TheAnvil 0 #1 July 13, 2004 Check out this ass Bond. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/12/naacp.bush/index.html Republicans playing the race card? And these a-holes wonder why GWB won't come and speak to their organization? Not unexpected, but disgusting nonetheless. What a dumbass. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #2 July 13, 2004 What exactly is disgusting about a political activisim group endorsing a candidate other than that it's not your candidate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #3 July 13, 2004 Ahhh...so you admit it's a political action group...and should pay taxes on its political expenditures. Please write your congressman and say so. The lies contained therein are disgusting. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 July 13, 2004 QuoteAhhh...so you admit it's a political action group...and should pay taxes on its political expenditures Yes. EDIT to add: I do agree that they are a political group, however the current law states that they can remain non-profit if they don't endorse a candidate. They didn't endorse a candidate, they bashed Bush, so they technically didn't do anything wrong. I think that's a cheap cop-out though. But there are plenty of right wing organizations doing the same thing. Not fair to single them out and not all the others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #5 July 13, 2004 I don't think any private organization should be tax exempt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #6 July 13, 2004 QuoteAhhh...so you admit it's a political action group...and should pay taxes on its political expenditures. Please write your congressman and say so. The lies contained therein are disgusting. What about churches that do the same thing?Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #7 July 13, 2004 Depends on the legality of it. It is illegal to claim non-PAC status then spend funds for political purposes. Just like the NAACP and NEA get away with doing every year. Do you have a particular church and/or activity in mind or is this just some more mindless bashing of Christians/Jews/Muslims?Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #8 July 13, 2004 QuoteDepends on the legality of it. It is illegal to claim non-PAC status then spend funds for political purposes. Just like the NAACP and NEA get away with doing every year. Do you have a particular church and/or activity in mind or is this just some more mindless bashing of Christians/Jews/Muslims? Nope - this in reference to an NPR show yesterday afternoon that focused on a group of volunteers in Kansas that were going to churches to see if pastors were endorsing candidates. Conservative churches in Kansas are walking a very fine line it would seem. Just trying to apply the brush equally to all. Jump as an addendum - I don't mindlessly bash anyone and don't really appreciate the accusation.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #9 July 13, 2004 It's a free country - appreciate whatever you like. Were they asking the pastors themselves to endorse a candidate based on their beliefs or were they baiting the pastors to state that their church endorsed a candidate? Was the church providing financial support to the candidate out of church funds? Was the church intending to - like several in Arkansas in '00 in support of the DNC - driving voters to the polls and distributing political propaganda enroute? What, exactly, was National Partisan Radio saying/investigating?Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #10 July 13, 2004 QuoteIt's a free country - appreciate whatever you like. true - but it sure does make discussing the issues much nicer and easier to cut to the chase when someone isn't tossing about catch phrases and innuendo. Quote Were they asking the pastors themselves to endorse a candidate based on their beliefs or were they baiting the pastors to state that their church endorsed a candidate? Was the church providing financial support to the candidate out of church funds? Was the church intending to - like several in Arkansas in '00 in support of the DNC - driving voters to the polls and distributing political propaganda enroute? What, exactly, was National Partisan Radio saying/investigating? check it http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=3327057 JumpScars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #11 July 13, 2004 QuoteWhat exactly is disgusting about a political activisim group endorsing a candidate other than that it's not your candidate? I find this disgusting: Mfume calls black conservatives puppets By Steve Miller THE WASHINGTON TIMES PHILADELPHIA — Conservative black organizations are formed and funded by white Republicans, NAACP President Kweisi Mfume said yesterday in an address to a packed ballroom at the group's annual convention here. "When the ultraconservative right-wing attacker has run out of attack strategy," Mr. Mfume said, "he goes and gets someone that looks like you and me to continue the attacks." Paraphrasing a line from a 2002 speech by NAACP Chairman Julian Bond, he said, "And like the ventriloquist's dummies, they sit there in the puppet master's voice, but we can see whose lips are moving, and we can hear his money talk." In a speech punctuated by cheers from the audience, Mr. Mfume said: "They can't deal with the leaders we choose for ourselves, so they manufacture, promote and hire new ones." Organizers of the convention, the 95th annual gathering of the group that boasts of having more than 500,000 members nationally, are focusing on November's election. Some attendees sported buttons supporting Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry and tonight can attend a free screening of Michael Moore's Bush-bashing movie, "Fahrenheit 9/11." Mr. Mfume said that foes of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People tell them that "we are whining, that we are too liberal, that we are using the scapegoat of victimization and that we are even unpatriotic." Mr. Mfume named a list of conservative efforts, including school vouchers, saying that "they want to do away with many of our rights and much of the legacy of the NAACP. ... But those days are over and we aren't going back, so run your little right-wing media. Put a whisper here and an innuendo there. It won't work." Both liberal and conservative activist groups maintain tax-exempt status, although IRS rules prohibit partisan activity. The National Center for Public Policy Research, for example, funds Project 21, a group that promotes conservative views in the black community. The most recent tax forms for the groups, from 2002, show the National Center took in $6.6 million, 81 percent of it from individual donors. "We have received money from people who are Republican, but not from the Republican Party," said David Almasi, who serves as both executive director of the National Center and director of Project 21. "But think about the idea that, at one point, Jesse Jackson was getting some of his travel paid for by the Democratic National Committee." NAACP tax forms for 2002, the last year available, showed revenue of $36 million, with $27 million in donations. Anonymous major contributors gave the NAACP millions in 2001, including one individual who gave $2 million and two who donated $1.2 million each. Mr. Mfume's remarks about black conservatives are "hypocritical," said conservative commentator Armstrong Williams, because "the NAACP could not survive on membership fees; it relies on corporations." "The NAACP should know about funding from big groups, because it is funded by liberal white organizations," Mr. Williams said. "It gets money and backing from the [National Education Association], the AFL-CIO, and look at who is sponsoring its convention." Wal-Mart, Shell Oil, General Motors and American Airlines are among the corporations that have publicly presented checks ranging from $100,000 to $250,000 to the NAACP at past conventions. The marquee event today is the scheduled appearance of Bill Cosby, who has been criticized recently for his candid take on black America. NAACP officials say they have already cautioned the actor-comedian about his remarks at tonight's $75-a-seat event. "I know that it has been an issue, and he has assured us that he will be giving a comedy performance," said an NAACP representative, speaking anonymously. "Of course we have talked to him about it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #12 July 13, 2004 QuoteMfume calls black conservatives puppets That's quite a leap from what you posted. Seems to me he was calling blacks that promte ultraconservative right-wing attacks the puppets. I'm pretty sure that doesn't include ALL black conservatives, or even most of them. Personally, regardless of color, I think all ultraconservative right-wing attackers are puppets, too. As are ultra-liberal left wing attackers. "When the ultraconservative right-wing attacker has run out of attack strategy," Mr. Mfume said, "he goes and gets someone that looks like you and me to continue the attacks." Paraphrasing a line from a 2002 speech by NAACP Chairman Julian Bond, he said, "And like the ventriloquist's dummies, they sit there in the puppet master's voice, but we can see whose lips are moving, and we can hear his money talk." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #13 July 13, 2004 When was the last time you heard the NAACP refer to any Conservative as anything but an ultra-right winger? Thats a little like me personally attacking you and then putting a smiley face after my comments. It doesn't change the facts. If you recall, in Bonds 2002 speech, he refered to Colin Powell and Condelezza Rice as the "House Niggers". I challenge anyone to provide any proof that either are Ultra-Right Wingers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #14 July 13, 2004 QuoteCheck out this ass Bond. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/12/naacp.bush/index.html Republicans playing the race card? And these a-holes wonder why GWB won't come and speak to their organization? Not unexpected, but disgusting nonetheless. What a dumbass. If He believes that the Bush Administration "preaches neutrality and practices racial division", what's so wrong about the chairman of the NAACP being vocal about his opinion? There's a lot of very intelligent people in this country who do not agree with the Bush Administration's short history in office, nor the direction that they see the Administration leading the country. Perhaps they think that Bush doing and saying one thing as a candidate, and another thing as the President is unacceptable. To say that any one of them is a dumbass is a little bit ridiculous, and to say that it's disgusting is totally uncalled for... it's called freedom of speech, and they are entitled to it too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #15 July 13, 2004 Freedom of speech is encouraged. Freedom to lie without repurcussion - not. This ass Bond claimed Republicans play the race card. Ha! Tell me when. I want to know. Really, I do. Practicing neutrality and encouraging racial division? I think not. The NAACP can look in the mirror to see that - the racial division part at any rate because they are ANYTHING but neutral. GWB wants to repeal the 14th ammendment? Anyone who believes that is so stupid they shouldn't vote. What's REALLY funny is these buffoons Bash GWB over and over and over again then act outraged when he declines their invitation to speak. Freedom of Speech - yes, he's entitled to tell those lies. I'm entitled to call him a lying liberal - which is exactly what he is. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #16 July 13, 2004 All that is on that link is a summary of a program. Nothing else. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #17 July 13, 2004 QuoteAll that is on that link is a summary of a program. Nothing else. There was a link to the audio of the program. 4.95 for the transcript. Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #18 July 13, 2004 Bond can give a speech for 30 minutes and say absolutely nothing. His rhetoric is designed so he can't be pinned to any specific complaint. Just read some of the things he says and you will agree. How does the GOP "play the race card in election after election?" QuoteThe party appeals "to the dark underside of American culture, to the minority of Americans who reject democracy and equality," Bond said. "They preach neutrality and practice racial division." How do they do this? Why isn't he specific? QuoteAt the 2001 convention, which was held before the September 11 attacks, Bond sharply criticized some of Bush's political appointments, saying that he "selected nominees from the Taliban wing of American politics, appeased the wretched appetites of the extreme right wing and chosen Cabinet officials whose devotion to the Confederacy is nearly canine in its uncritical affection." More inflamatory hateful rhetoric with no basis in fact or reality. QuoteNational security adviser Condoleezza Rice defended Bush's record Monday as "impeccable on civil rights, impeccable on the interests of African-Americans, and I'm quite comfortable with his decision." She told CNN the "No Child Left Behind" act, an overhaul of public education that Bush signed into law in 2001, challenges the "soft bigotry" of low expectations for black children. (Interactive: The 'No Child Left Behind' Act of 2001) Rice noted that Bush has appointed blacks "to some of the highest positions in this government to which they've ever been appointed." Rice is black, as is Secretary of State Colin Powell. But of course these are just "House Niggers" according to Bond and they are only in these positions because the "Ultra Right Wing" put them there to appease Blacks. This is an insult of the Nth degree to Powell and Rice. Can you give me one good reason why Bond would make such a statement if it wasn't to be inflamatory? QuoteNAACP President Kweisi Mfume told reporters he has reached out to Bush numerous times in hopes of meeting with him. "The president never wrote me back," he said. "I always got a letter from someone else in the White House stating his schedule did not permit such a meeting and they would get back with me ... and they never did. "Two days ago, President Bush made his 30th visit to Pennsylvania. ... Yet he couldn't come to Pennsylvania to speak to us," Mfume said. Can you blame Bush? They aren't going to recommend that Blacks vote for him anyway. Why does Bush need to go through the NAACP filter to reach Blacks? Quote"They've tried to patch the leaky economy -- and every other domestic problem -- with duct tape and plastic sheets, " Bond said. "They write a new constitution for Iraq and ignore the Constitution here at home. Gee, last I checked, the economy was doing pretty good. Notice he gives no specifics, just rhetoric. QuoteSome black voters reported being stopped by police near polling sites or being asked for multiple forms of identification while white voters were not. Government investigations reported no evidence supporting the allegations. "We must guarantee the irregularities, suppression, nullification, and outright theft of black votes that happened on Election Day 2000 never, ever happen again," Bond said. Errr.. Julian, the government investigation said it never did happen. Don't you think with all the publicity it got that if there was any truth to your allegation, it would have come out? More distortions and outright lies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #19 July 14, 2004 QuoteWhat exactly is disgusting about a political activisim group endorsing a candidate other than that it's not your candidate? Well, let's start by questioning the legitimacy of their claims that Bush doesn't care about blacks when he has a black National Security Advisor... They do claim, after all, that he doesn't appoint blacks to high administrative positions. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #20 July 14, 2004 What does that have to do with my question? Are you saying it's disgusting that they don't endorse him because he has a black NSA? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #21 July 18, 2004 QuoteWhat exactly is disgusting about a political activisim group endorsing a candidate other than that it's not your candidate? --PhillyKev They didn't endorse a candidate, they bashed Bush, so they technically didn't do anything wrong. Quote --PhillyKev ***But there are plenty of right wing organizations doing the same thing. No names given for these organizations!? Shouldn't be so hard considering there are "plenty" of them. QuoteNot fair to single them out and not all the others. Pure Bullshit. (Plus, you didn't name any. Why should he!?) FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #22 July 18, 2004 This makes a nice addendum: When asked "Why should people be moral?".... PhillyKev:Quote 1. Respect for other people. That's it. When Skybytch complained about customers being rude and not refolding the shirts they pull from the shelves to size up... PhillyKev:QuoteYou know what...if I go into a high end store to buy $200 shirts, you're damn right I'm not going to waste my time refolding the clothes. If you're paying a premium you should get service for it. " But let's not rush to judgment...he also adds: QuoteI shop where the sales people make commission. I find the hottest chick working the floor." Hmm..."Respect for other people, unless I pay to disregard it, and mixed in with a bit of misogyny." Cheers to the New Left! FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #23 July 18, 2004 As much as the NAACP often gets on my nerves, along with other such groups, they seem to play a pretty important role. I'm glad they exist. As far as the bashing....heck is it bashing if they're right? It's hard to find a way to deny it. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #24 July 18, 2004 Nope - Bond can prove none of what he said.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
