Ever been in a real knife fight and NOT been cut?

[Tonto 1]

Please don't turn this into a "guns are better than knives" thread. I think they both have their applications.

We're talking knives and swords only, and being cut includes "just a scratch."

Being stabbed, or having stabbed someone doesn't count as a fight. I'm talking 2 people with knives facing each other here. I'm not interested in who won. I take survival as having won.

t

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[Lindsey 0]

You're not speaking metaphorically, then...

Then I'm happy to say that a knife fight is something I've never experienced...lol.

Lindsey

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[D22369 0]

a knife fight only requires one of the participants to actually have a knife.......
yep, been in one, yep took the knife away...yep, got cut..... gotta grab the wrist...not the blade... didnt even know I had been cut till it was over, then I was wondering where in the hell this blood was coming from....... sharp pointy things hurt..... and require stitches

(edit).....its really hard to get in a knife fight with someone who knows how to use one and not get cut...

Roy

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[tunaplanet 0]

Everyone in a knife fight gets cut. Period.

Forty-two

[Tonto 1]

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Everyone in a knife fight gets cut. Period.

Not according to the poll... It's a pity they won't tell us how they did it..

I can't see how you can't get cut, and consider forearms a sacrificial component - and guessing you'll have time to plug before you bleed out. Obviously, some care needs to be taken to protect your neck, inner arms and inner thighs, as they're high mortality areas.

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[Nightingale 0]

I can tell you how my karate instructor did it...

ignore the knife the moron is tossing from hand to hand trying to intimidate you, and just hit him in the jaw instead.

[Tonto 1]

Mmm. But I think we both know we're dealing with someone who had watched too many movies here.
If you're engaged in a weapon dependant disipline - you cannot aford to lose control of the weapon. While it's traveling from hand to hand - you're completely committed - and that's never a good place to be unless the odds are in your favour.

It's true that most people focus on the weapon and not the fight. I've seen a baton used this way often. It's offered, grabbed, and hung on to even as they're having the shit beaten out of them by your open alternatives. I don't think the weapon should be ignored though. Got to keep a balance, I think.

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[Gawain 0]

Does fencing count (foils, sabres, and epees)?

If so, then plenty of sword fights and no cuts, but got some bruises and sore muscles.

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[Tonto 1]

No. That's sport.

There are some chinese weapons forms that can be quite brutal since no padding is worn, but the weapons have no edge. They still split you it they hit you on a bone though.

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[mardigrasbob 0]

Does a corkscrew count as a knife?








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[Nightingale 0]

a lot of punks who walk around with knives have no clue how to use them. You need to react differently to a trained knife fighter than you do an ameteur who doesn't have any idea what they're doing.

Had it been a trained fighter, my instructor probably would've been cut.

I was taught that in a knife fight, you're probably going to get cut, so expect it... just don't let your opponent choose where to cut you.

[beowulf 1]

the closest I ever came to being in a knife fight is my little brother was really frustrated while trying to fight me so he grabbed a kitchen knife and came running at me. So I threw a blanket that happened to be near by, over him and shoved him into a wall.
He has always had a real bad temper. Other then that thankfully I have never been in a knife fight and hope I never have to.

[livendive 8]

Been in a knife fight, didn't get cut. After-hours party in a hotel room, a guy pulls a knife on me for laughing at him. He was fairly drunk, so when he lunged I was able to sidestep behind him, force him onto the bed face down, then pull his arm up behind him till he relinquished the knife. I folded the knife up and put it in my pocket as a "party favor" and threw the guy out.

Funny part of the story. Cops showed up about 20 minutes later looking for the knife. We told them we didn't know where it was, that we thought it had been in the guy's back pocket when we tossed him. Meanwhile we're wondering how the hell these guys even know about this incident. Well it turns out this idiot had gone down to the hotel lobby and called the cops and told them the TRUTH! To paraphrase "This guy laughed at me so I committed assault with a deadly weapon. It didn't work and I would like you to retrieve my weapon for me." Their reaction to his honesty was predictable, in that they had him cuffed and under arrest in the back of the cop car before they even came up to the room.

Not so funny part of the story. The guy made bail the next day. Him and the cops showed up at my work (a fairly rough bar) a couple times during the week looking for me, but each time I wasn't there. Both parties (guy and cops) wanted the knife. Finally the cops caught me there the next Friday night and said "We know you've got the knife, we'd like to let you keep it, but that's not an option anymore. We mean it." It turned out the guy had used the knife on someone else the night before he pulled it on me, and that person had subsequently died. I called my roommate, told him to bring the knife down, and turned it over. The guy was convicted of some sort of death-causing crime (I don't know if it was murder or manslaughter) and went away for quite some time.

Blues,
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[gmanpilot 0]

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Been in a knife fight, didn't get cut.....He was fairly drunk, so when he lunged I was able to sidestep behind him

I'm not trying to minimize what happened to you, but that was not really a knife *fight*, just like a fisted scuffle with a drunk is a not really a *fight*, it's more like propaganda. If someone who is sober and has even a modicum of coordination and truly wants to cut or stab you, you are going to get cut or stabbed.

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[SpeedRacer 1]

sounds like you did the right thing IMHO. but maybe you could have returned the knife the first time they asked for it, after all, it was evidence and the police would need it to prosecute this guy for attacking you (even if that other, earlier attack hadn't happened)

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[livendive 8]

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Been in a knife fight, didn't get cut.....He was fairly drunk, so when he lunged I was able to sidestep behind him

I'm not trying to minimize what happened to you, but that was not really a knife *fight*, just like a fisted scuffle with a drunk is a not really a *fight*, it's more like propaganda. If someone who is sober and has even a modicum of coordination and truly wants to cut or stab you, you are going to get cut or stabbed.

I'll agree that my experience wasn't really a "fight" and I'll agree with your last sentence if the fight's already on. However with two sober combatants, the element of surprize might be enough to similarly disarm someone. In my life experience, I've found two things that really help in fights. A) taking it to them before they expect me to and B) owning the ground (wrestling/grappling experience). When facing an armed opponent, the first may still save you. It did for me in the above knife incident, in a separate gun incident, and in a couple cases where I was simply out-manned.

Blues,
Dave

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[LouDiamond 1]

This is kind of a misleading way to get an idea of what is going to happen in a knife fight or prove a point. As somone who regularly trains at a minimim of once a week with my team, specifically at knife fighting, I will tell you everyone gets cut. When two trained people square off with one another there is a high probability that both will end up cut before a fatal strike is delivered. There are the occassions where a guy will get the better of another and deliver a fatal strike before he himself is cut. However, a trained person against an untrained person has a better chance of not being cut but it's no guarentee by any means and I wouldn't bet on it. I have studied with people who proclaim that the old adage is wrong and their style or mentality will prevent you from being cut, I don't buy it. No one WANTS to get cut in a knife fight but not even dealing/recognizing the possibility that you MIGHT get cut in a knife fight is unrealistic. When a knife is pulled out it is to end the situation as quickly as possible, usually with a fatal strike. Also take into consideration that most knife fights are over in as little as 10 seconds and at most 30 seconds.

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[livendive 8]

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sounds like you did the right thing IMHO. but maybe you could have returned the knife the first time they asked for it, after all, it was evidence and the police would need it to prosecute this guy for attacking you (even if that other, earlier attack hadn't happened)

You're probably right. I was trying to stick to a rule I've set for myself, that being "Any weapons pulled in a fight become the sole property of the victor." It was a very nice knife and I wanted to keep it, but in hindsight I probably should have turned it over when first asked.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[crutch 0]

Yea, my stupid brother got us into a fight with a guy weilding a knife. We were lucky, couple minor cuts on our arms before we got the situation under control. Lesson learned, don't go out drinking with a stupid brother!

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[GravityGirl 0]

I don't know if you would call it a fight, but I have tried to disarm someone with a knife and got cut. Just a flesh wound though!

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[Deuce 1]

I taser'd a guy with a box knife once. Knife fighting is astoundingly stupid. I have also convinced at least two, I forget sometimes, guys with knives to desist at the point of my pistol.

There is a GREAT police training tape out there about knife fighting that resulted in tons of folks with knives getting shot by cops. If somebody has a drawn knife out, and attacks a cop with a holstered pistol from 20 feet, and the knife fighter knows his shit, the cop gets fatally wounded every time.

Basically, never bring a knife to a gunfight.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Does a corkscrew count as a knife?

Homer Simpson: "Does liquor count as beer?"


I am surprised that there are ten poll respondents who say they've been in at least one knife fight, period!

Not me.

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-Jeffrey
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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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There is a GREAT police training tape out there about knife fighting that resulted in tons of folks with knives getting shot by cops. If somebody has a drawn knife out, and attacks a cop with a holstered pistol from 20 feet, and the knife fighter knows his shit, the cop gets fatally wounded every time.

Basically, never bring a knife to a gunfight.

Massad Ayoob uses that very scenario in defending people who have righteously used a firearm in self defense against a knife-wielding attacker. There's more to the story, though. He goes into court, and has someone hold a dummy knife, and has someone else try to draw a dummy gun from a holster. Distance, 21 feet, I believe (that magic threshold). The kicker -- the knife-wielder is PRONE on his stomach when they yell "GO!" He gets up, charges the gun-person, and still wins the race. Reliably.

Oh, and knife wounds are clinically much less survivable than gunshot wounds, according to what I've read.

Not to mention knives never run out of ammunition, so they're lethal as long as they remain present.

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-Jeffrey
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[tunaplanet 0]

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I am surprised that there are ten poll respondents who say they've been in at least one knife fight

Don't believe everything people post on the net.

Forty-two

[tunaplanet 0]

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You need to react differently to a trained knife fighter than you do an ameteur who doesn't have any idea what they're doing.

This is one of the most incorrect statement that has been posted yet on these boards.

Forty-two