazing how many hits that brings back but the only thread accusing him of it is here and it indicats that it was Lewis Carroll. They were unsure if C.S. Lewis's sexuality.

"Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening."
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WTF proof do I need?!

"Proof" that I ASKED[/I] 'Wasn't he a pedophile?' "

I ASKED if he was, because I could have sworn that I had heard that accusation slung around.

Go do a Google search of "C.S. Lewis Pedophile" and a LOT of shit comes up -- I didn't have time to look at much of it, though.

Another thing that came up is that he is said to be a huge "apologist for Christianity" -- is that why you are so eager to go to bat for him?

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He's spoken about pedophilia. That doesn't make him one. If you just want to do a play on words with me, I guess my answer to your question, "Wasn't C.S. Lewis a pedophile??", is no. He is, in fact, a much respected Christian apologist among other things. I like his writings. That's why I go to bat for him. "Slinging" baseless accusations around is wrong.

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I'll repeat what I started the thread with: "And this is the party that supposedly champions campaign finance reform to get the money out of politics?!"

What kind of claim to legitimacy do the Democrats have to be the party of getting the money out of politics when it is shown, over and over, that they accept PLENTY of dirty money?!

No, you're not defending the fundraising thing -- instead, you're trying to use a smokescreen by bringing up the irrelevant issue of Ryan's sexual misadventures and messy divorce. WTF do they have to do with the scumbaggery I pointed out the Democrats are up to financially?

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What I was responding to was this quote from your original post.

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Either way, it's pathetic that they would ever try to claim moral high ground about anything.

All I was saying is that NEITHER party can claim moral high ground. Assuming this report is true it is bad. I have no reason to believe it isn't true.

But if you really want to see that the shoe fits on both feet then go here

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AUSTIN, Texas — Authorities are conducting a criminal investigation into whether corporate money, including hundreds of thousands of dollars linked to U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, improperly financed the Republican Party's takeover of the Texas Capitol.

The probe is focused on several political and fundraising organizations run by Republican activists, investigators said. One of the organizations, the political action committee Texans for a Republican Majority, has direct ties to DeLay, a Texas Republican and one of the most powerful politicians in Washington.

At issue is whether the organizations improperly used corporate contributions to help finance the campaigns of more than 20 Republican candidates for the Texas House of Representatives in 2002, according to documents and interviews with prosecutors and government investigators.

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"Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening."
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He's spoken about pedophilia. That doesn't make him one. If you just want to do a play on words with me, I guess my answer to your question, "Wasn't C.S. Lewis a pedophile??", is no. He is, in fact, a much respected Christian apologist among other things. I like his writings. That's why I go to bat for him. "Slinging" baseless accusations around is wrong.

So now, asking whether someone is something is an accusation that they are that thing? Alright, as long as we're clear.

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-Jeffrey
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So now, asking whether someone is something is an accusation that they are that thing? Alright, as long as we're clear.

I guess not if you have some basis for asking in the first place. Many people throw around baseless accusations just because they don't like someone or don't like what they stand for (i.e. I heard Hillary Clinton is really a bitch and is probably a bull dyke lesbian) in an attempt to discredit their character.

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Yes, but what I did was ASK if he was because I really am pretty sure I'd seen the accusation made elsewhere. It was not an accusation, no matter how disingenuously you try to allege that it was.

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-Jeffrey
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Yes, but what I did was ASK if he was because I really am pretty sure I'd seen the accusation made elsewhere. It was not an accusation, no matter how disingenuously you try to allege that it was.

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Ok...but I still say even hinting that C.S. Lewis, of all people, would be involved in pedophilia is preposterous. Not saying you made the accusation. I'm just saying that is a very cruel and completely unfounded attack on his character. You have to wonder about the motives of such an attack. It's very ridiculous. I mean, I could start that kind of rumor in the same fashion about anyone here. I don’t need proof. I just throw it around until public opinion is affected about a person.

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I'm just sick of hearing the fuckin' Dems pushing suppression of the First Amendment as a means of "campaign finance reform" even at the same time they're taking illegal fuckin' donations and trying to convince the country that it's strictly a Republican thing to have big money contribute to political campaigns. If they're gonna do the exact same things, they need to shut the fuck up about criticizing the Republicans for it.

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And I'm sick and tired of Republicans pushing suppression of the First as well as several other amendments as a means of "making us safe from terrorism" at the same time that they claim to be defending freedom and democracy.

So once again, it's on both sides of the fence.

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Ok...but I still say even hinting that C.S. Lewis, of all people, would be involved in pedophilia is preposterous. Not saying you made the accusation. I'm just saying that is a very cruel and completely unfounded attack on his character. You have to wonder about the motives of such an attack. It's very ridiculous. I mean, I could start that kind of rumor in the same fashion about anyone here. I don’t need proof. I just throw it around until public opinion is affected about a person.

Hey, I have heard the same thing. It does not make it true, but I have heard it...

He did nothing wrong in asking it....I doubt he was trying to slander the guy....He was just asking about something that he had heard that would have been very ironic if true...

And to be honest you don't know it it is true or not....You can only GUESS its not true based on what you know of the man.

Your knowlege does not make it false either.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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In the greater scheme of things,it is "chump change" compared to what George Soros is throwing at the dems to force his idea of social order on the US

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Hey, I have heard the same thing. It does not make it true, but I have heard it...

He did nothing wrong in asking it....I doubt he was trying to slander the guy....He was just asking about something that he had heard that would have been very ironic if true...

And to be honest you don't know it it is true or not....You can only GUESS its not true based on what you know of the man.

Your knowlege does not make it false either.

Like I said, though, I could say the same thing about anyone here. You don't know if it is true or not...You can only GUESS it's not true based on what you know of the person. Your knowledge does not make it false either. By the way, you don't think "Peaceful Jeffrey" was trying to slander the guy? Does anyone have credible evidence of the claim?

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Like I said, though, I could say the same thing about anyone here. You don't know if it is true or not...You can only GUESS it's not true based on what you know of the person. Your knowledge does not make it false either. By the way, you don't think "Peaceful Jeffrey" was trying to slander the guy? Does anyone have credible evidence of the claim?

All I am saying is that that claim has been made before...

And no you or I can't prove our side.

I think PJ had some motive behind it, but then again I had a motive bringing it up, and you have a motive defending it....

If we didn't have motives nothing would have been said.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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All I am saying is that that claim has been made before...

And no you or I can't prove our side.

I think PJ had some motive behind it, but then again I had a motive bringing it up, and you have a motive defending it....

If we didn't have motives nothing would have been said.

I know...all I'm saying is that is a very serious claim, rumor, or whatever you want to call it. The reason I'm defending this position is mainly due to the fact that it would literally astound me if it was true. It seems that outrageous to me. I think that, if it has no basis (which I'm very certain that it doesn't), then a rumor such as that shouldn't be perpetuated. Just my opinion. Not trying to get into a heated argument with anyone.

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I know...all I'm saying is that is a very serious claim, rumor, or whatever you want to call it.

True...But is it any different than the rumors that are said on here about Bush/Kerry ect?

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The reason I'm defending this position is mainly due to the fact that it would literally astound me if it was true.

finding out Rock Hudson was guy really astounded my parents...But it was true.

Just cause it seem hard to believe, does not make a rumor less possible.

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It seems that outrageous to me. I think that, if it has no basis (which I'm very certain that it doesn't), then a rumor such as that shouldn't be perpetuated.

You should be careful with such rumors...But I have in fact heard the same rumor before...About CS, and about many other powerful men.

It is the most popular rumor, and a religous icon makes a nice target.

But with all the Catholic scandels....It shows that even "religious" men are not perfect.

Im not saying its true (Heck I don't know, but neither do you). But it is a rumor that is out there.

I'm not trying to start anything. But PJ had a valid question...It may seem outlandish...But it was still valid.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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It probably originated from people doing searches on the internet. I mean, it's all over the place. C.S. Lewis has been consulted on the subject and has spoken out against it and has offered biblical solutions, however, that doesn't make him one. I think people just see his name all over the place with the word pedophilia also in the search engine return text and misassociate his name with it. The only site that was posted earlier by Newsstand that stated Lewis was a pedophile was just an internet forum discussion like this one and the guy even said that he mistaked the name for Lewis Carroll (NOT C.S. Lewis). I've looked pretty hard and can find no evidence whatsoever to support that rumor. I think it's absolutely false.

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I've heard that C.S. Lewis likes to shave off only the back of his head and then run through supermarkets clucking like a chicken while squeezing loafs of bread and thumping cantaloupes. All the while singing "Que Sara, Sara"

Anybody know if this is true?

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It probably originated from people doing searches on the internet. I mean, it's all over the place. C.S. Lewis has been consulted on the subject and has spoken out against it and has offered biblical solutions, however, that doesn't make him one. I think people just see his name all over the place with the word pedophilia also in the search engine return text and misassociate his name with it. The only site that was posted earlier by Newsstand that stated Lewis was a pedophile was just an internet forum discussion like this one and the guy even said that he mistaked the name for Lewis Carroll (NOT C.S. Lewis). I've looked pretty hard and can find no evidence whatsoever to support that rumor. I think it's absolutely false.

I agree its most likey false...And the point is that CS Lewis and him being a Christain Icon makes him a large target for such attacks.

I am pretty sure they are false rumors, but I had heard it before.

PJ had brought it in to ask if it was true...Most likely they are not, but that would be some large bit of irony huh?

It is the same type of stories that make Hitler gay, and that Man was never on the moon....Of that JFK was assasinated by martians.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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I've heard that C.S. Lewis likes to shave off only the back of his head and then run through supermarkets clucking like a chicken while squeezing loafs of bread and thumping cantaloupes. All the while singing "Que Sara, Sara"

Anybody know if this is true?

Hmmmmmmm.......you never know.....could be.....